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independentm...
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 3:12 PM
Talk to me! |
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pepe512000
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 3:39 PM
Hi Shmoo. Ok, lets do a head count...see who is still here...everyone.....check in.... :) |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 3:43 PM
:wave: |
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independentm...
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 4:39 PM
I don't expect a huge number of peeople who bothered to come to school today to come rushing in immediately pepe. We may have lost a LOT of our following lately.
The trolls last week were at least RIGHT about the fact that things have "gone downhill" lately because of the tech problems. (Partly because of the "system" we work with ...BUT probably "more-so" because of MY fault of NOT being/becoming the web-code master I shoulda been instead of just and only spending my time on being an administrator/editorialist.)
But, I am trying and/or being forced to LEARN the skills/tools I should have had a long time ago with the advent of my own NEW site (yup, this time all mine, not something via DMusic. -- uh, NOT to disparage DMusic. leflaw & company is WONDERFUL and all that...)
I am about 6 thousand years from being "good enough" to commercially launch my silly little 'side project' ...but, the fact that I am doing it, and the things that are involved are teaching me many of the skills I lack (but should have had all along) while trying to administrate all things :noriaa: (Boycott Riaa)
Time to GROW folks. EVOLVE or DIE!
(And IMHO, let's pull our troops out of IRAQ ...now. WTF is the POINT in "staying the course" when Saddam is already in jail, and now, about to be hanged. Let Iraq's people figure out what IRAQ wants to do and/or become on its' own. USA does NOT belong there in the middle of it all!!!
...oh yeah, I forget sometimes. "It's about the oil."
Money to be $MADE$ by the oil corporations!
...well, who makes the decisions about things in the USA?
You guessed it.
I suppose even the Democrats are gonna keep our sons and daughters in harm's way at least a couple more years.
Can't displease our nations TRUE corporate rulers now can we?)
This is Amerika! $$$ to be made! |
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independentm...
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 4:40 PM
Hey, I just ranted.
WOW
been a long time, felt GOOD (even if I got off topic a bit there at the end.) |
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independentm...
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 4:50 PM
I did the "time warp" trick again on this article. I hope it doesn't screw up DMusic's own newspage. (If it does, I'm SURE leflaw will bitch me out for it.)
MY REPLY to him will be... "Damnit Boss, why don't you kick your coders in the ass and make them give me better tools to work with then? ...that "feature link" button on the admin side only works for the front page at DMusic. I tested it several times and found that the ONLY way to get an article to stick at the top is to jump in the time-machine."
"Grrr..." |
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independentm...
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 5:47 PM
My guess his answer will be along the lines of:
"Well, you are part of my team, but I don't get any direct revenue from Boycott Riaa or Boycott-Riaa (and such a thing was never ASKED in remumeration for the webspace which has always been provided as a SERVICE to the community.) |
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independentm...
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 5:51 PM
Folks,
I am PUBLICLY asking leflaw to PRIVATELY tell me how much he'd be willing to sell the url's of Boycott-Riaa and Boycottriaa.
(and BEGGING him to let me have them on a "payment plan" because I have NO capitol what-so-ever...
lol,
assuming he'd EVER sell such great domain names in the first place.) |
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independentm...
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 6:17 PM
Naw, he won't ever sell.
Not for any price that I can ever afford.
(I have about $6 in my pocket and NO credit-line.
Larry RIGHTFULLY should charge a ridiculiously huge number by comparison for the URL names, considering the history/name recogition.)
But, HEY!
Didn't Madison Aveneue create a nation-wide all-sweeping holiday that is soon arriving...
leflaw, (Santa)
can I have a DREAM X-mas gift in my stocking?) |
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gfmlcka
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 8:02 PM
Just don't sell it to the RIAA. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 26, 2006 @ 9:37 PM
:here: |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 1:24 AM
Back to the humble 1 to 2 posts per threads I see. It’s ok though... you’d gladly sacrifice traffic for the sake of the site...To bad that meant everyone huh!! People like free speech in this country...even for us (uhh hum) Trolls!!
Keep up the bad work... |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 3:41 AM
speaking of trolls . . .
hmm, did leflaw ban "1854"
but not 1854's buddy (or alias): i.e., GeneticDefect
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pmmusic
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 7:52 AM
Me too. hi shmoo.... |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 10:01 AM
"hmm, did leflaw ban "1854"
but not 1854's buddy (or alias): i.e., GeneticDefect "
It would appear he missed the other name ( same person ). |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 12:36 PM
"Back to the humble 1 to 2 posts per threads I see."
Look at the front page. While all of the stories are topical, they don't all require comment.
Artists are leaving MySpace.
A UK ban on mp3 transmitters lifted.
You're now allowed to test DRM for security problems but you still can't copy your DVD to an iPod legally.
WiFi Standards have a patent issue.
Wiretapping sucks.
DRM sucks.
Some of us don't bother to post when we have nothing worthwhile to say about the topic at hand. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 1:18 PM
(Look at the front page. While all of the stories are topical, they don't all require comment.)
Sure they don't.
(Some of us don't bother to post when we have nothing worthwhile to say about the topic at hand.)
That "must" be what it is.
Anyone else buying this nonsense? Wait! gdZiemann, Dreddsnik, PerilousTimes, gfmlcka, and myself. That makes all of us. And three of them I bet are leflaw!
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brenthannah
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 1:55 PM
Hey I'm still lurking. I kinda stopped posting when I couldn't figure what was happnin between the 2 sites.
I still don't get why some people take the time just to snipe. I'm all for differing opinions, I don't agree with everything that is said here myself. But lets have some rational debate. |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 27, 2006 @ 10:45 PM
re: "rational debate"
that's the second worst thing about trolls--they prefer to "snipe" rather than engage in rational debate
that's because their primary mission is to disparage and discourage
and sometimes to get revenge against the website owner
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:29 AM
The trolls seem to specialize in ad hominem attacks, which avoid addressing an opponent's main argument entirely by casting into question the person or entity who is making that argument.
They never contribute to a rational debate, focusing instead on anything BUT the topic being discussed. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 1:24 PM
(The trolls seem to specialize in ad hominem attacks)
ad hominem attacks???
Ohh Oh gdZiemann's college educated wife is typing for his behalf again.
I better watch my P's and Q's.
LoL |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 2:52 PM
(that's because their primary mission is to disparage and discourage
and sometimes to get revenge against the website owner)
PerilousTimes.....Master of the ridiculously obvious. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 3:04 PM
(It would appear he missed the other name ( same person ).
Professor Dreddsneak and another well thought out riposte
it seems…
What a fuckin genius! Any wonder why this site has 2 posts per thread with this dolt helping to run things. |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 3:51 PM
Thanks for providing those three examples of the classic ad hominem attack. It is also important to note that this sort of tactic, while still widely used in the political arena, rarely changes anyone's mind about anything, primarily due to the fact that the attacker never has anything relevant to contribute to any discussion. |
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gfmlcka
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 4:54 PM
Karl Rove uses the same strategy albeit with wedge issues via proxy to swing short term public attention opinion. Coulter uses it to sell her crappy, ill researched books. Limbaugh, when he isn't patting himself on the back uses it to expand his illiterate listener base. O'Reilly uses it fluster his debater before cutting them off in a self righteous huff.
Funny how they all support "I'm a uniter not a divider" Bush2. Division is their goal.
Antagonism fuels their ratings and pays their salary. They all, and some liberal clowns too, 'Carry the water' to use Limbaughs phrase, prostitute themselves for money and attention.
It's all sophistry.
Ignore it, it will evaporate on its own like a fart in the wind.
Sometimes sooner when leflaw turns on the fan.
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gfmlcka
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 4:58 PM
Our friend Ray Beckerman has a /. thread over at:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/28/1549242
(The let's spot the RIAA trolls sub thread is amusing) |
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gfmlcka
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 5:03 PM
Troll bait set.
Cursing ad hominem attacks in 5..4..3..2..1.... |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 6:04 PM
adversarial system of justice
when allowed to be misused too often
will do a disserve to the best interests of the common people
the riaa group of major labels is determined to have oppressive copyright law and onerous enforcement
because they are control freaks
trolls are determined to be horses asses
because they are misfits
down with the riaa
down with trolls
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captdunsel
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 6:50 PM
you mean that idiot gadfly is still circling?
jeez, I'm out of it for a little while and everyone gets delusions of grandeur.
and just for a laugh, the german goverment set a maximum penalty for "illegal downloading" at 50 euros. you can read the article at allofmp3.com
not exactly what the riaa had in mind |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 7:08 PM
" you mean that idiot gadfly is still circling? "
Yup.
For all of the hatred of Lef and this site he spouts ...
"trolls are determined to be horses asses
because they are misfits"
He has no where else to go ;) |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:26 PM
(Ignore it, it will evaporate on its own like a fart in the wind).
Certainly this logic is relevant with regards to this site...“Ignore it“...Which certainly the masses are doing...And evaporate...Which will surely happen seeing that "both" websites lack posts.
Excluding the half dozen idiots we're all used to that is. Who like the fart they proclaim..are full of hot air. |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:28 PM
"trolls are determined to be horses asses
because they are misfits"
"He has no where else to go :)"
perhaps true . . .
but, in retrospect, what i could have said is
trolls are misfits who choose to be horses' asses
that would likely have been more correct
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:32 PM
(Carry the water' to use Limbaughs phrase, prostitute themselves for money and attention.)
(It's all sophistry).
:-) |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:33 PM
see 10:26 PM post --
more examples of ad hominem attacks, just as George wrote earlier
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:35 PM
hey, leflaw, what do you think of this guy?
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:36 PM
(misfits)
PerilousTimes
Dreddsnik
gfmlcka
gdZiemann
Pretty much covers everybody. Keep in mind the fact that this operation is run by a maximum of 4 people posting under different names.
Mom n Pop for sure....Watch out RIAA!! |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:39 PM
PerilousPostsNumerousTimes
I
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:39 PM
PerilousPostsNumerousTimes
can't stop |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:39 PM
PerilousPostsNumerousTimes
Posting!!! |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:40 PM
PerilousPostsNumerousTimes
Help Me!! |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:41 PM
PerilousPostsNumerousTimes
STOP
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:41 PM
PerilousPostsNumerousTimes
SUCKING |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:42 PM
PerilousPostsNumerousTimes
UP |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 10:53 PM
not sucking up as much as appealing to the man
to end your logging-in life
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 28, 2006 @ 11:21 PM
Of course. Because then he/she can complain about their freedom of speech being infringed. |
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independentm...
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 12:19 AM
I want to thank GeneticJackHammer for making this thread "popular" by spreading it out and only posting only one word in each of his/her/it's posts
(as IF we cared how many "hits" or "replies" occured.)
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independentm...
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 12:20 AM
lol,
...seems working AGAINST us actually works FOR us! |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 10:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9pgOmlHE2k
;) |
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pepe512000
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 12:23 PM
Dreddsnik Holy Crap! I just watched that video and then I think it's no wonder why we have madmen, terrorists, murders and just plain unpleasant trolls....
That boy needs some serious help! |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 12:34 PM
Maybe I should stop lurking so much... but then you all seem to be handling things very well. I've been busy with problems at the OTHER place, but just so you know, I'm still around. And I still don't like trolls. |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 12:55 PM
How much do you want to bet that ShadowMom is leflaw in chick mood. Sitting at his computer dressed in bra and panties.
Yuck what a thought. A real hairy beast in drag! |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:02 PM
http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds-3/drag-queen-folsom-street-2.jpg |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:04 PM
"not sucking up as much as appealing to the man to end your logging-in life"
Pussy! |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:11 PM
Osama! You smell familiar. Where have we met before? |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:20 PM
I'm guessing at the zoo. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:22 PM
Hi, George. See what happens when I drop by to say hello? |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:23 PM
Do know...was I one those who walked your wall of shame?
I'm sure one of us left the DNA that resulted in one of your kids.
That's why they call her Shadow, she does her best work in the dark! |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:25 PM
"I'm guessing at the zoo."
Great comeback gdZiemann. The wife at her real job so you're home alone.. back to typing for yourself? |
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pepe512000
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:35 PM
ShadowMom
And a big Hi to you as well :wave: .....you have more friends here than whack jobs like guys who just sign up in a day (like today) to spout off...
so don't be discouraged....just keep on keeping on....
How's the weather by the way....I'm in three feet of snow up here....Yuck! |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:37 PM
Hi, Pepe! Thank you! I'm always around, just not time to post as much as I used to. But then, I'm so honored that he decided to sign up just to say hello to me! And I'm sitting in the Florida sun.. it's warm and clear, just a beautiful day! |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:42 PM
"you have more friends here than whack jobs like guys who just sign up in a day"
The lovefest with Shadowmom still burns when I urinate.
A dripping night of passion you could say. |
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pepe512000
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:43 PM
See? You are privileged..perhaps in more ways than one cares to be?... :) Keep up the good work! |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:46 PM
"I'm sitting in the Florida sun.. it's warm and clear, just a beautiful day!"
And who says old bats don't come out during the day. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:48 PM
Oh wow... if you had anything to say, you'd be dangerous. How's ShadowPop? |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:48 PM
"Osama! You smell familiar. Where have we met before? "
It's Just Gadfly again, Shadowmom.
Pretty easy to spot.
He created ID GeneticJackHammer on
Nov 1st, hoping to capitalize on the
potential political threads. When no one
took his bait, he created user 1854 so
he could create responses, even if he
was ignored.
1854 got banned by Lef, but Lef missed
GeneticJackHammer ( accident or design ;) ). He created OsamaObama
today to continue the 'attempted' disruption.
That's why he's so familiar. He's a one
trick pony, and very easy to see through. |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:52 PM
"Osama! You smell familiar. Where have we met before?"
"gdZiemann
Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:20 PM
I'm guessing at the zoo."
nah, zoos have higher standards
they don't prefer foul creatures
"whack jobs like guys who just sign up in a day (like today) to spout off..."
actually, this is a persistent chameleon
going by many different names in the past
but perhaps leflaw can concentrate on the rascal's computer number and ban that |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:53 PM
"Dreddsnik Holy Crap! I just watched that video and then I think it's no wonder why we have madmen, terrorists, murders and just plain unpleasant trolls.... "
Now, replace the subtitles with the troll
posts here :P |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:54 PM
Hi, Dreddsnik! You think so? I thought maybe this guy just popped up out of the blue to say hello. It's nice to know I was missed. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 1:57 PM
" Hi, Dreddsnik! You think so? "
Just go back in time and re-examine all
of the posts from Kneo to the present.
The use of language, common targets
and themes, etc ....
I'm certain. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:00 PM
"Just go back in time and re-examine all
of the posts from Kneo to the present. "
Yes, I actually did :(
He's right about one thing, i am just one
step away from 'basement dwlling loser'.
:( |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:03 PM
First it thinks leflaw and Shadowmom are the same, then thinks it had a lovefest with one of them in its lonely CUNY dorm room. |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:03 PM
after kneo24, wasn't there a GOPsweetie and "her" self-same companion that leflaw recognized as identical computer i.d.s (this was Nov. 2004)?
then came Gadfly
and several other subsequent usernames
until the most recent reincarnations
that we've suffered through
is that what you found, Dredd?
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:08 PM
" is that what you found, Dredd? "
And all using the same tired 'ol rhetoric.
Lef the dictator ...
Lef the Megalomaniac ...
The site gets traffic cuz of me ....
No one ever comes here ..
Dredd is Perilous is Codger ..
sexual insults to Shadowmom ...
Blather rimita ro.
always the same. |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:08 PM
i'm wondering if it really knows better about leflaw and some others, etc., NOT being one and the same
but throwing out those kind of accusations may be intended to stir up suspicion or confusion the minds of some relatively new readers
that would fit a goal of a troll
especially this one |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:08 PM
" He's right about one thing, i am just one
step away from 'basement dwlling loser'."
I'm safe on that one. I don't have a basement. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:12 PM
"but throwing out those kind of accusations may be intended to stir up suspicion or confusion the minds of some relatively new readers "
It's another form of 'ad hominem', designed to throw attention away
from itself, the secondary effect on
new readers is just an added bonus for the troll. |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:16 PM
i guess so
one thing i'm fairly certain of is that he really wants to stink up the place and aggravate leflaw
with whom he's had a grudge against
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:25 PM
The largest Irony is that for all his hatred
of lef and this site, he must spend at
least as much time here as some of the most dedicated, CONTRIBUTING visitors/posters.
I spend so much time here because
A. I believe in the site and it's purpose.
B. I LIKE the people who visit and run it
( tho opinions vary on issues )
C. Health issues give me a lot of time
at home to spend here
( also ironically, those same issues
prevent me from seeking a more
active role in the site :( ),
Hate and obsession is , apparently, our
trolls only motivation.
Heh, and WE'RE the losers ?
I think not. |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 2:40 PM
He's certainly changing no one's mind about anything. He'll come here and rag on us because the site does not measure up to his expectations, but has never offered a link where we can view his high-traffic, obviously superior, literary genius. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 3:14 PM
I hate to see the problems here with the site, but I know they'll get them resolved sooner or later. And kudos to all you regulars for hanging in there. :) |
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OsamaObama
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 3:23 PM
"we can view his high-traffic, obviously superior, literary genius."
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
lol |
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pepe512000
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 3:28 PM
Any man can make a mistake; only a fool keeps making the same one.
Yes, you do...... |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 3:48 PM
" Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare "
And the fool is easy to identify. |
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captdunsel
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 4:54 PM
Cursum perficio.
Verbum sapienti:
quo plus habent,
eo plus cupient.
Post nubila, Phoebus
Iternum
e pluribus unum
dominic pass the biscuits
my los ass is tired
and a whole bunch of other latin words |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 5:08 PM
ROFL
WITH captdunsel |
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TotallyFrust...
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Date: November 29, 2006 @ 8:31 PM
Well, I've been hanging in there along with the other "Old Timers". I've been checking both sites, but I think I'll hang here until the other site gets ironed out.
As far as the earlier comments from our new resident troll concerning folks leaving....In your dreams. I've been out here for four years and plan on staying as long as there is a site to go to. I have simply not wanted to accidently scare you off with any feedback. After all, I haven't had such a long running stream of old fashioned stooge style comedy in years.
Seriously, GeriatricJackAss (or whatever you name is. The page tuncates, so this is my best guess from the available characters), you have proven to be the most generous person I have ran into to date. Every time you open you mouth you give away your stupidity.
Hang in there all...Despite the internal site woes, we are making a difference. I have seen the boycott spread to device makers and software vendors. The DRM tragedy is slowly awakening the masses and the efforts of sites such as this do help in the cause. I have seen results with family, friends and go-workers. As a matter of fact, I get e-mail almost daily from those very people telling me how they avoided getting sucked into purchasing this CRAP. I also know that many are frequent visitors because they point out new posts.
Thanks to everyone for being here and thank you Shmoo for sticking it out for so long. Those of us who look here to find out what's happening in the Copywrong world appreciate all the effort you make and feel every ounce of the pain you feel. People of lesser strength would have given up long ago. |
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Twarrior
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 3:07 AM
Hey Pinky! Err... Shmoo! Guess what we're doing tonight? Trying to let Independent Music take over THE WORLD! So, with all that in mind, and the "uber top secret" (until leflaw lets me know certian faxed info made it and ignites the pilot on yea ole BRIAA furnace for me hehe) stuff that leflaw, you and I have discussed in the last few days -- while I'm hard at work with my evil plans to help make the RIAA's life even more of a living hell than the graves they've already dug for themselves -- would you be a buddy and take my articles from boycottriaa.com and post them here too? Please? :-)
And why is this post dated December 26th, 2006?? You mean I missed Santa?! Well fuck... it's begining to smell alot like.... like... like... articles that need to be posted! Chop chop! :-) |
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Twarrior
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 3:15 AM
Oh and hey Shmoo -- give me a call and i'll give you a sneak peek at some of the uber top secret evilness that we shall soon unleash onto the RIAA for their transgressions! Muhahahah! :-) |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 9:07 AM
ah, the chameleon and his various username disguises
but no matter what name you give to shit
it's still shit
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 9:13 AM
alright, with this caveat:
notwithstanding recognizing that the troll ostensibly IS against the riaa and on our side in that regard
it's just that his divisive and strident nature
has to be viewed as causing harm along with his good intentions/effort, if you get my drift,
and this is what i'm in opposition to
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 9:17 AM
that's why i'm hoping the likes of 1854 and GeneticJackass and OsamaObama are passe. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 9:54 AM
"notwithstanding recognizing that the troll ostensibly IS against the riaa and on our side in that regard "
No, this ones not.
This trolls only goal is to harm the site,
and or humiliate it's visitors.
It doesn't care about the RIAA.
All it cares about is trouble.
"but no matter what name you give to shit
it's still shit "
Without a doubt :) |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 10:08 AM
you're probably right
at least i was covering my behind with a reservation when i said "ostensibly"
and, yeah, it might just be making a pretense about sharing our mission
just for its own posturing advantage
when, like we know, it's greatest thrust
is making trouble
just like any other troll
along with its primary motivation:
wanting to get back at leflaw
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 10:39 AM
Besides .. TWarrior isn't the troll :) |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 11:09 AM
yeah, i figured that out
that's why i only mentioned 1854, Genetic..., and Osama....
we can hope the troll's computer number has been banned
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 2:08 PM
"we can hope the troll's computer number has been banned"
Ohhh Pleaseeeeee!!!!! This? The same guy who can't get the other website off the ground and could understand the very basics of disarming rootkit???
"No, this ones not.This trolls only goal is to harm the site,and or humiliate it's visitors."
You're full of shit Dreddsneak..as always..I am against the RIAA as much as the next man. I support Indie artists and want to put an end to what is being called music today and peddled
as pop culture. gdZiemann for once "is" correct..I am against how the site is run and wish for a more proactive approach to taking on the RIAA.
But what do I know...I'm just the Genetic Jack Hammer oozing my jizz all over ShadowMom!....Unleashing more Shadowtrolls on the world.
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 2:13 PM
That would be "couldn't" understand the very basics of disarming rootkit???
Anyone who wishes to view Leflaw’s computer literacy and techie expertise and check it out here. Funnystuff.
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/19453
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Twarrior
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 4:28 PM
PerilousTimes -- when you make assumptions you become the troll :-) Whomever you think i might be, you're wrong :-) If you wish to verify my identity shoot an email to Shmoo. He's a friend of mine. In fact he is the one who told me to give leflaw a call about the maters i can not reveal until i'm told i have permission to. I'm just having some respect because I'm not sure if leflaw would get mad at me for revealing everything right now and i've heard having leflaw mad at ya isn't too fun :-)
So lets all calm down and focus on the real enemy -- the RIAA :-)
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Twarrior
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 4:47 PM
Genetic -- i agree with you. Thats a part of my purpose here just waiting for leflaw to give me the green light on a few things. In all honesty, and this is as much as i feel comfortable revealing right now -- i've been hired by leflaw as an admin on this site. I needed to fax some stuff to him before he can give me all the admin info and i'm waiting for him to let me know the faxes made it and to give me whatever he feels i need to do what needs to be done. So my hands are tied until i have the go ahead. If *anyone* is in doubt of my words, email Shmoo. He's the one that told me to talk to leflaw. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 5:07 PM
Twarrior, no one was questioning you. That was simply a misunderstanding due to the timing of those posts. If you can help, cool. As for that other guy-- who I am positive is shooting blanks-- I don't care how many names you use, you still have nothing to say. You never did. |
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Mike2212
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 5:07 PM
I've been lurking for a while, reading the posts and have been trying to decide what category OsamaObama, 1854, Genetic... fits into.
Perhaps, he is the Troglodyte,
Troglodyte seems to have emerged from the mists of time untouched by human evolution. Devoid of a single progressive idea and lacking the slightest awareness of social and cultural advances, Troglodyte has developed an incoherent political philosophy that he characterizes as "conservative" or "libertarian", but which could be more accurately described as "bigoted narcissism". His aggressive posturing often frightens off weaker, more timid Warriors. In pitched battle, however, Troglodyte easily loses control and his attack quickly degenerates into a rant. Just for the fun of it, Weenie, Issues. Pinko and Evil Clown will sometimes deliberately goad him into a towering rage. |
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Mike2212
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 5:10 PM
or, could he be the "Rebel Without a Clue"
Rebel Without a Clue's deep seated and infantile hostility to authority motivates his random and seemingly gratuitous attacks on list owners, Admins, Nannies or anyone else who attempts to maintain order and civility in discussion forums. Differing markedly from Rebel Leader, he is unattached to any cause other than petulance for its own sake, and will therefore seldom inspire general insurrection. In his frequent and ineffectual attacks on the established order he will often cite the Bible, or the US Constitution to support incoherent arguments. Rebel Without a Clue NEVER reads forum FAQs , and loudly decries as fascism any enforcement whatsoever of forum rules.
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Twarrior
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 5:29 PM
I personally think that battling trolls in the comments field is definately counter productive. I think they should be scolded in private mail. So i guess with that, the troll topic is over -- i hope! :-) |
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gdZiemann
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 5:55 PM
Every year, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, we get the "take a more proactive approach to taking on the RIAA" complaint, and it's always the same person, the same argument, the same tactic. You want us to attack, go into the stores and mess up CDs so they can't sell them, protest in front of Tower Records, etc., etc.
None of that will change anything.
Knowledge is power. Seven years ago, I didn't know what the RIAA was. I knew the record labels screwed the artists on a regular basis, but I didn't understand how they did it.
Now we all know.
It is up to the musicians to change the status quo. |
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 6:05 PM
re: "the troll topic is over -- i hope! :-)"
it probably isn't (well, perhaps for this thread it could be, but i even doubt that)
because the troll, with more than one username, keeps chiming in periodically to insult people and belittle the efforts of this website
"I personally think that battling trolls in the comments field is definitely counter-productive."
agreed
maybe i'll just not post |
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Twarrior
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 6:11 PM
PerilousTimes -- posting or not is entirely up to you. But everyone needs to have some control over themselves. If you don't, then perhaps you shouldn't. But as gdZiemann has already said -- no amount of "attacking" be it how this wbesite is run or smashing up cd displays is going to aid in what we're trying to do. Knowledge is truly power and only cooperating with eachother will get the job done. |
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Twarrior
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 6:13 PM
A suggestion to anyone else who feels in an attacking mood -- even if you disagree with whats going on here -- maybe that energy is better spent submitting an article about it. This site does welcome *all* points of view. I think regardless of opinion -- the best "textual good" can be done in submitting articles about your concerns so that everyone can know about them and discuss them. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 6:40 PM
" agreed
maybe i'll just not post "
"PerilousTimes -- posting or not is entirely up to you. "
True and not true.
This points out another of our trolls
goals.
Run people off the site.
How many lurkers fear to post, simply
because they don't feel like getting bashed ?
"But everyone needs to have some control over themselves. "
Absolutely.
But, then, there is always the one .. like
this one, that obeys no rule but their own.
So ..
Here we sit, again, being pounded by the SAME troll, over and over again.
"Knowledge is truly power and only cooperating with eachother will get the job done. "
Absolutely true.
So, since the troll contributes nothing,
adds nothing, intends to add nothing ...
It should be banned ... again.
Free speech has nothing to do with
taking a dump on the floor of your host.
"the best "textual good" can be done in submitting articles about your concerns so that everyone can know about them and discuss them. "
Good, true, but any REAL discussion will
not take place, because of the trolls
ad-hominem thread jacks.
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captdunsel
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 7:09 PM
i listened to black sabbath at 78 speed once
what happened?
I saw god |
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ShadowMom
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 7:32 PM
You actually saw her? I'm speechless. :rofl: |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 8:40 PM
"Free speech has nothing to do with
taking a dump on the floor of your host."
That seems like leflaw talk...Sure you're not Larry posting under different names?? Of course you are...
"it's always the same person, the same argument, the same tactic. You want us to attack, go into the stores and mess up CDs so they can't sell them, protest in front of Tower Records, etc., etc."
So gdZiemann as you well know I never posted "once" at the new site...Not once...And that site was averaging about two or three posts max..And you're blaming me??? Knowledge is power? Maybe...But I fail to see any real progress that this site is making to further any agenda. I see a lot of blahh blahh blaah for you Ziemann while kids are buying up Ipods by the millions loaded with drm. That tells me one of two things, that your message isn't reaching the masses and you're all talking shit...Or that this "movement" needs to move in a different direction. I understand that the average age for those in charge here is over 50 so one can understand the reluctance to change.. so be it. Another Holiday is here and the RIAA grows fatter while you all worry about trolls.
I challenge any members or lurkers alike to list where exactly this site is going wrong and where there can be improvements. Where does is start?? Is it the leadership? Is it the tactics? Is it the elders?
I will not attack anyone who comes forward...Let's once and for all see exactly if the numbers measure up. An open challenge to anyone!!! Let's see if 500 people come forward...300..100...50....25.
Don’t be shy.
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 8:41 PM
And by 500 posts I don't mean PerilousTimes posting over and over and over again.
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 8:48 PM
Ziemann let's see 1,000 posts here tonight...New members new names from all over the Internet.
Put the numbers to the test! We'll see exactly who's with. If I see 1,000 new members I'll leave never to return...Ever!
Dreddsneak...Better get busy creating all those new names!!! |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 8:54 PM
IPod sales in the US
First quarter results of 2006, Apple reported earnings of US$565 million.
Fiscal quarter iPods sold
2002 Q1 125,000 [50]
2002 Q2 57,000 [51]
2002 Q3 54,000 [citation needed]
2002 Q4 140,000 [52]
2003 Q1 219,000 [citation needed]
2003 Q2 78,000 [53]
2003 Q3 304,000 [54]
2003 Q4 336,000 [55]
2004 Q1 733,000 [56]
2004 Q2 807,000 [57]
2004 Q3 860,000 [58]
2004 Q4 2,016,000 [59]
2005 Q1 4,580,000 [60]
2005 Q2 5,311,000 [61]
2005 Q3 6,155,000 [62]
2005 Q4 6,451,000 [63]
2006 Q1 14,043,000 [64]
2006 Q2 8,526,000 [65]
2006 Q3 8,111,000 [66]
2006 Q4 8,729,000 [67]
Total 67,642,000
Keep yapping George!
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 8:56 PM
That's 67,642,000 loaded with DRM.
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PerilousTimes
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Date: November 30, 2006 @ 9:20 PM
re: ". . . I don't mean PerilousTimes posting over and over and over again."
don't worry; it won't happen, so you'll have to find another reason to bitch
and i'm certain that won't be hard for you to do
Leitraot, everyone!
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 12:28 AM
Perilous Times, every voice is needed. Don't let him chase you away. |
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otech
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 1:13 AM
Haven't been here in a while but glad to see the old familiar gang is around...
Hi Shmoo, ShadowMom, gdZiemann, pepe512000 etc.
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Twarrior
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 5:10 AM
My overall point is simply that in the event of troll insurgency (and in the mean time before any sort of banning can take place) all you (the collective "you" not pointing any specific fingers at anyone) are doing by replying to the troll is feeding his fire -- and that is what he wants. Notice my replies are directed at the non-trolls encouraging an end to the discussion of trolling. When i said "then maybe you should not post" I do not mean that as an "all encompasing statement". I mean if your responce is going to be "heated" and completely derail the goals the thread is trying to accomplish, then remain silent if you've so little control over yourself. Only reply if you're going to add productive statements towards the goals and purpose of what is supposed to be discussed. I've delt with tons of trolls on echomail networks in the bbs scene as well as usenet and really -- if you ignore them, they go away. Why? Because you're not giving them what they want if you ignore them. If you continue to engage them, you're playing right into their hands. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 5:14 AM
Oh and by the way -- don't think it to be impossible for the RIAA to send agents into this website to troll and attempt to disrupt our operations. Wouldn't you all feel very stupid for playing into the hands of the RIAA? I would. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 5:35 AM
Genetic --
"I will not attack anyone who comes forward...Let's once and for all see exactly if the numbers measure up. An open challenge to anyone!!! Let's see if 500 people come forward...300..100...50....25."
If you've come to attack anyone then i find it highly unlikely that you're at all concerned with who runs this operation, how it's run nor anything else about it.
You'd also be very surprised how many people involved with operations here are in their 20's, 30's and 40's and not "over 50" as you've said.
However, the age of who runs things is truly irrelevent. It is how they are run that maters. We already have identified the problems and measures are being taken to correct them. However, this site is a public service. It doesn't bring the money pile rolling in. As such -- even though some people do get "paid" for "helping out" alot also don't, either. Among those who get paid -- it's not exactly 6 figures with full medical and a 401k.
Someone working at Mc Donalds gets paid more than anyone "working" for BRIAA or Dmusic. You know why? We accept what little can be provided because the fact that we support the cause and enjoy our work makes up for any sort of monetary deficit.
Happiness comes from living a good life and being proud of ones accomplishments. Not from piles of money.
You'll find happier people in the homeless shelters than you'll find working for the rich and all powerful RIAA.
If you can create a more productive website then feel free and we'd be more than happy to endorse it. If you have coding or HTML skill then talk to leflaw and offer to help correct these things that you feel need to be corrected.
Yes, I'm a brand new BRIAA / Dmusic employee (just waiting for all the paper work to proccess and for the green light soto speak, etc..). What I will be getting paid, isn't much. I'm 28 years old, not over 50. I run legalmusicsearch.com on my home servers as my personal way of helping this fight against the RIAA. I've been a computer technicial (among other things) for 13 years. I used to participate in a radio show that would confront and reveal the shady tactics of corporations by actually calling those coroprations and netcasting the calls.
Even though the show had all of only 4 episodes, you can hear them on ospreynet.info. They're pretty amusing, actually.
The fight against the RIAA is one of few battles in life you can wage and honestly be able to say "I enjoy doing it!"
So I encourage you to lend us a hand, or, as i've already said -- if you can not speak your mind without hostility, then i'd suggest you "not post".
Sorry for the small book -- but i also figured all of the lurkers need to know that we are doing everything within our power. But anything worth doing, is done in time. Time is what the "T" in "Twarrior" stands for :-)
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Dreddsnik
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 7:16 AM
" if you ignore them, they go away. Why? Because you're not giving them what they want if you ignore them. If you continue to engage them, you're playing right into their hands. "
This one's a little different TWarrior.
This one's span here has actually been
years.
If you ignore this one, it creates it's
own responders.
If you ignore those, it goes to vulgarity.
It will eventually attack every single poster.
This troll has a very personal agenda.
So , while turning the other cheek is all
noble and righteous, sometimes it really
doesn't work. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:12 AM
A little story for your amusement. We all suspected it would come to this new revenue stream for the big bad labels. Now, it seems it's a proven fact.
Warner Music Posts 4Q Profit |
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:19 AM
Wonderful.
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72214-0.html?tw=wn_index_1
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brenthannah
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:47 AM
Wow gfmlcka, that is one frightening story.
So it is legal to obtain a persons telephone/financial/ etc. records through fraudulant means in Kalifornia?
The difference between fraud and "pretexting" is ......... ? George Orwell would love this. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:48 AM
California voters need to do some homework and make a list of legislators who don't respect their privacy. And vote those people into a whole new lifestyle. :) I especially like the remark about the ripple effect. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:50 AM
Lol... brenthannah, I would say the difference is -- who's doing it. And that's the only difference I can see. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:57 AM
Twarrior I like your style, maybe you can get something done right for once around here.
Where are all those lurkers?? I see nothing close to 1,000....mmm.
Things look weak...Twarrior/Codewarrior/whatever has their work cut out for them. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 10:04 AM
"However, the age of who runs things is truly irrelevent."
Sure it is...The age of a lot of those Ipod owners are more than likely under 18. Think they're going to listen to old farts over 50?
That's why the site is boring with gdZiemann's endless blahh blahh blahh. Place needs so young blood with fresh ideas.
Twarrior/Codewarrior/whatever...I really hope you are 28. I already see a sense of energy lacking from this page for along time. Good luck...I'll be coming at you hard!
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 10:59 AM
The age of a lot of those iPod buyers is probably over 18... and they probably vote, too. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 11:18 AM
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/11672/
37%
18-34 |
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gdZiemann
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 12:00 PM
"while kids are buying up Ipods by the millions loaded with drm."
iPods don't come with DRM. If your iPod sales numbers are accurate, then that means the iTunes music store has sold less than 3 DRM-wrapped songs for every iPod sold.
"The age of a lot of those Ipod owners are more than likely under 18."
And they're not buying DRM'ed tracks because they don't have any money.
"So gdZiemann as you well know I never posted "once" at the new site...Not once"
Of course not. Then we would have your e-mail address and you wouldn't be tolerated.
I was talking about right here.
"Another Holiday is here and the RIAA grows fatter"
Really? This year's sales might match 1990, if they're lucky. A 7 to 15% drop in sales this year.
"But I fail to see any real progress that this site is making to further any agenda."
Of course you don't. Wouldn't expect you to. We can all see from your posts that facts and logical reasoning are not in your toolbox.
Dissing someone's knowledge because of their age? How much do you pay to go to college? Are all your professors teenagers?
If you want to change things, you don't do it by throwing a little hissy fit and insulting everyone that you expect to do your bidding. Sure, it's fun, but at least I'm old enough to know that it's not gonna do anything but chase everyone away or make them figure out how to exclude you, wasting any time (mostly volunteered time, btw) they may have had available to spend on something productive, like the DMusic artist features that have been appearing.
So continue your rant if you must, but I'm not listening any longer. It's the same way I boycott the RIAA's music or when my daughter whines. I just don't listen to it until the behavior changes. It's not there. End of problem.
Twarrior -- Tell fu-dog that what we need is an "Ignore Posts from..." list. Kind of like the Buddy list. |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 1:08 PM
" "So gdZiemann as you well know I never posted "once" at the new site...Not once"
Of course not. Then we would have your e-mail address and you wouldn't be tolerated. "
Bingo.
FTW
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pepe512000
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 1:12 PM
I don't think trolls would like the new site for fear of being deleted....they must be heard, (read?) at all costs.... |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 3:13 PM
Still waiting for those 1,000 lurkers, new members, anyone but the same old tired names.
Surely they should be coming at me in your defense by now huh? You’d think the quick witted Dreddsneak would have dug up somebody to combat me. Nevermind 1,000 new members..I’d be happy with just 50...That’s at lest a far number of names Shadowmom could spend all day making up. Lord knows she has nothing else bettern to do with her time. Better get cracking girl…The site is looking awful weak for lack of new members!
"Of course not. Then we would have your e-mail address and you wouldn't be tolerated."
Something I also notice was few new members...Two to three posts max..That's why you're closing it down because nobody even bothered to care.
But you stick to that story of retooling. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 3:18 PM
"I don't think trolls would like the new site for fear of being deleted....they must be heard, (read?) at all costs...."
Of course once again we also haven't heard from any new members...Do not be fooled....The site is down for lack of posts...Period! |
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Dreddsnik
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 3:56 PM
" Of course once again we also haven't heard from any new members...Do not be fooled....The site is down for lack of posts...Period! "
I know how much you would like people
to believe that.
The deal is ....
We were hit by spammers ... hard.
Turns out, they managed to stick some
sort of spam-bot in the site.
I tried to fix it .. myself .. instead of
being content, as I should have been,
deleting spam posts before they could
be read.
My fix ruined the ability for everyone to
post.
I .. ruined .. the site.
Not lack of posts.
not lack of interest.
Incompetence .. yes.
It was getting pretty lively, until I
personally fucked it up .. me.
Why do I say this here ? ( i already
said my piece on the old site ),
I won't let you lie and mislead anyone
about why the other site is down.
Retooling, repair, that's a fact.
Call me a screwup all you wish,
I have already accepted that title, and
made my peace/apologies to shmoo.
I tried my best to make things work.
You do you're best to tear things down.
I am at least honest about it. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 4:32 PM
Past is past. The problems will be resolved. At least you tried to help, Dreddsnik. |
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pepe512000
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 4:57 PM
Dreddsnik....don't be so hard on yourself..we're all just humans here..I think :)
We make mistakes, a lot, all the time..at least you are big enough to admit it and move on..kudos to you for that! |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 6:28 PM
Question for you all: What did you think of the new site? Did you like it? Dislike it? |
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gdZiemann
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 7:49 PM
I like it better here, but I don't know why.
Dreddsnik -- Gotta admit, you stopped the spammers. So it wasn't a failure. It was a success with undocumented features. |
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 7:53 PM
Prefer this site with comments.
Clean, simple and works.
Kudos Dredd for your efforts, I wasn't aware.
We're trying to build a bridge here between
artists and fans, circumventing the RIAA toll road. Trolls are to be expected but are easily ignored.
FWIW an honest self-deprecating 'snik is worth more than a dozen self-defecating trolls anyday.
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 8:01 PM
captdunsel, did she look like Alanis? |
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IFeelFree
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 8:05 PM
Yeah, I like the simplicity of this site. The trolls are a problem, unfortunately. |
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pepe512000
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:43 PM
This site has always been awesome and so easy to use...the other site has the editing features which are great, taking care of typos, etc....probably have to go with this site though. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 9:47 PM
I don't think they've given up on the other one, pepe. It just has to wait till DMusic gets straightened out, unless Mike gets some help with it. I just wondered what your reactions were to the new layout, the new features, etc. |
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pepe512000
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 10:38 PM
Tough question to really answer, as both sites come with good and not so good features...ok, the picture on the front of the new layout, not so good..it's kind of creepy..but the editing tools, awesome. And of course the polls...great. In the news is ok, except if you want to make a direct comment, you couldn't.
Anyone else care to critique? |
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 11:33 PM
front picture is creepy, would rather see the RIAA toilet paper I linked to.
editing tools were great, especially after a few brewskis.
submitting articles should be easier, perhaps metamoderated to get to the front page.
would be nice if the next/previous/end/who's online buttons worked under Firefox 1.5.08.
(yes I allow javascript for this site)
Can't vote without cookies enabled?
Sorry, no cookie for you.
Ability to easily link to (just) images ala Fark would be interesting.
Just a wishlist.
I'll support, advertise and contribute to this site as long as Glickman, Bainwol and Sherman insist on putting the Ass in Association of America.
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 1, 2006 @ 11:44 PM
:rofl: I think the toilet paper should be on the front page... Thanks for the feedback. :nod: |
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captdunsel
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:53 AM
actually, God looked a lot like a third grade math teacher I had years ago. She was really tall and for being a 44 year old woman she was remarkably attractive. at least that's what I told her when she caught me trying to look up her skirt in the cafeteria. (didn't work I still got a paddling).
It was a terribly humilitating and traumatizing event from my formative years that has left me scarred, bitter and angry. I probably would have been better off not to bring it up.
damn black sabbath anyway, I'm throwing that cd away. (master of reality)
yet another reason to boycott riaa music. |
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captdunsel
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:54 AM
is this thread dead yet? |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:30 AM
I think that story you just shared with us may have done the trick, capt!! |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 1:23 PM
Actually, this thread is starting to look a lot like a confessional. Any more stories to share? :) |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 1:56 PM
Date: December 1, 2006 @ 10:04 AM
"However, the age of who runs things is truly irrelevent."
Sure it is...The age of a lot of those Ipod owners are more than likely under 18. Think they're going to listen to old farts over 50?
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When listening is what makes money -- I think they'll listen to 90 year old grandmothers if theres enough of them to be worth listening to.
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That's why the site is boring with gdZiemann's endless blahh blahh blahh. Place needs so young blood with fresh ideas.
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Young is a state of mind, not a physical age. My friend Taylor is in his 60's and I think he'll be "younger" than you are or could ever hope to be. Just because you age, does not mean you have to "get old". Your flamatory attitude makes you older than the oldest person in the guinus books.
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Twarrior/Codewarrior/whatever...I really hope you are 28. I already see a sense of energy lacking from this page for along time. Good luck...I'll be coming at you hard!
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Your idle threats are meaningless. If i obtain enough control within the administrative ranks around here -- you'll bounce yourself off me to the point of receiving a concussion. Trust me -- people like you are the real problem with sites like this. As far as your continued grudge against leflaw -- I happen to like his style. You lack any style, tact or point what so ever. Your compliments towards me do not compell me to appreciate you. Words are meaningless. Actions back words. Until you start acting in a way that shows me you care about the cause against the RIAA -- you and I will be adversaries.
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Twarrior I like your style, maybe you can get something done right for once around here
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Stick your attempts at arse kissing in a deep dark hole. I'm not impressed. I think
Dreddsnik may be unfortunately right about you. You're pretty persistant. And if you ever compare me to leflaw -- have no doubts that thats the only thing you could ever say to me that i'd take as a compliment.
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OsamaObama
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 6:46 PM
What a Jackass
So much for your challenge Genetic They couldn't even get 20 to post nevermind 500 And that lame story by Dreddsnik to cover ass Twarrior the new hardass that ends up doing shit for nobody Scumbag is all talk no action Fuck this site Its good for nothin Dont bother wasting your time
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 8:00 PM
Easy there Big Dave....
Boycott Riaa New Hero can be located right here!!!
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27051195/?qo=80&q=by%3Atwarrior&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
andddddddddd here!!!
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27056541/?qo=76&q=by%3Atwarrior&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
Yeah I know...I'm scared too.
Kind of has that Robert John Bardo look.
http://www.franksreelreviews.com/shorttakes/shaeffer/bardo2.JPG
Creepy!! |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 8:34 PM
Astute quotes from their esteem colleague I give you the honorable Twarrior.
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"George W Gump: Life is like a box of weapons of mass destruction, what you fear doesn't exist."
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Liberal! No shock there
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"Anything that in my opinion doesn't suck."
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Umm ahhh ok well let's move on shall we?
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"George W Bush. He makes stupidity an art form."
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And which our resident genius follows with...
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"Sorry, i can't seem to rememeber the url to that pr0n site."
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And lastly from Einstein....
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"I plead the first -- FUCK YOU!"
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Hey has my vote as BRIAA messiah!
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:09 PM
Messiah? With your usual flair, you've overstated your case. But I think he'll fit in very well in this hotbed of liberalism. And he can help the site--in what way do you? And this is a serious question. How do you support indie artists? Do you listen? Do you buy? Who? And how do you help this site? |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:27 PM
That is a very good question Shadowmom....
Coming from somebody who didn't even know one of the most acclaimed Indie artist of the late 80's early 90's...
The Meat Puppets!!!
That in itself is Indie Rock sacrilege!!!
As for "hotbed of liberalism" that must be why the site is "really" bringing in 2 to 3 posts max.
Don't worry Shadowmom what I'm doing...You don't know me from Adam...My question to you is ...when did I ever see you promote an Indie band in your post? You're from Florida correct? Have you once given notice to the rest of us who's the band that's hot there? Who to seek out? Just what "is" the Indie scene down there..Where are the Hotspots to see great music?
Funny Shadow..I know much more about your politics than I do your musical taste.
Hell even Shmoo threw out a couple names of bands from time to time.
If this is your Media Matters Moment maybe I and the rest of the public should leave you alone...Seeing 2 to 3 posts on the threads
I’d say they’re doing just that!
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:30 PM
Well, Jack/Osama/Gadfly... thank you for verifying who you are. And you didn't answer a serious question. I did not ask who you were, or what Shmoo does. I asked you a serious simple question. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:42 PM
Wow, that was quite amusing. However, I expected that (and he even used a second alias to attempt to make his non-existant points also! woot!). Well, I'm just going to notate -- *just* for fun -- exactly how much he's made me laugh and exactly why :-)
First and foremost, I do not recall having given out my Deviant Art information -- so this tells me this person is so lifeless that he scoured the Internet for hours attempting to dig up (what he thought was) dirt on me. The only props I can give him is for his ability to locate information. So at least we know he has skill -- if not brains.
Second -- the pictures he located are *old*. This is what "our new hero" looks like? LOL. Haven't looked like that for quite sometime -- as my Avatar on the upper left corner of the page shows (taken the begining of this year, but I haven't really changed that much since then. Still look the same).
Thirdly -- I better have his vote -- seeing as i've got the lower front co-co nuts to say what needs to be said *and* back it with facts. I've yet to figure out what his beef is with this website (which also makes me suspect that he might possibly be an RIAA Employee -- I wouldn't put *anything* past those guys).
Now, I'll follow up with some fun I plan on having when leflaw gets done with proccessing the legal paperwork employment stuff and gives me all the admin info I need to get going.
#1 - this tool isn't the only person who's good at "finding information" ... first I will check the system logs for BRIAA and see what his ip address is (and any other information).
#2 - I'l give his ISP a friendly call -- ask about the weather, how the reps day was -- and of course -- if the ISP could be so kind as to remove this persons account for us and that we'd appreciate it greatly.
#3 - If I can manage to somehow find out this individuals real information (sometimes I can, sometimes i can't) I'll be posting his real name, address, phone #, etc... on this website so that any of you who feel they might wanna return his generocity he's bestowed upon this website can have their fun.
#4 - if this guy happens to be an RIAA employee -- i'm sure his ass will be leflaw's.
Now that this public service message have been concluded -- we now return you to our regularly scheduled troll. :-)
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:45 PM
He's busy scouring the stuff from the last two years so he can avoid answering my question again. And Twarrior, I'm going to send you a Dnote. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:49 PM
Well if I am all those people...Doesn't take genius to see that they....or...I...LoL Have thrown a name out there from time to time.
Hell I google gadfly and I get this....
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/18799
I check out you and I get this...
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/17399
Once AGAIN I know more about your politics....Than anything you've done for artists. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:50 PM
And that's mild in compassion to other posts I've seen from time to time. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:52 PM
Wish I was that Gadfly...That boy has some good ideas there. |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 9:56 PM
One article from a year ago and one from a year and a half do not impress me. Stop searching the archives, stay away from google, if you can, and answer the question. How do you help this site? |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:03 PM
Do I have an open invitation to lend my expertise? |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:08 PM
A simple question. Not an invitation. I have no authority. I just would like to know what you think you add to the site. |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:18 PM
"If I can manage to somehow find out this individuals real information (sometimes I can, sometimes i can't) I'll be posting his real name, address, phone #, etc... on this website so that any of you who feel they might wanna return his generocity he's bestowed upon this website can have their fun."
That will be followed with legal action. As well as contacting the FBI in which I'll give information that I've saved over the years as well as Lef’s threat of a government official....Actions I'm sure under the Patriot act should shut this place down. As well as contacting certain law partners and well as the local press to warn of the unlawful actions one of their own lawyers are doing in the area.
I "will" hold the owners and the people working for this website responsible!
Hacking “is” a crime folks...... |
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:27 PM
Twarrior I've saved this thread if you go ahead with your threats....I will not hesitate to act if need be. I will hold you and your friends here accountable. I will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law....Period! |
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:40 PM
I think you just answered my question. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:40 PM
Actually -- the information to which i refer is legal according to the freedom of information act. However your actions on this site are harassment and illegal. You could be nailed for cyber stalking and whatever else. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:42 PM
Oh and by the way I never said i'd hack anyone. I don't even know how to hack in all honesty. lol ... maybe it was the whole ip reference. If so, you know NOTHING of how servers are run. Connect to *any* website on the internet and your current ip is logged. However, i'm glad to see i've got you running scared to go off on such a tirad. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 10:45 PM
Oh and one other thing, just to make things fair so you don't cry and piss yourself:
David B Kelso
6500 W Irving Psrk Road
Chicago, IL 60634
Phone: (773) 205-4410
DOB: 03/08/1978
Age: 28
Ok, your turn! :-)
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:11 PM
"However, i'm glad to see i've got you running scared to go off on such a tirad."
Running scared? Hardly!!! What I do have though is somebody making a public threat against a woman...Something that "could" be viewed as a "Credible Threat."
But just what is Cyber Stalking?
Well!
1) "Credible Threats"
A threat made to physically attack a person....
2) "Following"
Many of the general harassment and stalking laws in the USA originally required that the stalker be physically following their target in order to be convicted of stalking - another aspect of the law which simply does not apply in cyberspace.
3) Preserving of evidence
Preservation of evidence is certainly an issue when it comes to harassment. Although harassment online usually leaves an electronic trail, the trail leads to a computer rather than an individual and establishing who was using that computer terminal at that particular time is not easy.
4) Free speech Issues
Another problem arising when trying to apply laws to harassment type behavior is that in America and other countries there are laws granting freedom of speech and there are laws forbidding harassment. When does freedom of speech become harassment?
Regarding cyberspace, the central issue appears to be whether online communications are essentially public or private in their nature. If they are seen as public places then online stalkers can claim free speech rights as a defense of their harassment.
By the way I "have" saved every and all threats that this site "has" made to fellow members and would certainly fall under the term cyber stalking...
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:17 PM
"freedom of information act"
LoL shows how much this guy knows about the law....The act explicitly applies only to federal government agencies.
Funnystuff! |
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:20 PM
Kelso, it figures.
Probably the brother of pretty boy moron Michael Kelso from 'That 70's Show'.
What a jerk.
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GeneticJackH...
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:24 PM
As for your number there...Dave! If people start harassing you under that number you better be damn sure it's me...Because if you accuse me and you're incorrect I have grounds for a countersuit
Capeesh? ... |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:26 PM
How can i take someone seriously who confuses "hacking" with ip server logs? lol
Also -- I couldn't be the brother of a fictional charicter. Oh -- and Santa Clause isn't real, either. :-)
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:27 PM
How can you counter sue when no initial suit has been filed to counter? LOL! Dude, you should be a commedian. Seriousluy. Go apply at Comedy Central or something. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:32 PM
Oh and as for proof of phone harassment, you need not worry. I've got counter measures to annonymous callers to locate the information. VOIP has many, many, many bennefits! :-D
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:33 PM
Osama's Mama :
"Fuck this site Its good for nothin Dont bother wasting your time"
Please continue wasting yours though, nothing pleases us more here than to see RIAA money spent for naught. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:40 PM
I'm sure some of the trolls here are just 13 year old idiots or something -- but i think the more persistant ones might be RIAA employees. As i've said -- it wouldn't surprise me.
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:41 PM
Grrrrh, thought Kelso was Genetic.
Apololologies.
Genetics/Gadflys IP could just appear on Usenet though. Hint. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 2, 2006 @ 11:57 PM
Please be more detailed as to your hints :-) The way you responded I was thinking you were the troll under another alias. lol ... he seems to have so many.
Appology accepted, no worries. Once leflaw gives me the green light i'm gonna do as much as i can here -- and DNS Banning troublemakers will be among the priorities. So he better have his fun while he can. Because i'm gonna do my best to not only blacklist his ip but inform his isp as to his activities.
I just hope BRIAA supports wildcard bans. Will make life a bit easier.
For the moment however, this thread as become just a bit more than boring. I think my best action for now is silence about this topic until I get the access to turn my previous words into actions :-)
Any questions can goto time.warrior@legalmusicsearch.com
My server *does* have blacklisting abilities so if mr troll wants to send me something stupid so i know what ip to shitcan -- he's certianly welcome to.
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ShadowMom
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Date: December 3, 2006 @ 12:10 AM
Twarrior is not the troll, gfmlcka is not the troll. Right now he uses two names. You know both of them. |
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 3, 2006 @ 12:17 AM
Fair enough.
As to the hint, suppose a newsgroup named, oh I dunno, alt.payback.trolls, were to be created and *somehow* his/her/its IP were
to appear there. Been dying to tryout Nettools and my new proxy string.
Anyhow, TW you seem to be a standup guy, best of luck.
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independentm...
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Date: December 3, 2006 @ 12:45 AM
No need for anything like that to happen gfmlcka.
We are always going to have "trolls" and the best thing to do is to just ignore them ...especially when they are not being useful.
If and when things get really bad, banning the IP should be plenty strong enough action. |
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gfmlcka
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Date: December 3, 2006 @ 12:56 AM
What I've always said Mike.
Just a backup plan. |
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independentm...
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Date: December 3, 2006 @ 12:59 AM
Folks, I appologize for being away the past few days. I will start a new "Welcome" in a day or two when I actually have time and access to my own PC so I can get some work done. (Been doing the out-of-town day-job thingy)
I also have a ton of articles to post.
...not to mention a lot of coordination with leflaw and TWarrior that needs done in order to improve things.
Gonna log off of here before I get into too much trouble for using the company's computer to do "personal" things. See you all Sunday and/or Monday, depending on how my schedual works out. |
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Twarrior
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Date: December 3, 2006 @ 12:31 PM
Thanks for verifying who and what I am (or rather, am waiting on leflaw to become hehe). At least now anyone who may have still been semi-doubtful can rest easy at this point:-)
Yes Mike, there will always be Trolls. Just as there will always be burlgars. However, this is why locks and security systems were invented :-)
Seeing as I do not know what level of security BRIAA has in place for banning, filtering, etc ... this is going to be one of the first things I investigate once the access is given to me.
For a Troll to remain for as long as these Trolls tend to (or shall we say, one long-term troll with many names, as far as i've been told) in my mind should not be so easily accomplished by the troll.
Alot of the interfaces here are primative and need some cosmetic changes (among other things) and if the ability to filter is equally primative -- well -- I'm just going to have to fix that.
The software I run (www.synchro.net) has a very advanced filtering system. Should i discover that Synchronet's filter system is superior to the one at BRIAA -- then i've already got a plan of action.
Seeing as it would be utterly rediculous to expect the "already overloaded" Dmusic Techs to learn a new peice of software when they barely have time to "give it a good shake" after they use the bathroom -- I have a plan that is much more simple.
If leflaw were agreeable to helping me upgrade my bandwidth here -- my server could act as a "Centurian at the Gate" soto speak. When going to this site, my server would simply act as a passthrough to leflaw's server.
So if any trolls ended up becoming a problem -- I would check the logs on BRIAA to find out what the Trolls ip address was and then add it to my filter.
Of course the BRIAA site at this point would have to be able to deny all traffic to its ip address that did not come in as an http referer from my server (to avoid the smarter Trolls from slipping past the centurian using purely numeric ip addresses to get into BRIAA).
Hopefully this will not be nessesary. This is simply a "plan B" should i find that the BRIAA server can not filter to the level that Synchronet can.
I've got tons of measures to make BRIAA a much better place. I'm currently working on a brand new site design / layout that is more appealing to the eyes *and* is more efficient / easier to navigate.
I'll give you all a sneak peek after I feel comfortable enough with it to give leflaw a peek first :-)
Mike has already seen it so if you wish to know "if the new design is really all that good" just ask him. He seemed to be rather pleased with it so far. |
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independentm...
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Date: December 3, 2006 @ 2:31 PM
Yes Twarrior, I am very enthusiastic about the ideas you have for the site AND am tickled pink that finally it looks as if we are getting a full-time tech-wiz to help out here at Boycott Riaa (both sites!)
Now all we got to do is get leflaw and/or fuDog out of bed and get you some of those keys to the kingdom so we can get to work in earnest and turn all this into something more than just a "stupid blog" (lol)
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But seriously, don't fret the trolls too much. I have found over the years that they are actually often quite useful to bounce off of when making our points about things.
Sure, figure out technological tools/methods to combat them if/when such is needed ...but for the most part let those of our faithful participants who wish it be the ones who get down in the mud to fight with them.
I can tell you from years of experience at this site that it is a big waste our time as admin to get too personally involved and wrapped up in the recurring flame wars.
There are TONS of other things we are better off focusing on. The trolls have never caused any "harm" to Boycott Riaa beyond pissing us off and causing us to waste our time (...well, also driving away visitors who find the flame wars they ignite to be too ugly to put up with.)
When we let the trolls get our goat and we let ourselves be bothered enough to react to them, it is THEN that the trolls WIN.
Anywho, that's the way I have always looked at things. (Or, at least, have always TRIED to look at things.) |
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InsaneWayne
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Date: December 4, 2006 @ 9:26 AM
ever sit at a server?
4 sprint links, 2 trunks and ALL of NW MI dial-up.... yeah, smart man who got in on the 'net before I ever heard of it... now he drives a famous monster truck for a hobby... geese I remember back when he dated my sister (then again everybody dated my sister....)
so yeah, I used to sit at the server getting high with PheneX and XzedD (when you legally change yer real name to yer cyber-name you might be a geek) and I was amazed at the speed and at what was legal..... when you visit a site they legally have the right to all kinds of information (thank Al Gore for that). No warrent needed to look at yer desktop, yer OS, yer Whois, nor yer infomation in yer registery (among so much more). Anything I can trace using my firewall is 100% legal for me to know, use, post, ect ect
Trolls are a result of the RIAA not having the balls to open a real account and truely debate any issues. I for one would not stoop to childish insults to an actual RIAA rep here, but trolls are fair game. |
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RaidHHI
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Date: December 4, 2006 @ 2:28 PM
Wow... Huge thread..
Most of it being slop... :(
InsaneWayne,
" Anything I can trace using my firewall is 100% legal for me to know, use, post, ect ect"
Not entirely true. :) If for example, I had your IP and knew your box was vulnerable to exploits, it would still be very much illegal for me to take advantage of it/them.
At the same time, if I didn't personally do anything, but I posted complete details to.. say usenet, you could still hold me liable for it.
It's not entirely a black and white issue folks, for those who care...
Okay then, back to lurking I go. Carry on then!
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