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Music industry wants info on Canadian file swappers
"The Canadian Recording Industry Association has kicked off what promises to be a lengthy battle against online music sharing, and the first hurdle may be the most difficult to clear.
The CRIA has asked a number of Internet service providers to hand over contact information for customers it suspects of "egregious" uploading of music files. But at least one of those companies, Calgary-based Shaw Communications, says it intends to oppose the CRIA, citing new federal privacy laws that protect its customers.
"We're absolutely compelled under the privacy act not to provide that information," Shaw Communications president Peter Bissonnette told The Globe and Mail.
Arguments in the case begin Monday at a federal court in Toronto.
Working on behalf of major record labels, the CRIA is reportedly hunting for 29 Canadian customers from at least five different ISPs, including Shaw, Telus Corp., Rogers Cable, Bell Canada's Sympatico service and Quebec's Videotron.
So far, Shaw is the only ISP to openly oppose the CRIA's request. The company provides high-speed Internet service to about 900,000 Canadians.
Record labels contend that online file sharing violates copyright law and has hurt sales of albums and singles. Supporters of it say it stimulates demand for music and say the industry is to blame for falling sales.
The CRIA's search follows the lead of the Recording Industry Association of America, which has sued some 400 individuals in the United States. On both sides of the border, the recording industry is targeting computer users who upload musical files, not those who download songs.
In December, a California court ruled that the recording industry could not force ISPs to identify customers unless it launched a formal lawsuit and obtained a subpoena.
Such a ruling might be considered by a Canadian judge, but would not be a binding precedent.
There are also doubts about whether lawsuits against file sharers will be successful here, since Canadian laws on reproducing music for personal use differ from those in the United States.
For example, it has been legal in Canada since 1998 to make a single copy of a recording for personal use, such as copying a CD onto your hard drive or MP3 player. But the practice is illegal in the U.S.
But under the Copyright Act, it remains illegal to give or sell a CD copy to a friend, since it's not for personal use. In the same vein, distributing copies to friends online is prohibited.
Each of the ISPs involved in the case have reacted differently to the CRIA's request.
While Shaw is adamantly opposed, Telus says it plans to ask for an adjournment while Rogers remains undecided on a course of action.
Videotron is in a unique position because its parent company, Quebecor, also sells music, Videotron says it is concerned about copyright protection and considers file sharing to be "theft."
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1076683398081_54/?hub=SciTech
User Comments
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CodeWarrior
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 1:41 PM
The ARIA raids Kazaa/Sharman...
and now the CRIA does this...
waiting on the third shoe to drop...
negative things happen in 3s..
what's the RIAA gonna do next? |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 1:44 PM
actually, it was the MIPI that did the raid, but apparently, the ARIA wasn't upset it happened. |
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hawk7771
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 1:51 PM
How can we have the courts subpoena the music industries to prove that they lost money from downloading? |
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Bufo
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 2:08 PM
"For example, it has been legal in Canada since 1998 to make a single copy of a recording for personal use, such as copying a CD onto your hard drive or MP3 player. But the practice is illegal in the U.S."
It is illegal in the US to make a single copy of a CD for personal use? Wow!
In that case, MP3 players should have been made illegal all along here in the US.
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gdZiemann
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 2:09 PM
hahaha
You must be joking, hawk. When you're always the plaintiff, you never have to prove anything. It's those evil 12-year-olds that are under scrutiny.
They're the ones with explaining to do. |
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fjones987
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 2:40 PM
"You must be joking, hawk. When you're always the plaintiff, you never have to prove anything. It's those evil 12-year-olds that are under scrutiny."
There's something called a counter-suit, in which you can allege that the plaintiff instead should pay you money... hell the RIAA should be paying all the people it attempts to sue money anyways, but they've yet to go to court... |
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LXI
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 2:41 PM
Ya you have to watch those 12-year-olds they are a crafty bunch |
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hawk7771
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 3:05 PM
gdZiemann plaintiff in this case LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEssssssssssssss. The Copyright Cartel should be charged under the Ricco Act. Yes it was some what of a joke. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 3:13 PM
I believe suing 12 year olds is exploitative and child abusive |
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pepe512000
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 3:20 PM
They are seeking 29 people.WOW! LOL. Thats Canadians for ya. There are over 20,000,000 people in Canada, while I don't imagine close to that are up or down loading, it's still going to be fun for the CRIA
Glad to see my service provider is abstaining, adamantly. We have it in black and white, if any outside party in ANY capacity, wishes to see our records, they have to ask the customer first. I'd just say NO ~~pepe~~ |
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captdunsel
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 3:36 PM
"I believe suing 12 year olds is exploitative and child abusive"
well it should be anyway but as long as there is money involved it will be ok |
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purfus
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 8:45 PM
I still don't understand how a firm can claim to be loosing money when they gain revenue fast than inflation every year.... |
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INeedAlover
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 9:16 PM
purfus
Simple, because they pay themselves RIDICULOUS amounts in salary they don't deserve. They are suing because they don't want to have to stop buying a new Mercedes every year. |
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MadMax2003
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Date: February 13, 2004 @ 11:41 PM
I'm Canadian and use Rodgers Cable, if I hear of them giving up infomation on any of their customers to the CRIA, I'll be cancelling account immediately, and switching to some other service.
I'd like to see all Canadians stop purchasing any Music that supports the CRIA, RIAA or any other group of similar persuasion.
Just stop buying new CDs, if you must buy, buy second hand. |
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stilltrying
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Date: February 14, 2004 @ 1:17 AM
MadMax2003 We here in the States are with you man BOYCOTT the rotten SOBs |
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figfarmer
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Date: February 14, 2004 @ 1:58 AM
And next they'll kick off a campaign against people who drive on the right side of the road no doubt. It's freakin' legal here. |
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screwthecria
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Date: February 14, 2004 @ 9:18 AM
I'm with you all the way MadMax 2003.
I'm sending a letter to Rogers today (I'm also a customer), warning them of the consequences of ignoring the Federal Privacy Act. If any one has any arguments that I could use to bolster my case, please post them. |
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