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When copyright law meets the 'mash-up'
Los Angeles Times
Sunday, March 21, 2004
Sunday Calendar; Calendar Desk
POP MUSIC; When copyright law meets the 'mash-up'; Sampling has spawned new art forms and a complex battle over how to treat them. Jon Healey and Richard Cromelin
Times Staff Writers
Record producer Brian Burton knew he'd done something technically illegal when he electronically blended tracks from the Beatles' "White Album" and vocals from Jay-Z's "The Black Album" into a CD called "The Grey Album." But he was so excited by the mix of Fab Four riffs and Jay-Z raps that he badly wanted people to hear it. "When I was finished, it was the biggest sense of accomplishment I've had over anything," he said. So in January, the Los Angeles-based Burton, who records as DJ Danger Mouse, made a couple of thousand copies of the disc and started mailing them out.
His wish to be heard has come true many times over, although not in the way he expected. On Feb. 10 the Beatles' record company, EMI Music, stopped Burton
from distributing "The Grey Album." That action triggered an online revolt that led tens of thousands of people to download digital copies of the CD, generating enough buzz to draw reviews from such mainstream outlets as CNN.
EMI's move against Danger Mouse was a spectacular backfire in the war over
what's fair when the muse runs afoul of copyright law in the Digital Age.
Technology is making it easier than ever to sample and rework recordings, and
to the chagrin of entertainment companies and some artists who hold copyrights,
the public is showing little sympathy for their efforts to control original
works.
Fred E. Goldring, a Beverly Hills-based music-industry lawyer, likened EMI's
response to "The Grey Album" to the major labels' earlier mishandling of the
Napster file-sharing service. "By creating a controversy and trying to shut it
down, they actually attracted more interest in it," Goldring says. "They
created their own hell." He adds, "It became probably the most widely
downloaded, underground indie record, without radio or TV coverage, ever. I
think it's a watershed event."
That's the dilemma faced by entertainment companies and other copyright holders
in a sampling, file-sharing world. The law may be black and white, but among
artists and audiences, the creative landscape has been remixed in shades of
gray.
A landmark skirmish
The main force behind the online release of Burton's album was a loosely
organized confederation of websites and online activists who believe copyright
holders in general, and the major record labels in particular, have gone too
far in trying to enforce their rights.
To them, "The Grey Album" epitomized how new digital tools allow artists to
build on earlier works in unexpected ways, enriching society by turning old
creations into new ones -- this time by using the originals as raw material,
not just inspiration.
It's not in the public interest to hold back that kind of creativity, argued
the free-"The Grey Album" forces. So despite threats from EMI's lawyers, they
recruited more than 150 websites to offer downloadable versions of the work on
Feb. 24 as part of a protest called Grey Tuesday.
It was a landmark skirmish in a battle that dates to the mid-'80s, when digital
recorders, or "samplers," found their way into studios. Soon hip-hop artists
were routinely borrowing snippets of sounds from LPs without seeking permission
from the artists who recorded them or from their labels.
Those freewheeling days didn't last long. Objections from R&B giant James
Brown, among others, forced some samplers to pay for the material they used.
Then, in 1991, a federal judge in New York staggered the sampling world by
granting British songwriter Raymond "Gilbert" O'Sullivan's request for an
injunction against rapper Biz Markie, who had built a song around samples from
O'Sullivan's biggest U.S. hit, "Alone Again (Naturally)."
Not only did U.S. District Judge Kevin Thomas Duffy order the rapper's label to
reclaim and destroy every unsold copy of the offending record, but he also
referred the case to the U.S. attorney's office for possible prosecution. Biz
Markie wasn't hauled back into court, but Duffy had sent a clear -- and
chilling -- message to everyone in the field.
Today, most copyright experts say that the rule on sampling is pretty clear.
With limited exceptions, artists can't use a recognizable sample from someone
else's recording unless the copyright holder grants permission. The copyright
holder is in the driver's seat, able to set the price for a sample (ranging
from a few hundred dollars to a share of the revenue from the song) or to
withhold permission entirely.
The Beatles, for one, have never given their approval to any sampling requests.
Jay-Z, on the other hand, doesn't seem to mind. He released a vocals-only
version of "The Black Album," which was widely viewed as an open invitation to
people like Burton to use his work. (The Beatles did not respond to requests
for comment on "The Grey Album." Jay-Z was not available but said through a
representative, "I applaud creativity in any form.")
As Grey Tuesday organizers see it, the law gives copyright owners too much
control, in part because getting permission to sample an existing work is
rarely as simple as one artist calling another and asking. They tend to peg the
artists' record labels as the bad guys and unsung musicians as the victims.
"Sampling is something that's been sort of made illegal by the major labels
over the last decade and a half," says Nicholas Reville, co-founder of Downhill
Battle, an independent-music advocacy group based in Worcester, Mass., that
spearheaded efforts to distribute Burton's work.
"It sounds hyperbolic, but they really have banned an art form from the
mainstream. This wasn't about getting whatever album for free just to defy the
major labels, it was about making sure that they weren't able to censor this
work of art and about [demonstrating] why there needs to be a reasonable and
practical sampling right."
"Reasonable" and "practical," though, are somewhat in the eye of the beholder.
Ask Dexter Holland, the lead singer of the Offspring, how he'd feel if someone
mixed his band's hit album "Smash" with, say, Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde," and
he says: "Honestly, I'd be flattered. I would think that would be a good thing.
That's a tough line, like exactly how can you control your music in all ways
and all respects?"
Of course, if someone sold that remix, "that would be a different story," the
Huntington Beach-based musician says. "But in terms of just having it, putting
it up for people to listen to, I think that's totally fine."
Then there's L.A.-based Chris Carter, whose band Dramarama has heard its song
"Anything, Anything" mashed up with Pink's "Get the Party Started."
"I think it's extremely clever," he says of "The Grey Album." His concern is
over potential commercial release of such works. "It's the Beatles'
musicianship, songwriting and performing that you're benefiting from. It's the
actual recording. That's what they own. They own the masters. You can't take
something someone else owns."
Carter, who also hosts the "Breakfast With the Beatles" radio show Sunday
mornings on KLSX-FM (97.1), doesn't buy the argument that intellectual property
falls into a different, less protected category from "real" property such as a
car or a house.
"It's real property. A master tape, I could hit you over the head with it. It
would hurt."
But inhibiting creators like Burton would hurt the public more, argues Creative
Commons, which is supplying some of the intellectual firepower behind the pro-
sampling forces. The group of copyright and technology experts says its mission
is "to build a layer of reasonable, flexible copyright" in what it sees as an
increasingly restrictive environment.
Board member Lawrence Lessig, a Stanford law professor, says the group is
trying to develop a "sampling license" that recording artists could use to tell
other musicians that their works could be sampled. The inspiration, he says,
came from noted Brazilian singer and songwriter Gilberto Gil, who wanted other
artists to be able to sample his songs for free.
Sampling licenses, though, would require the labels to play along. And so far,
Lessig says, they've resisted allowing their artists to give permission for
sampling. The labels often say they're trying to protect their artists when
they sue file-sharing networks and their users for infringement, so, Lessig
says, "If their artists say, 'OK, fine, I'm happy to have other people remixing
my work,' they ought to respect that too."
Bowie chimes in
One reason artists may want to keep White Albums from being mashed into Grey
ones is concern about the integrity of their works.
"Taking it to extremes," says the Offspring's Holland, "what if someone took
one of your records and put Adolf Hitler over it -- something you don't believe
in and despise? If you really think about it, if you're OK with it one way,
you've got to be OK with it always. I think that's part of what free speech is
in America. It'd be a bummer, though."
David Bowie, whose records are popular material among Internet music-mashers
and mixers, says he reserves the right of refusal because of just such a
possibility.
"I would always give the artist the chance to present to me what he wishes to
do," says the veteran rock star by e-mail. "I would not give permission if I
felt the work to be morally or politically repugnant. I would expect to be
compensated for the work used. Outside of that, I'm fairly easygoing, as long
as there's some kind of communication between the artist and myself. I think
that is the important part."
To some copyright experts, "The Grey Album's" online release was a direct
attack on artists and their moral rights as creators. The "moral rights"
concept, which is strongest in Europe, holds that artists should have the power
to stop their work from being altered or reused in ways that affect their
reputations. Under this view, even if the Beatles sell their copyrights to EMI,
they still have a moral right to protect the integrity of their recordings.
Russell G. Weiss, a copyright-law expert at Morrison & Foerster in Los Angeles,
says the concept of moral rights is rarely applied in the U.S. to music. Still,
he says, the idea of uncontrolled sampling doesn't gibe with the original
purpose of American copyright law, which was "to encourage people to take the
time and energy to make creative works" by enabling them to benefit from their
work's commercial success. Forcing copyright holders to allow others to sample
and transform their work reduces the incentive to create, he argues.
Samplers are "kind of trading on someone else's property," Weiss says. "You
shouldn't be forced to allow someone to transform your work.... You might not
want to give other people that leg up, because you worked so long and hard."
The pro-sampling forces retort that artists have been building on their
predecessors' efforts for centuries. In a sense, "creativity is about standing
on the shoulders of giants in ways that we haven't before," said John Palfrey,
executive director of the Harvard Law School Berkman Center for Internet &
Society.
"I don't see why that's so different than the Beatles listening to a Chuck
Berry song or trying to cop a certain vibe of someone else's sound and put it
through their filter to create their new sound," says record producer Rick
Rubin, whose original, sample-based backing track on Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was
replaced by a "Helter Skelter" sample on "The Grey Album." (Rubin says he loves
the result.)
Given how technology is changing the way the public interacts with art and
enabling more people to be creators, Palfrey said, sampling-fueled works
"shouldn't be stopped by a set of legal doctrines that no longer make sense."
Should Bowie and Holland be able to stop a sampler from using their recordings
in a way they find repugnant? Sure, Palfrey says -- but not by using copyright
law. Instead, he said, they can rely on other legal doctrines to protect their
reputations and their brands.
Goldring disagrees, but he's pragmatic about sampling.
"Artists should have the absolute right to control their work," he says. "The
problem is, how do you control that in the new world? The argument is, all of
the fundamentals of copyright law are sound, and all of the fundamentals of
copyright law should be enforced to protect artists' rights. Absolutely. [But]
what does that mean in a world where everything can be digitized and
transmitted around the world at the push of a button?"
'Mash-ups' in the mainstream
Fueled by the digital power of the Internet, "mash-ups" like Burton's are
making their way into the mainstream, and so are protests against the record
companies trying to prevent them.
An unauthorized mash-up of Nelly's "Work It" and AC/DC's "Back in Black" that
circulated online is in the regular rotation at KIIS-FM, the most listened-to
station in Los Angeles. And two other Southern California outlets, KDLD-FM in
Santa Monica and KDLE-FM in Newport Beach, have aired mash-ups by Go Home
Productions that blend the Sex Pistols with Madonna.
"It's all heating up," says Mark Vidler of Watford, England, the man behind Go
Home Productions. The field is becoming so popular, he says, a growing number
of record companies have come calling with authorized mash-up proj- ects.
Downhill Battle's Reville estimates that more than 100,000 copies of "The Grey
Album" were downloaded on Feb. 24 alone. That's a remarkable number if it's
accurate, but there's no way to know because of limited record-keeping by the
Grey Tuesday participants. Eric Garland, chief executive of Big Champagne, a
firm that monitors file-sharing networks, says that on Feb. 24 "The Grey
Album" "was on a short list of the most popular records, period."
Five years ago, widespread acts of civil disobedience against EMI and the
Recording Industry Assn. of America because of the way they enforced copyrights
would have been inconceivable, says Lessig of Creative Commons. "This is how
far the RIAA has pushed the world by its own extreme behavior."
Downhill Battle is still considering its next move, Reville says. A spokeswoman
for EMI, meanwhile, would say only that the company intends "to protect our
artistic content related to this matter to the fullest extent of the law." And
EMI is no longer alone in the fight. Sony/ATV Music Publishing, which controls
the Beatles' songwriting copyrights, has asked at least one Internet service
provider to disconnect a website offering "The Grey Album." The site --
illegal-art.org -- switched Internet providers, got a lawyer and went back
online.
Weiss of Morrison & Foerster said EMI doesn't have much choice. "The
alternative to not pursuing your legal remedies is no one's going to be afraid
to infringe," he says. If EMI sues and wins, he adds, "the message that you'll
see is, A, you don't do this, and B, if a cease-and-desist is sent, you better
[stop] right away."
In the meantime, the pro-sampling forces continue to press their case at the
grass-roots.
A group aligned with Downhill Battle has compiled "The Jay-Z Construction Set,"
offering musicians a primer on how to make mash-ups on their home computers.
The set, which includes "The Grey Album" and other remixes of Jay-Z's work, is
circulating through file-sharing networks.
"What these technologies are making possible is a new form of expression that
is not going to be able to be contained by something as simple as the law and
enforcement of the law," says Palfrey of Harvard.
He favors allowing works to be sampled while ensuring that the original creator
gets paid. The law won't change, though, unless people believe they have a
stake in what might otherwise seem to be an arcane legal fight.
"The only way this is going to work is if people get a sense for why it
matters," Palfrey says. "Real art is being created here."
If so, it's art being created in uncharted territory.
"A one-off, isolated thing like 'The Grey Album,' yeah, it's interesting,"
Carter says. "But I think we're going to be getting a lot of it. You're going
to get 'The Dark Side of the Moon' album put together with this, 'Sandinista'
with Bob Marley. It's gonna be crazy. I think it's gonna get out of control."
Bowie has observed parallel conflicts played out and resolved, to some degree,
in the world of visual art, where appropriation of one artist's pictorial image
by another has led to litigation involving such major names as Robert
Rauschenberg and Helmut Newton. He's more philosophical. "It will all slowly sort itself out into some kind of workable mess," he says, "but will continue to be a gray area for years to come. But that is life, isn't it?"
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User Comments
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 10:16 AM
Grey Tuesday so far has been exceedingly sucsessfull at drawing attention to these issues even though, at first, I thought it was nothing more than a marketing stunt by Jay-Z and/or Dangermouse. Secondly, after some thought, it became apparent to me that it was something even MORE insidious than having our sites being used for the promotion of RIAA artists... I thought it was a trap being layed by the RIAA to shut up many of the anti-record industry voices by shutting them down for blatent copyright infringement. But so far, (if that was really what was going on,) it seems to have backfired ...and I am as pleased as punch.
I am not against "mash-ups" and other derivitives of copyrighted works at all. It is another form of art creativity. Lessig is right in that nothing is created in a vaccum anyway. The copyright holder of the original work should not have the strength of copyright law to kill off new creations at a whim just because they are built upon the original.
However,
In light of the tragic fire that killed all those club-goers last year, I do see something wrong with that label in Italy making money by insensitively putting out recordings of Great White with the title "Burning House of Love" without the artists' permission.
So, to what extent should we allow a copyright holder to control the "fate" of their work? I, for one, believe that if any money is to be made from the work, be it the original or a derivitive, the copyright holder should have a say-so. But if the product is NOT for profit, and no money is being made directly from it, the copyright holder has NO say-so.
It hinges on the $$$. Free speech outweighs copyrights in my book.
For example, sharing tunes (with or without copyright holder's consent) for free via p2p is a form of free speech. Mass producing and selling a CD of those tunes without the copyright holder's permission is wrongful infringement.
Of course, what is RIGHT about these matters does not nessesarily jive with current copyright laws. We need to re-vamp those laws in a way that harmonizes with the intent of our founding fathers and reflects the true purpose of copyright laws. By nature, an idea is something that can not be "owned" once it is set loose. The only true way to keep an idea "owned" is to never tell anyone. We have copyright law for the purpose of providing an incentive (financial) to creators so they will create and make those works available to the rest of us. Copyright was NOT supposed to give complete control forever and ever. It was NOT supposed to make intellectual works into "property."
This is an EXCELLENT opportunity to discuss these fundimental issues.
Again, I am so glad my doubts and fears about the whole Grey Tuesday thing have
thus far been unfounded.
Shmoo, of Electric Gypsy
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Bufo
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 10:19 AM
No offense to the Beatles' desires, but I think their music should already be in the public domain by now. If we had the 14 yr plus 14 yr rule, then I believe all of their works would be in the public domain.
This would not be the case with Jay-Z, of course, but he doesn't seem to mind. I suspect he would have no problem granting permission to Danger Mouse, provided he owns the copyrights to his own music.
BTW, does Jay-Z own the copyrights to his own music? |
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sooperjeenyus
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 10:23 AM
"For example, sharing tunes (with or without copyright holder's consent) for free via p2p is a form of free speech. Mass producing and selling a CD of those tunes without the copyright holder's permission is wrongful infringement"
But the RIAA would have you believe under some sort of law (maybe code can help), that by file-sharing, we are robbing the artists of POTENTIAL sales, therefore damaging thier salary, in essence "stealing" money from the label and artist.
I agree with you Shmoo. I think that any creative license taken with a work should be the creators. A remix is the work of the creator, not really the artist.
DJs have been sampling and mixing for years, taking a song, putting a different beat in the background, thereby composing a whole different song. |
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 10:24 AM
7 + 7 would be better, but I can live with 14 + 14 if I must.
As long as we are dreaming about what changes and revisions should be made, let's add that a copyright is non-transferable to anyone besides the creator unless the creator gives it to the public domain. In other words, you live with your own mess.
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 10:35 AM
"---Of course, if someone sold that remix, "that would be a different story," the
Huntington Beach-based musician says. "But in terms of just having it, putting
it up for people to listen to, I think that's totally fine." and
"Taking it to extremes," says the Offspring's Holland, "what if someone took
one of your records and put Adolf Hitler over it -- something you don't believe
in and despise? If you really think about it, if you're OK with it one way,
you've got to be OK with it always. I think that's part of what free speech is
in America. It'd be a bummer, though."---"
Is it done for money or not should be the determining factor.
Just thought that needed emphasised again.
Shmoo
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dave109100
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 10:59 AM
They actually play this album on Sirius radio. I kinda liked it. I'm still not sure how they should settle this tho. |
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compmore
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 11:14 AM
"Artists should have the absolute right to control their work,"
this is an interesting concept and true. however I'm a bit perplexed. the beatles are silent, implying acceptace (or perhaps they're letting EMI take the fall for them) JZ appears ok with things. it's only a corporation who's only creative talent is to know how to abuse the legal system that's making a fuss.
If corporations own the copyrights of their artists, then legally the artist doesn't have control of their work anyways, so who's to blame? certinly not the fans.
Also say for example Britney Spears says it's ok for someone to use a mix of one of her albums, she approves whole heartedly, I'm willing to bet her labels lawyers would kick into overdrive and shut her up quickly and file injunctions to stop it. |
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 11:50 AM
But Rick, artists should NOT have ABSOLUTE control. Unless money is involved, the artist/creator must live with the fact that the intellectual idea/work they came up with is now out there and can be built upon. To say otherwise contradicts to the laws of nature and physics. If I say "apple" and you hear me say "apple," we both know that (the sound at least) of "apple" exists. I have no right to clobber you if you go across the street and say "apple" to someone else. Nor would I have the right to clobber you if you were to embellish the original intellectual creation by saying "apple and orange."
As a society, we liked hearing these groovy new words like "apple" all so, we all got together and decided that we would allow only the original speaker to charge money for saying "apple" or any new word they came up with in order to reward them for comming up with that groovy new word. (But only for a limited period of time.) Otherwise, all of us could say "apple" and make money instead of the first person who said it. In our wisdom, we knew that the really good word maker-uppers would be more likely to make up new words to benefit us all if we gave them a limited monopoly of the right to make money from saying their new word.
Copyright is (or should be) about the right to profit from the work, it is NOT the right to control it utterly or forever.
Shmoo |
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 11:57 AM
I am not sure about Sir McCartney, but Mr. Lennon and even Mr. Harrison would be very much in favor of the Grey Album I think, (...so long as nobody was charging money for it, as is the case.)
I wonder what Ringo's take on things is. |
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PhantomGhost
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 1:42 PM
Who knows what Ringo is thinking. I wish I did. It's only him and Paul left now.
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PhantomGhost
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 1:44 PM
The Beatles were and still are a great band. But I agree- their works should be in the public domain by now. Their music was composed in the 60s. It's like 40 years later now. Enough with the copyrights. Alas for the RIAA and its minions in congress.
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FewerInhibit...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 2:17 PM
If you are allowed to profit, then you are allowed to control.
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carla60626
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 2:37 PM
Shmoo, I love your ideas, thanks for taking the time to articulate them (and thanks for the nice remark on the other post). I too think that the difference is if money/profit is involved.
I finally finished this article, Intellectual Property in the Real World, at http://www.osviews.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=789. Recommended reading.
Here's a pertinent passage:
Earlier we discussed how the IP industry would rather control markets than adapt to them. This tendency is dangerous for any enterprise, but particularly hazardous for the IP industry because of the manner in which it is structured. IP companies derive most of their income by serving as intermediate information brokers, connecting potential consumers with content creators. They may contract with content creators or employ them in house. Either way, they profit by marketing and distributing intellectual property created by artists, software engineers, and others involved in IP production. IP companies are useful only to the extent to which content creators require company services to sell their products.
For example, consider record labels. Record labels formerly played a critical role in the production and distribution of music. Fifteen years ago, the average consumer didn't have access to the technology required for high quality music duplication or distribution. But gradually CD burners and broadband internet connections have become commonplace, giving the average consumer distribution channels and digital recording capabilities that were once the province of industry professionals only.
The recording industry has cried foul ever since. Instead of adapting to new technologies and market realities, it has been busy diverting attention from its growing irrelevance by whining about them.
Of course change is tough, and a certain amount of whining is inevitable. But modern society seems to forget that technology has always required segments of the IP industry to reinvent or face obsolescence.
Reflect for a moment on the technological progress of portraiture over the last two centuries. Prior to the 1800's, portraits were painted by artists, and only the wealthy could afford them. Modern photography began in the 1830's with the discovery that photosensitive chemicals could be applied to plates, which were then exposed to light. Certainly the invention of photography caused more than one portraitist to worry about the future of his livelihood. But no one sought to stifle emerging technology to prevent a decline in portrait commissions.
In the 1900's, Kodak cameras brought photography to the masses. Since film development was beyond the expertise or interest of hobbyists, Kodak and others provided the service for a fee. Film development provided a revenue opportunity beyond the initial sale of equipment. The photo industry flourished under this "sales and service" model for years.
Fast-forward to the 1990's. Technology finally started to bring digital photography to the public. The photo industry's business model was jeopardized because digital photography eliminated film development. But camera companies didn't go to Congress seeking to regulate digital imaging. Instead, they embraced the digital revolution and found new opportunities for revenue. Kodak introduced the Photo CD; Canon started manufacturing color printers. The industry adapted to new technology; it reinvented itself and survived.
The recording industry has categorically refused to follow suit. Instead of adapting to the new technological landscape, it has lobbied Congress relentlessly, casting large segments of the population as criminals. Instead of recognizing historical precedent in industrial evolution, Congress decided that the recording industry did warrant special protection and subsequently passed the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
In attempting to insulate the recording industry from the realities of modern technology, Congress probably did more harm than good. Passage of the DMCA furthered the music industry's expectation that legislation could take the place of innovation and reinvention.
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:05 PM
"Certainly the invention of photography caused more than one portraitist to worry about the future of his livelihood. But no one sought to stifle emerging technology to prevent a decline in portrait commissions."
...psst, actually, they DID fight against it, but they did not have the "Portraitists Industry Association of America" (PIAA) back then. (well, maybe they DID have something similar, but that group is forgoten by the history books in the same way the RIAA will be forgotten :)
"But camera companies didn't go to Congress seeking to regulate digital imaging."
...well, they kinda did at first, but gave up once they saw the writing on the wall. Kodak is/was VERY powerful in Washington, (but diversification into hazardous chemicals being one reason) and that someone or a collective someones at the head of that company must have figured out that copyright control was NOT in their best interest. They (Kodak, and the rest of the photo industry) realized that their REAL job was to make and serve the public with better products and services rather than to dictate to the public what to do with those established products and services.
The record industry (as personified by the RIAA) has a hard lesson at their door. (Actually, the Grim Reaper is knocking at their door, and there is NO escape...) But, for the sake of arguement, even tho it is TOO LATE, I will say that they COULD HAVE saved themselves if they had signed a larger variety of artists, given more of the proffits to all the artists, not sued customers in a mad blitzkrieg, not bribed congress to change laws in thier favor, and a million other crimes that the public will not tolerate anymore.
RIAA, the jig is UP! Hellhound is at your door.
You are naked and exposed with your bare ass in the wind.
(If you work for the RIAA, or are a "major record label employee" and are reading these threads, I suggest you find a new job or start your own music service company with some of the ideas you find here kept close in your mind. The RIAA and the labels days are OVER! Rigamortis has just not set in yet is all.)
Carla, WOW at your posts as of late, Code and GZ have a rival!
:)
Shmoo, of Electric Gypsy
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purfus
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:27 PM
In my opinion the RIAA has already proven their ability to monitor mainstream p2p networks and find what songs are traded and how much. This would be even easier if they weren't threatening these people with legal actions. This type of information is the foundation needed for an effective compulsary licensing system. |
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:33 PM
But we don't want it in THEIR hands purfus. |
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carla60626
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:40 PM
Nah, shmoo, I just copy and distribute interesting tidbits. You and code and george (and many others) synthesize ideas and produce analysis. I'm a mere reporter (and spellchecker). |
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:46 PM
Do you work cheap? I need spellcheck and editing a lot. I just do the "stream oc conciousness" thing and shoot off at my mouth when I type. I am too lazy to look up sources or check on facts. I would SUCK as a reporter. |
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independentm...
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:49 PM
I only exercise my freedom of speech.
correct or not, I exercise it
...and encourage ALL to do so.
(are you a single woman carla? just curious...lol)
shmoo :) |
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carla60626
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Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:53 PM
Yes, single and cheap. I love editing. Even some fact checking... I should download some of your music. *giggling* |
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