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Music Industry Wants Jail Time for Lyrics Websites
The Music Publishers' Association (MPA) says such unlicensed publication is illegal and that closing websites and fining their owners is insufficient punishment.
MPA president Lauren Keise said: 'throw in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective'.
Keise added that the photocopier had hit songwriters and composers' incomes but that the Internet 'is taking more of a bite'.
Keise's remarks follow legal action earlier this week against the developers of software that searches the Web for lyrics. Walter Ritter was forced to withdraw one such application, pearLyrics, after receiving a cease and desist notice from record company Warner/Chappell Music.
The president of the National Music Publishers' Association, another US body, backed Keise's call.
'Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing,' he said.
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Accipiter777
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 9:44 AM
"'Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing,' he said."
How? |
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MP3user
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 10:28 AM
"'Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living..."
Bullshit
"...and is no different than stealing,' he said."
Isn't any different? IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE. You post lyrics, you don't take anything away from them a-la stealing, although you might be infringing copyrights, which is not stealing.
I think we ought to push for mandatory viewing of Orwell's 1984 so we can give the public a view of where this may lead us. |
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mixerjaexx
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 11:04 AM
"Bullshit" For real. I couldn't believe this story when I came across it... How can posting song lyrics be "illegal"?? The RIAA’s got professional song writers for mostly all of their artists, and what… they’re afraid that people will, what… “steal” ideas or words from their great mainstream artist’s songs??
“All you people can't you see, can't you see ,
How your love's affecting our reality ,
Everytime we're down ,
You can make it right ,
And that makes you larger than life ,”
Oh yeah, that’s some real poetic shit there boy. And “jail time”?? Man, they’re pushing it too damn far. I suspect one of the heads of the RIAA’s gonna’ F with the wrong person and one of these guys will pay them a visit and meet them on their level… face-to-face, fist-to-throat. Shit… I know I would when it comes to jail time over bull shit. “You tried to take me away from my family, friends and my girl. Now I’m going to do the same to you…” |
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diamondman
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 1:22 PM
I agree with MP3user's quote "I think we ought to push for mandatory viewing of Orwell's 1984 so we can give the public a view of where this may lead us." The RIAA is screwing up the music industry. I file share, because I am broke. But the friends I have almost always get the songs legally when they like omething I got. Why can't the radical organizations go against something that will help the world when decommisioned, like spyware!!! Instead they pledge their allegance to incarsurating people who share music and in this case, make it easier for people to enjoy the song. Itunes has a properties window that lists the lyrics. These lyrics don't usually come with the song, so we have to get them somewhere. And I completely agree with mixerjaexx. And what I find to be strange is that the RIAA members can sleep at night! Do you think they think they are helping the world by shutting down web sites that promote music! I mean, come on!!! Today's artist say stuff so fast, that I need to look the words up to tell weather I like what the songs say. Does this mean the RIAA is going to suddenly start hypnotizing us through our legal music (Just joking).
Next the RIAA is going to go after cariokee (I think I destroyed that word) manufacturers because they pop lyrics on the screen, and the singers did not pay royalties to entertain people. And after that they will arrest people who listen to music all the time for maaking a song less popular. If you are a good artist, people will buy your discs to support you, and the concerts should help too. I never even thought that it was possible for someone to see lyrics sites as criminal. Nor did I think the RIAA could get so anal (or take so much speed) as to demand jail time for these people!!! RIAA, if you are listening, I hope you all (All responsible for these rediculous ideas) burn in hell for all eternity after somebody whome you ruined their life by sending them to jail for a couple years and fining comes in and releases the biggest bomb he could carry and flattening the building:))
Go Fuck yourself RIAA and leave the world alone. |
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pepe512000
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 1:52 PM
This is NUTS! |
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captdunsel
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 2:07 PM
two years ago when I said we were headed towards a pay per play internet I was being a smart ass. now it seems that is the reality.
there is one small detail that they are overlooking. It took the feds 25 years to figure out that roger daltry was saying "who the f*ck are you". If they close down the lyric sites they won't ever figure out what the artists are saying |
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NiceGuy2003
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 2:39 PM
Diamondman, they're already in the process of shutting down kareoke bars. One of the lawyers in the case even went on TV and did an interview where he said "People have got to learn that music isn't free and it never should be." or something to that effect.
So people want to know the lyrics to their favorite song. Good grief. Not all CDs list the lyrics in the booklet so you have to go somewhere to get them. What are they afraid of anyway?
So I guess they'll go back now and arrest the people who made that commercial where the couple calls the librarian to settle a dispute over what the lyrics to Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar On Me" really where.
Geez, what a bunch of idiots. |
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MP3user
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 3:24 PM
You think the MPA is idiotic now? Check this out.
http://www.mpa.org/nocopy.html
"Copy-free zone"? More like a "don't copy our music to learn unless you become our slaves" |
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Distilled1
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 5:21 PM
This is just plain insane!
What do they loose if some kid finally realizes that the words are matrial world and not cereal bowl:?
And God forbid a parent could read it and find out if there are things being sung they would like to keep from their children.
:shakeshead: |
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AsiaMinor
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Date: December 11, 2005 @ 7:24 PM
Honestly, it's about time. Not that I'm agreeing with them; it really is a very bizarre thing going on. But...
Ever since a couple years ago, I've been wondering when those guys will have the audacity to go after websites that host electronic copies of lyrics for all to see.
B/c from my logic, be it flawed, lyrics are just as copyrighted as the music part is.
Everyone is being sued left-right-center for infringing the copyright of the music by hosting mp3s for others to d/l. Since both parts are protected by copyright, I wondered when they'll go after lyrics websites since those sites are infringing the copyright of the textual work (I doubt all those sites went for permission of the copyright holders/writers first). I shrugged it off then, since I thought similar reactions as you guys now.
Can always try and reproduce the words by listening, but I figured actual audio was much better than text, so that's why mp3 guys got busted first.
Basically, if you're gonna sue guys with mp3s but not guys with lyrics, it's kinda weird, since both are protected. Not that it's smart of course. |
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TrueAudio
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Date: December 12, 2005 @ 3:03 AM
OK, NOW I AM FUCKING PISSED
and for that, I reserved this piece of satire which I have written. If you never hear from me again after posting this, its because I was secretly kidnapped in the P.S.A. I assure you, I will be dead, if you never hear from me again. But FUCK them, I'm exercising my 1st Amendment rights, and if I can't do that, then this country can and will burn in hell.
Note: The entirety of this article is satire
Top Secret
President of Brazil, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva was secretly assassinated by a black-ops unit as a joint effort by the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) and the CIA. Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva was deemed far to great a threat to worldwide digital rights management, and international copyright
enforcement directives under the NWO (New World Order) with his strong commitment to having implemented Linux nationwide throughout Brazil's IP infrastructure.
Ultra high technology 9th generation bugs planted within a secret meeting room at Bohemian Grove in northern California recorded the following about this event:
CIA director: "Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's insistence on continuing to reject international DRM mandates has led us into this inevitable tactical execution. For the next phase of our Eurasia directive, we must not allow anyone to become empowered with the freedom from DRM that Linux operating systems provide the public at large."
RIAA President: "The Internet has become too powerful, but with the elimination of the Brazilian President, full integration of Brazil within the FBI Echelon and Sentry TIA (Total Information Awareness) systems will be unimpeded, now that our newly lobbied in replacement for Mr. Lula da Silva will be much more, shall we say, "cooperative".
Illuminati President: "Even now, the CIA front group, Fox News, has reported that our pawn, al-Zaraqi has claimed responsibility for the assassination. Soon we shall move forward with Phase 3 of the Eurasia Directive. Our control will not be absolute until this countries DNA database is complete and the remaining Americans have been implanted with our wetware biometric neuro-controller".
MPAA President: "The DRM biometric neuro controller will immediately initiate a transfer of funds from their bank anytime they whistle a copyrighted tune, or even think of one. Now that the Internet has its destruction guaranteed, we will finally recoup the trillions of dollars from those damn pirates."
WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization) President: "We never really cared about copyright, To think everyone bought our propaganda that we gave a damn about it, haha, with the DRM biometric
neuro-controller, we own the rights to their bodies and minds, which is all we wanted in the first place. It's a shame that it took us this long. I would have thought that 9-11 and PATRIOT ACT I & II would have facilitated their enslavement far sooner."
Illuminati President: "Failure to follow our mandatory chip implant directive will result in immediate death, execution style, of any offender. Our media empire has effectively desensitized the nation to torture, murder, suffering, terror, the vilification of their so-called God, and so-called savior, Jesus. Soon the world will be ours, they cannot resist the power of the Beast. We must exterminate the true Christians first, as they will be most dangerous to us. The pathetic U.S. Constitution will crumble at our feet."
End of transmission
Our operatives cover was blown while trying to plant another bug at a location at Bohemian Grove where a discussion about electronically manipulating votes by the heads of state regarding a Constitutional Amendment to allow foreigners to run for President of the United States was taking place. It was later discovered by an email we decrypted from the DCI (Director of Central Intelligence) that this man was captured, and beheaded. The above digital transmission was nonetheless received, stored remotely, and safely recovered.
Note: The entirety of this article is satire
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mechanismatic
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Date: December 12, 2005 @ 9:22 AM
MP3user,
that's a great link. I laughed a good bit after reading it. the thing I think that's most laughable is the fact that they recognize the schools that supposedly adhere to their desires. they actually think there's a place where copyright violation is not happening. the MPA probably violates copyrights all the time. but of course they're the victim here...or some b.s. like that. |
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INeedAlover
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Date: December 12, 2005 @ 10:46 AM
I say let the lyrics websites close. Let the RIAA take all of it's material OFF those websites. Just like P2P file sharing, get rid of their music. Then, only non-RIAA music will be available for listening on the internet and for finding lyrics. Wouldn't that be great?! Cut the free exposure to music that these lyrics site provide. If no one knows the words, then no one can know the music! |
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compmore
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Date: December 12, 2005 @ 8:43 PM
There's words?? |
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 12, 2005 @ 10:05 PM
captd,
hehe, I always wondered how that song got on the radio. It was never censored. |
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NiceGuy2003
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Date: December 12, 2005 @ 11:03 PM
You know what's bad about the MPA's "copy-free zone" BS. They're basically trying to force already strapped for cash school districts to purchase separate copies of the sheet music for a particular song.
I remember when I was in grade school the music teacher being on such a shoe string budget that she had to take the sheet music and run off fifty copies for everyone. And now the MPA wants you to not do that and buy the copies? So if they charge $20 a copy, then you're looking at $1000 just so fifty kids can learn a song to sing in front of the school. |
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INeedAlover
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Date: December 12, 2005 @ 11:24 PM
"They're basically trying to force already strapped for cash school districts to purchase separate copies of the sheet music for a particular song."
Gee, since the "FAIR USE" provisions of copyright law do allow some use for educational purposes, this wouldn't be so profitable.
I love the comments posted by George Ziemann at www.azoz.com. Great commentary! Like I said before, go ahead. Sue all the lyric sites. When no one knows or remembers your music, RIAA, exactly how do you propose to sell it? |
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TrueAudio
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Date: December 13, 2005 @ 12:04 AM
Slightly off-topic, but I like dthis one:
"The MPAA is working aggressively to root out piracy in all corners of the globe so that unfortunate events driven by this illegal activity are halted and the public is made safer."
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"Was there ever a more twisted statement than the one above? The public is made safer? It begs the questioner to follow that with "from who"? Prehaps we ought to ask the dead grandmothers, the 13 adn 14 year old childern, the mothers of those childern, and the grandparents just who is protecting who.
Using financial terrorism against family members, statutory damages whose penalities were designed to be used against those selling goods as the penalty against individuals not making a dime doesn't really fit does it? This has had to be stretched so far for justification that minor profits such as a site that hosts an ad to help support it and will in no way actually carry the full burden of financial support of the site is considered as the justification of making profit. That's a bit out of whack in my book and should be in yours too. It's like saying you picked up a penny on the sidewalk and are arrested for not paying rent on the sidewalk to the city fathers.
The justifications are really having to be stretched to even manufacture a reason that sounds anywhere near plausable and when it is looked at closer, it vanishes as a sound reason.
No wonder I have a problem with buying goods from the cartels, laced with spyware and rootkits, spying on the buyer as part of the package, and doing invisable damage to security in a world where security is of prime importance. What a bargain for the customer..."
http://p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&story=7291&comment=26274 |
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MajorTreat
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Date: December 13, 2005 @ 3:35 AM
Good. I am going to put online a lyric web site.
Come for me RIAA! |
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MajorTreat
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Date: December 13, 2005 @ 3:38 AM
"Was there ever a more twisted statement than the one above?"
Aggree with you True audio.
One thing is clear though: Glueman is less and less safe just as Shitman! Trust me on this one |
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imemine
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Date: December 13, 2005 @ 2:27 PM
Gee’s, what a crock of crap! 'Unauthorized use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing,'
Did anyone ever ask the artist if THEY even cared?
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Critto
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Date: December 13, 2005 @ 3:05 PM
... or maybe a JAIL time for the folks working for the RIAA? After all, they use a variety of unethical methods, that tantamount to threats and intimidation (I mean the "sue'em all campaign"). Furthermore, WHAT ABOUT THE LOBBYING TAX-RELATE$D ISSUES of the RIAA? Someone has mentioned here, that they can be chased by the IRS because they are involved in lobbying while being formally a non-profit organization, while lobbying by such organization is prohibited in the USA. Has anything changed? If not, WHAT about formally informing the IRS about the abuse by the RIAA and demanding a legal course of action? It would be a really interesting thing, if you know something about it please write to crittoNOSPAM (at) o2 (dot) pl, please remove NOSPAM, of course, as I'm really interested in the matters.
Besides, it would be interesting to see what would the RIAA say, if the legal action was initiated by the IRS ... :) Would they claim tht the IRS and Internal Revenue Code are illegal (unconstituitonal)? If yes (see http://givemeliberty.org, which doesn't have anything to do with RIAA, for comparison) , and if they've proven this, it would be a damn good thing for all liberty-loving anti-tax people, too:))
In Liberty,
Critto
liberter.webpark.pl
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Gottagetsome...
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Date: December 15, 2005 @ 3:03 AM
I can't believe what these idiots are saying. They honestly think site owners should be jailed for posting lyrics?
What's funnier to me though is that "Keise added that the photocopier had hit songwriters and composers' incomes..." this lady must've been brainwashed by the RIAA. |
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SpyderEater16
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Date: December 25, 2005 @ 5:05 PM
So now that Lyrics and Posting Music Online they should start going after the Cover Bands.
Seeing as how I got the Lyrics and Music for the songs that my Band plays illegally online I should be thrown in Jail for Stealing.
Go After the Young cover bands RIAA. See where that gets you.
Almost all Bands start off playing other Artists Music. If posting lyrics and music is stealing than covering a song without the permision of the Artist has to be stealing also.
Lets see what happens to their music industry when no new Artists emerge because of the fear of the RIAA. |
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jimparker
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Date: December 25, 2005 @ 10:58 PM
WOW..what in the world are these people thinking. GREED is taking over. Do I feel we should pay for music? Yes.We all get paid to do our jobs and that is a musicians "job". But this is just insane. They are taking
I agree with you totally SpyderEater16. That im sure will be the next step. They will wind up trying to stop cover bands or make them pay to sing/play covers. Don't they realize what they are doing to the music industry? It really sickens me.
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rockequalsli...
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Date: December 28, 2005 @ 11:32 PM
I agree with you imemine! Why don't we ask the artists? How much fucking money are they gonna lose? They've already got millions of dollars from the selling of their albums and concert tickets. They've also got their "signature shirts and gear" so why the hell does RIAA want to start suing for lyrics AND TABS sites. Its not like someone took the tab book sold at the music store and copied it to the internet. Some people actually took the time to figure out the music by ear. So what does that mean? Are we gonna get fined for playing someone else's music now? THIS SICKENS ME!
I wouldn't be surprised if we started getting taxed on the air we breathe in the next 30 years.
FUCK THE RIAA AND KEEP THE FIGHT GOING.
START THE REVOLUTION
GO AGAINST THE GOVERNMENTS!
"YOU CAN'T FUCKING VIOLATE MY RIGHTS!"
and you sure as hell can't tell me i can't speak my own opinion.
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kapoun
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Date: December 29, 2005 @ 11:57 PM
ok so then let me get this straight... our human languages are getting copyrighted. eventually wont they copyright everything thus forcing you to pay money just for communication? |
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c0z420
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Date: December 31, 2005 @ 11:42 AM
SEND EMAILS!!!!!! ---> mpa-admin@mpa.org This is the Music publishers assocation who is shutting down the sites and doing the ACTUAL Damage!!! Here is the email i sent to them.
Dear Music Publisher's Association,
You recently have been pushing for copyright infringement on guitar tablature, lyrics and other things on the internet. How is it by any means any of ur business to let whoever they want to take time out of their lives to sit down, and listen to music from their favorite artists and learn their lyrics, and or guitar and post it for others to see. Yes, i know their material is written by the artist themselves, but guess what. When they make their songs available to the public, its not theirs anymore. It is OURS!!!! The people that buy their music, go to their concerts and make them famous. I see that now you honestly think that you are going after the Karaoke bars ??? Are you serious??? So not only are you trying to take good times away from millions of people worldwide, you are also taken away TONS of business from the economy. WOW! I might be crazy but I've heard songs in karoakee and actually went out and bought the cd. Hmm...lets think here...wouldnt that make the artist money? Think about it here... I am a recording artist myself. I play guitar with many bands, and are you trying to say that you are going to go after COVER bands now after you take all the fun out of Karaokee? Ok so you're going to now...find every band playing a song thats not theirs and lets give them some jail time....hey why not....!!!??
Now I hope you see where i'm going with this. I think this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard in my life when my favorite LEARNING resource for music is shutdown because you. MXTABS.NET was the best guitar/bass/drums learning resource I have ever used. I WAS a moderator on the site and posted many tabs that I could never find in a store....THATS WHY WE POST THEM!!! I spent hours upon hours on that and now you think you can take that all away from us? I want to know how kids, adults, musicians, picking up a guitar and learning some of their favorite artists hurts the music industry??? I cant wait til i hear that answer i just really cant wait!!!
You know why i want to hear the answer, because I have an answer for anything you throw at me. Lets just say you reply "It is the artists copyrighted material and they have rithts to who has it, can see it, etc etc."
- Have you ever thought of it this way? How many kids, adults, musicians have been saved by writing music, playing music from their favorite bands and even listening and singing along to their favorite artist? Music saves lives everyday, like it or not. Their are millions of musicians who I think made music their main hobby and is the best thing they have in their lives. What is funny is you dont realize that bands, guitarists, singers play their favorite artists music everyday, every nigiht of the week....THATS FREE PROMOTION for any band!!!! How is that bad thing??
So lets say you reply..."Its stealing money from the tablature, sheet music industry"
Again....i'm sorry to say but that is complete BS!!!! Not until someone takes the time out and makes a TABLATURE book for every CD in the world then there is always goin to be someone taking the time out and figuring a song out, writing it town, posting it somewhere so not everyone has to take hours upon hours learning 1 song that someone else already knows.
I'm trying to make you realize how this pushing you are doing is actually HURTING the music industry. There is really just NO WAY you can take this information away from the people who pay for your salaries. WE ARE THE PEOPLE!!! MUSICIANS, FANS, ARTISTS, BOYS, GIRLS, EVERYONE!!! Please stop this non sense.
Jason Cosley |
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isaacfeagin
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Date: December 31, 2005 @ 10:10 PM
in all seriousness...
what in the hell are they doing? the only thing that they have accomplished is to be hated by the average american...
as c0z420 said..."SEND EMAILS!!!!!! ---> mpa-admin@mpa.org This is the Music publishers assocation who is shutting down the sites and doing the ACTUAL Damage!!!" do it...if nothing else...just to let them know that theyre are greedy assholes that dont know what the FUCK theyre doing...
o yea...and if theyres anyone from the RIAA or MPA reading this
"by the way, to think that you're so fucking kind, you aint.
hard to find how to feel, especially when youre smothering me, hard to find how i feel, please someone help me...hard to find how i feel, oh you greedy little baby"
COME AND GET ME YOU MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLES |
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QuebecGuitar72
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Date: January 1, 2006 @ 6:29 PM
DUDE COMON!!! How can you say its steal?? man if peoples dont want their lyrics to go on the internet they just have to don't sing in their song. I mean comon i can understant them for music share because they lose money but how can you lose money by making people KNOW ur songs by heart?? I think its just some kind of stupid idea for the guy to make money. It is so far from a steal cuz most of this are people who listen to the song and tab them by themselves. Get lost motha fucka shitter from heaven shit of my ass hairs :P that want to make money by that stupid way |
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Dasher00
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Date: January 1, 2006 @ 10:43 PM
I really was taken aback by this one. Shaken in my britches, to be exact. So I did a little research before I came back here with my rant. Here we go.
I have been playing guitar and bass for over 6 years now. I still remember how great I felt the first time I squeaked out a recognizable tune by Bush or Blink 182. Then... and you'd think the MPA and RIAA would like this... I played my Blink 182 CD (which I purchased legally) over and over and over again until I could play it right.
I got good enough to the point where I thought I could join a band. We got started by playing covers, and soon began writing our own music. I can honestly say there would be no bigger honor to myself or my bandmates than having either our lyrics or our music tabbed and posted on line. To think that people were so interested in what we had workd so hard on that they wanted to learn it too is the ultimate honor to any true artist or musician.
Not fired up enough? Check this out: http://www.mpa.org/nocopy.html
When you do get mad enough, send an email to: mpa-admin@mpa.org |
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punkrocker10115
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Date: January 3, 2006 @ 3:41 AM
you may think im insane
i think everyone that helps this bullshit greed/money drive war against lyrics and tab should be shot in the face to make sure we as music listeners will be safe once again to go on on the internet and find how to play a song or see what they are singing. |
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Sleyermeister
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Date: January 3, 2006 @ 3:58 PM
Well then, how about we sue Weird Al for paroding all those songs and any band who has ever made a cover of someone else's song. Sue Metallica for releasing Garage Inc.
Weird Al always asks the artists if he can parody their songs even though he doesnt have to because music is not copywrite-able but lyrics are. You guys remember when Puff Daddy (that was his name then) got hella pissed at Weird Al for "Amish Paradise"?
And don't forget to imprison every wedding band ever. |
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