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Odds & Ends - February 2007

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independentm...	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 5:56 PM The previous edition of "Odds & Ends": http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/21173

independentm...	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 6:00 PM Summary Judgment Battle Rages in Washington in Interscope v. Leadbetter Lawyer for Bobby and Michelle Santangelo admitted pro hac vice Medical records submitted in Elektra v. Schwartz Warner v. Cassin dismissal motion pre-motion conference adjourned to April 27th Patti Santangelo's 16-year old son Robert Counterclaims against the RIAA for "failure to warn" Best regards. Ray http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com http://info.riaalawsuits.us

independentm...	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 6:01 PM Dear IPac supporter, I want to thank you for your generous support of IPac in 2006. You helped make 2006 a banner year for balanced information policy. Here are some highlights: - 5 of our 6 candidates for federal office won their races in the midterm election. This includes Heather Wilson's tough reelection contest in New Mexico, where IPac contributions were particularly valuable in reelecting a staunch ally on many of our issues. - We helped defeat the PERFORM Act, which would have forced webcasters to use digital rights management (DRM) on their streams instead of open formats like MP3. (PERFORM is coming back this year and we will work hard to defeat it again.) - IPac supporters helped us buy over a dozen video iPods, load them with public domain and Creative Commmons-licensed material, and ship them to US Senators who work on technology and copyright policy. We also raised the profile of balanced information policy by getting coverage in traditional media outlets like the Los Angeles Times as well as web giants like Digg.com, This Week in Tech (TWiT), and BoingBoing.net. We're looking forward to 2007 and the opportunity to make an impact with the new Congress. And we hope to continue to have your support during this exciting time. Here's to a great year and thanks for all your support. Sincerely, David Alpert IPac President PS - To make a contribution to IPac, please visit: https://secure.ipaction.org/contribute.html -- Paid for by Information Policy Action Committee ("IPac") at www.IPaction.org and not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. To subscribe to this list visit http://ipaction.org/

independentm...	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 6:22 PM Web privacy advocate Cory Doctorow is on about shrinkwrap licenses, in his latest essay. They've always been onerous. Now, Doctorow says the new EULA in Vista and even the MySpace user agreement could put users at risk of being sued.

independentm...	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 6:29 PM Piracy worked for us, Romania president tells Gates

independentm...	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 6:31 PM Indie labels angry at YouTube

grumpygeezer	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 6:34 PM Gates had to know in advance what he would be in for by visiting a nation where over 1/3 of the corporations use unauthorized versions of software. From what I read, there is no prosecution going on by the government or by any other entity within the country in regard to this phenomenon.

grumpygeezer	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 6:34 PM My previous post pertained to Romania.

independentm...	Date: February 4, 2007 @ 7:59 PM Understood grumpygeezer. :)

Bushwhacker	Date: February 6, 2007 @ 4:55 AM Just out of curiosity, what does the picture have to do with staying on topic or boycotting the wonderful RIAA (sic)?

Dreddsnik	Date: February 6, 2007 @ 9:50 AM " Just out of curiosity, what does the picture have to do with staying on topic or boycotting the wonderful RIAA (sic)? " From above ... " Although this is an "open thread" - show respect to other participants. Don't be a spammer, nor a troll. " Open thread. This means the thread can contain a variety of topics .. not necessarily RIAA related.

gdZiemann	Date: February 6, 2007 @ 4:41 PM What picture?

pepe512000	Date: February 6, 2007 @ 7:19 PM Prince's halftime imagery questioned. Updated Tue. Feb. 6 2007 5:37 PM ET Associated Press NEW YORK -- In the sensitive post-wardrobe malfunction world, some are questioning whether a guitar was just a guitar during Prince's Super Bowl halftime show. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070206/prince_imagery_070206/20070206?hub=Entertainment I hate to admit I was watching this, and it did flash through my mind as to "why the sheet?" I just let it go at the time, but now I'm thinking, here we go again!

ShadowMom	Date: February 6, 2007 @ 7:20 PM On DMusic, there's a picture at the top... looks like a garage sale photo! :rofl:

kyodylee	Date: February 6, 2007 @ 7:30 PM FREE Ozzfest ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17014685/

pepe512000	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 7:35 AM Finally some good news.... Court Awards Wrongly Sued Woman Legal Fees From The RIAA; Calls Lawsuits Frivolous And Unreasonable http://techdirt.com/articles/20070206/185733.shtml

isaacfeagin	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 2:17 PM In regards to the Prince guitar issue: GET OVER IT YOU DUMBS***S!!! i feel better now

kyodylee	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 6:19 PM EFF Staff Attorney Corynne McSherry vs. RIAA President Carey Sherman On CNBC This is from the February 7, 2007 program of CNBC's Morning Call. http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/

independentm...	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 6:22 PM Here's an independent video production and video hosting site worth checking out: http://banddot.com http://banddot.blogspot.com (Great indie music resource forum) http://imaketv.com (Crowdson & Co. New Media Productions) Twarrior, you might want to permanently link these sites in the appropriate menus at the new site.

independentm...	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 8:26 PM Get ready to live under the eyes of Big Brother: CNET News.com reports that Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives announced yesterday legislation to force ISPs to keep track of what their users are doing. It's part of the Republicans 'law and order agenda,' with other components devoted to the death penalty, gangs, and terrorists. Attorney General Gonzales would be permitted to force Internet providers to keep logs of Web browsing, instant message exchanges, and e-mail conversations indefinitely. The draft bill is available online, and it also includes mandatory Web labeling for sexually explicit pages. The idea enjoys bipartisan support: a Colorado Democrat has been the most ardent supporter in the entire Congress." Sheesh, how UN-AMERICAN can you get?

independentm...	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 8:42 PM The Canadian Press reports that the Canadian government appears ready to reject net neutrality legislation.

independentm...	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 8:47 PM RIAA thinks CD's should cost more. The RIAA claims the cost of a CD has gone down significantly relative to the consumer price index. The RIAA 'Key Facts' page claims that based on the 1983 price of CDs, the 1996 price should have been $33.86. So naturally, you should feel like you're getting a bargain.

pessimist	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 9:04 PM "Get ready to live under the eyes of Big Brother." That's yet another issue serving to stoke the kind of concern that TrueAudio has been ranting about on another thread.

pessimist	Date: February 7, 2007 @ 9:06 PM on that other topic Mike mentioned: I hope the RIAA is foolish enough to price themselves out of the music market!

kyodylee	Date: February 8, 2007 @ 2:47 AM Hard Times for the Porn Industry WEB EXCLUSIVE By Brian Braiker Newsweek Updated: 3:58 p.m. PT Feb 7, 2007 Excerpt: The adult film industry is unlikely to be worth as much as it claims�and the Internet that made porn so pervasive is driving a sales slump. It�s nearly impossible to get any reliable data on how much people are making online, but anecdotal evidence suggests that it�s much less than the $2.8 billion business Adult Video News trade magazine makes it out to be. The adult industry is suffering from the same pirating woes that have increasingly been bedeviling the recording industry. Now you�ve got Google and you type in whatever you want. You�re conditioned now that you don�t have to pay for that stuff. As a result of all the free (and now, thanks to home studio technology, amateur) content circulating online, there is a glut of increasingly graphic supply and stagnant demand, according to numerous porn producers. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17033892/site/newsweek/

pessimist	Date: February 8, 2007 @ 3:29 AM Perhaps they ought to think about getting a real job now.

pessimist	Date: February 8, 2007 @ 1:49 PM pessimist Date: February 7, 2007 @ 5:25 AM regarding what some poster mentioned about "worship of all things Bush" -- Sad to say, there are even still those kind of misguided folks around, or otherwise the Senate wouldn't have been recently snarled by some filibuster footdragging against a verbal protest over the current administration's escalated interventionist policies. Simply put, you'd have be as dumb as a box of rocks to keep from opposing Bush's warmongering crusade in Iraq, not to mention his firebrand approach to Iran, don't you think? Then again, I'm not optimistic that a significant segment of the population (read neocon congresspeople and a certain number of their constituents) will wise up enough to get smarter than that box of rocks! Not optimistic. (Yep, that's me.) ------------------------------------------------ pessimist Date: February 7, 2007 @ 5:33 AM Well, if not ignorant, then beholden to special interests (which is a lot of what too many politicans are about anyway). "As dumb as a box of rocks" applies to those administration supporters who AREN'T tainted with lobbyist leanings; I'd pin a different unsavory label on those dorks who ARE. ------------------------------------------------ pessimist Date: February 7, 2007 @ 6:36 AM Summarizing the Commander-in-deep: Being a warmonger about Iraq. Being a firebrand about Iran. Being a pre-emptive interventionist. Bush has mad cowboy disease. ------------------------------------------------ pessimist Date: February 8, 2007 @ 9:16 AM "Some people say that the U.S. president is not prone to calculating the consequences of his actions," Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Thursday. In remarks broadcast on state television, Khamenei added, "but it is possible to bring this kind of person to wisdom." "POSSIBLE" to bring him to wisdom, you say?? Sorry, Khamenei, but you must have seriously overestimated the potential capacity for that guy to improve. Or, perhaps you just felt like being a little generous? :o)

INeedAlover	Date: February 8, 2007 @ 4:13 PM "RIAA thinks CD's should cost more." LOLOLOLOL LMFAO This is so hilarious my sides hurt from LAUGHING!! It doesn't take a genius to look at the price of similar or somewhat related products to yours to decide whether or not you've priced your product accordingly. Take, for example, DVD's. With a DVD, not only do you get sound, BUT YOU GET MOVING PICTURES!!! So, logic says that if your product is only sound, it should cost WAY less than a DVD. How come every Sunday my adds show DVD's at less than 10bucks but many CD's still looking for 12bucks?? And these are the people that are running the music business? No wonder they keep losing sales.... THEY CAN'T COUNT!!!

independentm...	Date: February 8, 2007 @ 5:16 PM "DVD Jon" Johansen has a few thoughts. "Steve Jobs has written an article titled �Thoughts on Music� in which he blames DRM entirely on the labels. Steve claims Apple wants to sell DRM-free music but the labels won�t let them. This of course flies in the face of reality."

kyodylee	Date: February 8, 2007 @ 9:32 PM Reuters desperately needs George Z. to set them straight. I had to cringe while reading this .... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2091392,00.asp "Despite success in suing people who download music illegally ..." "Since the music industry started winning lawsuits against individuals in the last few years ..." C'mon George, sic 'em! :)

pepe512000	Date: February 10, 2007 @ 7:51 PM This thread is in "slippage" mode... Offbeat news; Dead pets give birth to diamond ring. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070210/od_afp/britainanimaloffbeat_070210160212 I wonder if I could have my husband turned into a "diamond" at last. :)

pessimist	Date: February 10, 2007 @ 8:23 PM NEWS BRIEF: "The brain scan that can read people's intentions", by Ian Sample, science correspondent, The Guardian (London), February 9, 2007 "A team of world-leading neuroscientists has developed a powerful technique that allows them to look deep inside a person's brain and read their intentions before they act." If this scenario seems familiar, do you recall the hit movie, "Minority Report", which debuted in theaters in 2002? It was a dreadful story-line about citizens being arrested even though they had not committed a criminal act, sent to jail without trial, and held without a release date. Brave (scratch that, Oppressive) New World coming? New World Order? Spooky, huh?

independentm...	Date: February 10, 2007 @ 11:25 PM Damn tootin' spooky, pessimist. I'll leave a note for Twarrior to see if he will bump this thread back near the top.

independentm...	Date: February 10, 2007 @ 11:44 PM Over at slashdot, marco_marcelli writes with a link to the founder and chairman of MPEG, Leonardo Chiariglione,replying to Steve Jobs on DRM Doesn't this guy already make a ton of royalties off of the MPEG (including mp3) formats? He suggests we look to GSM as a model of how a fully open and standardized DRM stack enabled rapid worldwide adoption. He gently reminds Jobs (and us) that there exists a reference implementation of such a DRM stack � Chillout � that would be suitable for use in the music business.

independentm...	Date: February 11, 2007 @ 12:17 AM An open letter to Steve Jobs (You are a hypocrite!) Charlie Demerjian says: "Your entire business is based on DRM, top to bottom, and without it you would wither and die."

pessimist	Date: February 11, 2007 @ 12:29 AM Regarding STEVE JOBS TALKING ABOUT DRM -- Just a smattering of some good posts on Slashdot: by Mateo LeFou "Our view is it's our job to provide the technology, and the content providers can tell us what kind of restrictions and policies they want to apply to that." That's an interesting opinion to have. If party X is in charge of dictating the restrictions and policies in your product, isn't party X your real customer? by senatorpjt Advertisers are the customers. Viewers are the product. by MindStalker But the thing is, if Microsoft says, "We are going to implement Y system which has XZ restriction capabilities", the content owners only have XZ as options. But MS can choose to have as many restriction capabilities as possible. by Nicolas MONNET What should we believe? Microsoft's claims -- that they favor and aim to provide an open platform -- or our lying eyes, which are currently witnessing a thing called "Zune" that is the exact opposite of open. by Anonymous Coward Steve's main point -- that there shouldn't be DRM -- is correct, and that's what matters.

pessimist	Date: February 11, 2007 @ 7:38 AM U.S. CONGRESS FINDS WAYS TO CIRCUMVENT NEW ETHICS RULES REGARDING LOBBYING By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK Published: February 11, 2007 WASHINGTON, Feb. 10 � The 110th Congress opened last month with the passage of new rules intended to curb the influence of lobbyists by prohibiting them from treating lawmakers to meals, trips, stadium box seats or the discounted use of private jets. Now, as it turns out, the lobbyists and their employers typically end up paying for the events, but within the new guidelines. Instead of picking up the lawmaker�s tab, lobbyists pay a political fund-raising committee set up by the lawmaker. In turn, the committee then pays the legislator�s way. Excursions and entertainment would be illegal under the new ethics rules if lobbyists or their employers paid for them directly. But they are allowed, and increasingly common, because of a combination of loopholes. First, the ethics rules restrict personal gifts but not political contributions, so paying thousands of dollars to attend a fund-raiser is still legitimate. Second, the �personal use� restrictions apply to lawmakers� re-election campaigns but not to their personal political action committees, which can spend money on almost anything. Lawmakers use their personal PACs to sponsor varous events. (Lawyers disagree about whether Congressional ethics rules restrict personal use of members� PACs.) The bottom line is that undue lobbying and indirect abuses of ethics on the part of politicians are still alive and well in Washington. No surprise there.

independentm...	Date: February 11, 2007 @ 8:40 PM shutyatrap says: Hey mate! Sham and me are working hard on the FAWM thing where you do 14 songs within 28 days of Feb. If you find time please check them out!!!

independentm...	Date: February 11, 2007 @ 9:13 PM EFF "getting it on" in the EU ================== As law professor Michael Geist explains in a recent editorial, "In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the 'user experience' from the user." ============== Sony BMG Settles FTC Charges - Sony has to clearly and prominently disclose playback and copying restrictions on future CDs and pay up to $150 to affected users. =============== ~ 9/11 Commission Report: Copying Is a Crime - The official (and uncopyrighted) PDF has anti-copy-and- paste DRM turned on.

independentm...	Date: February 11, 2007 @ 9:16 PM RIAA Seeks to Expedite Discovery in Elektra v. Schwartz, Case Against Woman with Multiple Sclerosis ------------ Great Article in Groklaw about the significance of Capitol v. Foster --------------- Ms. Lindor Opposes RIAA Motion to Compel Production of Her Son's Computer

pessimist	Date: February 12, 2007 @ 3:00 AM {by Anonymous Coward, on Slashdot} "Steve's main point -- that there shouldn't be DRM -- is correct, and that's what matters." Is Steve being hypocritical? reference: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37522 Or is he just a person who, uh, tends to THINK DIFFERENT? :-)

pepe512000	Date: February 13, 2007 @ 7:58 AM When one really thinks about this, how did it happen that a group that didn't get very much radio time over the year, take best record, album, and song of the year? Enquiring minds want to know. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070212/dixie_chicks_070212/20070212?hub=Entertainment

Dreddsnik	Date: February 13, 2007 @ 1:30 PM No one else to give it to ?? ;)

Dreddsnik	Date: February 13, 2007 @ 1:30 PM Mebbe William Hung has a real shot at a grammy next year.

RaidHHI	Date: February 13, 2007 @ 2:39 PM I submitted this before, it never made it.. so here's try #2, http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/news/local/3588642.html I miss the first comment, wrong site.. but it's too much hassle to go and dig up the original url for a comment. :) Anyways, good reading.

gdZiemann	Date: February 13, 2007 @ 3:33 PM "Reuters desperately needs George Z. to set them straight." kyodylee -- Sorry I missed that one. I'm fresh out of outrage this week.

grumpygeezer	Date: February 13, 2007 @ 6:40 PM Pertaining to link furnished by RAID is this excerpt: "The foundation of this holding is a belief that people who post or download music files are primary infringers." I would have thought the ones who upload copyrighted files are the primary infringers, and the downloaders are secondary infringers. Either way, they ARE "infringers" of copyrighted intellectual property(not "pirates" who steal physical things from others on the high seas). At least I'm glad to see the correct word "infringement" being used, instead of "piracy."

autodidact	Date: February 14, 2007 @ 1:59 PM I could get nothing from RAID's link. Tried in IE, tried in Opera. Nothing. Blank page.

pepe512000	Date: February 14, 2007 @ 2:16 PM That's strange, Raid's link worked yesterday...I was there... Twarrior, Shmoo, do you want boycott to link to http://p2plawsuitssuck.com/ They're asking for help. (Found on Ray Beckerman's site again)

RaidHHI	Date: February 14, 2007 @ 3:28 PM Still works, as of 3:22pm eastern time 02-14-07. autodidact, I respectuflly suggest you have your er, network configuration inspected. Or perhaps, heh, Tomsong can help you fix it. Speaking of which, since this is the odds and ends thread, I would submit I should be able to defend myself from some wiseass remarks made during my ban. I'll begin with TomSong, whom I didn't realize was to be considered an enemy and treated as such... He stated he knows me, That I've been here 6 years or so, and my computer knowledge doesn't amount to squat. 1. He doesn't know me, We've never met. 2. He can't do simple math, I didn't join 6 years ago, and I've never used any login here besides this one. 3. This ties in with point 2, I am Not, never have been, never will be any fellow named Neo. 4. I've already made a public challenge to anyone who wants to test my knowledge in public, if your too lazy to do your homework via google first, that is. 5. I am not, never have been, never will be a troll. I do not share the same exact viewpoint as some of you, but I am not totally against what it is you seek to do either. I personally feel making the topic of me being removed a public forum was in bad taste, but represents well the immaturity I was complaining about concerning Twarrior. That sort of post doesn't win you longterm visitors, mainly bots and such to archive for later amusement/bashing of said site. I do not have a problem with the site itself nor many of you, and I really don't intend to insult or belittle those of you with some intelligence about you. Well, that's all I wanted to say, thanks for letting me rant. /rant mode off

MajorTreat	Date: February 14, 2007 @ 4:37 PM RAIDHHI is an RIAA agent. Ignore Him.

MajorTreat	Date: February 14, 2007 @ 4:40 PM US Citizen! Your country need You! Please joint the operation "Phone-storm" in progress right now against the settlement center: Please call them and let them know what you think of their jobs. Ph:(913)234-8181 fax:(913) 234-81812 Open Monday to Friday 9am to 9pm.

pepe512000	Date: February 14, 2007 @ 4:59 PM RaidHHI You're right, that link is working now..wasn't awhile ago..are we in the Twilight Zone or something? :) MajorTreat I don't think Raid is an riaa anything....just gets worked up a bit as we all tend to do at times....now, where did you get the info for operation "phone storm?" link please?

autodidact	Date: February 15, 2007 @ 1:14 PM Yes, the link is working today. I read the article. Why is this news?

RaidHHI	Date: February 15, 2007 @ 2:47 PM autodidact, It's news because it's another new article on the ongoing lawsuits. Or, would you prefer ONLY articles which show the riaa losing? :) You wouldn't be trying to deflect from my original statement now would ya? The original statement which has gone unanswered (along with several other questions, he's unable to answer, but he does want you to be on irc...ROFLMAO!) was why the article was skipped over.. was it because I specifically submitted it or something else? The article is most certainly on topic here, as it's another victim being pummeled by the riaa.

RaidHHI	Date: February 15, 2007 @ 2:55 PM MajorTreat, You've claimed I have something to do with the riaa for several years now. It's painfully obvious this site has a double standard regarding what one is and is not allowed to claim. I was banned for several days for "attacking" the poor new administrator, yet you continue to talk shit for lack of a better word, and nothing seems to happen to you... My my... It's alright tho, I'm getting my points across based on the emails I've gotten. :) And in case for some reason you missed the point I was making in this post, It's not alright for me to post factual data on a person especially if i'm doing it rudely., but it is perfectly okay for another to post outright bullshit, and not even be asked to stop doing it. That's the double standard.

autodidact	Date: February 15, 2007 @ 7:53 PM "It's news because it's another new article on the ongoing lawsuits. Or, would you prefer ONLY articles which show the riaa losing? :)" Of course we need to know the truth, good or bad. A lot of this article sounds like it was copied from an RIAA press release, though. I think the 96 comments are as interesting as the article.

kyodylee	Date: February 15, 2007 @ 10:05 PM Hi Raid, welcome back. I don't think it's necessary for you to get concerned about the article you submitted not being posted on the front page. I have personally submitted articles that were never posted or they were posted as being submitted by an Admin. I don't take it personally, sometimes there is just an overlap of submissions of the same article. Also, where did you submit your article? Was it via the regular news submission link or here on the odds and ends thread? Most of the articles linked in this thread don't end up as front page articles. I think Shmoo is still responsible for going through the news article submissions. But I also know that he doesn't always have prompt access to the site all the time due to his work schedule. It may have just gotten overlooked or possibly dated by the time it was seen. Anyway, I'm certain that it did not have anything to do with you being the person who submitted it. As for Major Treat, I disagree with you about there being a double standard. My reasoning is this: You were banned for very aggressively and profanely flaming an Admin of the site. Major Treat isn't flaming an Admin and although his comments about you are stupid and ignorant, he hasn't been aggressive or profane either. I think that is the big difference ... flaming an Admin vs. non-Admin. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending Major Treat, but he does have a right to his opinion even if it is moronic and stupid. If he truly gets out of line, I'm sure he will be dealt with too. In the meantime, either ignore him as most of us do, or defend yourself as you see fit. Although, I don't think that is really necessary because as you can see in pepe's post also, no one really takes his comments seriously. Shmoo has also defended you against his comments as well. Now, I'd like your opinion on an article I linked earlier in this thread concerning an article in Newsweek about the porn industry suffering from loss of profits due to the huge amount of free porn available on the internet. I remember that many people here on Boycott-RIAA used to use the porn industry as an example of how free internet product not only does not hurt business but rather helps it immensely. This article is actually the first time that I have seen the porn industry categorically state that free porn is actually hurting their business profits. The RIAA also states the same thing, free music on the internet has hurt their profits. I have not seen these two industries in sync like this before. And as the saying goes ... As goes the porn industry, so goes the entertainment industry. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17033892/site/newsweek/

captdunsel	Date: February 15, 2007 @ 10:49 PM don't feel too bad raid, I get ignored all the time. for example I distinctly remember this conversation me- mom the house is on fire mom- shut up and go to your room me - no seriously, we need to get out mom- I said go to your room now. me - mom the house- it's burning we're going to die mom - I said go to your room and I don't want to come up there later and catch you playing with yourself sorry, I'm going now. somebody said something about porn....

grumpygeezer	Date: February 15, 2007 @ 10:57 PM You wrote: "And as the saying goes ... As goes the porn industry, so goes the entertainment industry." However, at one point (page 3) in the article you referenced , it was explained how "porn is not driving the bus�it�s riding it" this time around.

RaidHHI	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 12:31 PM Afternoon Kyodylee, I must slightly disagree on one point. :) "As for Major Treat, I disagree with you about there being a double standard. My reasoning is this: You were banned for very aggressively and profanely flaming an Admin of the site. Major Treat isn't flaming an Admin and although his comments about you are stupid and ignorant, he hasn't been aggressive or profane either. I think that is the big difference ... flaming an Admin vs. non-Admin. " As far as aggressive, yes I am, it comes with the type of job I do. :) Now, profanity is also something I do often, it's just the way I am. I doubt profanity is what caused the riff between admin and myself. His lack of experience and general knowledge of the system he's adminning is what's annoyed me. It should annoy you too. BoyCott-riaa doesn't look good with an admin who doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't spell well either. I mean, c'mon, if you stink at spelling, theres a wonderful invention called a spell checker. :) I don't know how much you actually know about irc, but it's a very dangerous place to be if your unprepared and don't know what your doing. Twarriors attempt to give you guys irc without any warnings whatsoever is irresponsible to say the least. While I agree, there probably isn't much of a double standard here, there is some... For example, I asked Twarrior several questions in regard to his intending to setup an irc server and eventually a small network. I suppose I'm hoping his friend is more knowledgable then he is. He should concentrate on the site itself, not additional services that many of you doubtfully know how to use. I do not mean this in an insulting way, but I think your getting sidetracked with new features, when you should be fixing the problems we already have, such as an edit button. :) If twarrior really feels the need to mess around with boycott-riaa configuration, I'd suggest he mirror it and play with it on a machine that nobody cares about. I was under the mistaken? impression that admins knew what was going on... This isn't the case with twarrior. As for his maturity, sheesh, Yes I was profane with him and dragged him thru various muddy spots, but I never created a public bitch thread and begged others to help me remove an individual. It reaks of a child, really. And I know he's not a little kid.. He should act responsible for this. Also, how did he get to be an admin without coding skills, without html skills or anything else?

pepe512000	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 12:53 PM My understanding of irc chat..which is virtually nil, but am I to understand that one needs to have (download) a specific program to their computer to join in the fun? And would that even be MAC compatible? Lots of macs around here....

Dreddsnik	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 2:21 PM " He should concentrate on the site itself, not additional services that many of you doubtfully know how to use. I do not mean this in an insulting way, but I think your getting sidetracked with new features, when you should be fixing the problems we already have, such as an edit button. :) " On this, I can agree. On this ... " If twarrior really feels the need to mess around with boycott-riaa configuration, I'd suggest he mirror it and play with it on a machine that nobody cares about. " Twarrior posted this in another thread . " With DMusic under re-design as well -- Jack and I will be merging our efforts and creating a "carbon copy clone" of DMusic on an unpublished (until further notice) url where him and I can begin the proccess of taking that clone and making it alot less like DMusic and alot more like BRIAA. So account sharing between DMusic and BRIAA will remain so no imports / exports / re-creating accounts will be nessesary -- just as is the case now -- but otherwise there will be a complete seperation. BRIAA will have its own DB that is independent of the DMusic engine. This means we can improve what you are ALREADY USED TO -- which has been a concern of BRIAA users. Change is good, but the users still want to have the level of familiarity that are used to with the current site. This is now possible. " It sounds to my uneducated ears that he is doing something similar to what you suggest.

RaidHHI	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 3:05 PM Pepe, "My understanding of irc chat..which is virtually nil, but am I to understand that one needs to have (download) a specific program to their computer to join in the fun? And would that even be MAC compatible? Lots of macs around here...." In the older days, yes. you had to have an application installed. mIRC is one such application, but I'm not aware of a mac version. There are javascript programs now that will let you do irc via the web, but the interface isn't all that great depending on the website... IRC can be alot of fun, don't get me wrong, but irc is dangerous if you don't know what your doing. The reason being is because on irc, everybody can see your IP address unless his server masks it. Which, I don't think by default it will.

pepe512000	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 3:09 PM Thanks RaidHHI...

RaidHHI	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 3:18 PM I don't think twarrior has taken the bandwidth needs into account. A home users cable or dsl line won't support a large irc server, and damn sure won't support being an active node in a tree of servers. he hasn't said anything about user nor server security either. I suspect both are outside his knowledge level. That's the primary problem I have with the kid. He's trying to pass himself off as something he isn't.

RaidHHI	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 3:45 PM Dreddsnik, "t sounds to my uneducated ears that he is doing something similar to what you suggest." I'm surprised I'm even responding to you, after reading your ignorant comments in a previous thread about me.. but here goes.. Wonder if I'll get in trouble for saying your comments about me were based on ignorance, but who cares anymore.. I don't. I've made my point here many times over... Twarrior keeps flip flopping from one idea to another. This week, he's decided the database's will be seperate, but you won't have to fill out accounts again. Next week, maybe you will. I think he should put in an edit button before he worries too much about irc, syncronet crap or anything else. Yes, I hate synchronet, and that's coming from a SysOp point of view, not an end user. He wants to take you into the past, not the future. BBSes are all but dead, some are still online via telnet for old hobbyists like myself, but that's it. The BBS "scene" as it was, is no more.

kyodylee	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 4:28 PM Raid, I suspect that you are right in that most of us don't know very much about IRC. I do know that it pre-dates the Internet along with Usenet and BBS. I have dabbled a bit using the mIRC client and sticking mainly to DALnet and EFnet. But chatting really isn't my cup of tea and I wasn't looking for warez, movies or porn either. Yes, yes, I know there is a lot more available than just that but one must also become a fairly experienced user and establish a trusted reputation before much of it becomes available. Otherwise, you can become a sitting duck for the many nasty things that can happen to you on IRC. So you are right that it can be a very dangerous place if you don't know what you are doing. I haven�t really fully grasped Twarrior's intentions yet concerning IRC, but I don't think that he intends for everyone here to install an IRC client. I think he may intend for Boycott-RIAA members to connect to his server via their internet browser. If I'm wrong, please correct me. One of the problems with Schmoo's new version (now defunct) of Boycott-RIAA was that it kept getting spammed to death. So I think Twarrior is looking for a spam-free alternative. Now, while Twarrior seems to have very ambitious plans for the site and he has kept us informed with what he is doing, I don't think he has explained his vision in terms that we all can understand. And it does seem that he has bitten off more than he can chew. Raid you asked about Twarrior "Also, how did he get to be an admin without coding skills, without html skills or anything else?" I can understand your frustration in this regard. I am assuming that he got the job because he was available and volunteered to do it for free. I am also frustrated that the site has stagnated into a repository for RIAA-related news that's already available elsewhere on the internet. An RSS reader can do a better job of gathering the news you're interested in. So I suppose it is the comment and interaction feature of this site that appeals to people and draws them in. I personally would like to see more Op/Ed articles like the way CodeWarrior used to do. I would also go as far to say that it is a responsibility of this site to not only regurgitate the news but to educate people on its meaning and impact relating to the Boycott-RIAA mission. This site does have some very knowledgeable commentators here that fulfill part of this responsibility but they are speaking for themselves (as stated in the disclaimer at the top of the articles) and not on behalf of the site itself. So I guess that is a long about way of saying that I also agree with Raid and Dreddsnik that "He [Twarrior] should concentrate on the site itself, not additional services that many of you doubtfully know how to use."

kyodylee	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 4:31 PM oops, posted my comments without seeing Raid's first. Was busy spell checking and editing! LOL ;)

Dreddsnik	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 4:35 PM " I'm surprised I'm even responding to you, after reading your ignorant comments in a previous thread about me.. but here goes.. Wonder if I'll get in trouble for saying your comments about me were based on ignorance, but who cares anymore.. I don't. I've made my point here many times over... " * sigh * .. I tried to be nice. Thank you for making my point .. again. l8r

pepe512000	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 4:42 PM ~~So I suppose it is the comment and interaction feature of this site that appeals to people and draws them in.~~ Yes, but an interaction in "ones own time" meaning you can have an interesting conversation here over the course of three days if one so chooses. Chat means you have to actually sit at your computer for who knows how long...that's ok if you've got lots of time to spare....I'm not sure everyone here has that much freedom of time.... And I'm sure not interested in irc chat when I keep hearing the words "dangerous" attached to it.. :)

grumpygeezer	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 6:03 PM I'm also in the camp with those who would just as soon keep what we have and merely add several things such as an edit feature. As RAID and some others have pointed out, it's preferable to stay on the safe side (given the already noted circumstances).

kyodylee	Date: February 16, 2007 @ 6:25 PM pepe said: "Chat means you have to actually sit at your computer for who knows how long ..." Exactly. Which is one of the reasons chat isn't really for me. If I want to chat, DMusic's shoutbox serves a similar chat function. Speaking of DMusic's site functions that are available to Boycott-RIAA members, I'm curious to know if we will lose some of the less known functions that are available to Boycott-RIAA members once the surgical separation is completed. In other words, are we gaining more than we're losing? I hope so. For instance, I comment on this thread via DMusic's url for it: http://news.dmusic.com/article/21223 I just like the interface better, plus you get to see the little emoticons. :) Also, the user name links work. Also, did you know that you can search the news via: http://news.dmusic.com/search Or a handy way of catching up on the most recent comments posted is to use DMusic's Hot News Stories link. Most of the comments are usually on the Boycott-RIAA threads. http://interact.dmusic.com/ If you are interested in knowing what comments a particular poster has recently made just go to their recent activity page on DMusic. I'll use mine as an example. Go to the News Comments section. It's all there. This is true for every Boycott-RIAA member. Just insert your user name and look at your own comments or anyone else's. http://kyodylee.dmusic.net/comments Mine's pretty cluttered because I'm active on DMusic too. Here's Raid's page ... I don't think he would mind ... not so cluttered. http://raidhhi.dmusic.net/comments Anyone interested in reviewing the news articles that you submitted which were actually posted? For this one, you'll need your gnutella account. Every member here has one. I'll use Shmoo's as an example here. You will find the most recent news articles he posted at the top of his page. http://independentmusician.gnutella.com/ Want to know if a Boycott-RIAA member is online? The list includes not only DMusic members online but anyone logged in via the Boycott-RIAA page as well. http://www.dmusic.com/users/online Well, that's just some of the features I hope we don't lose. :nod:

pmmusic	Date: February 17, 2007 @ 10:16 AM I'm with grumpygeezer and pepe on the simple, safe alternative.

pessimist	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 3:25 AM "I assure all of you -- this place is going to get whipped into shape if i have to use real whips to do it! :-D" The most recent posts here at this thread also shape my perspective about proposed changes.

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 1:20 PM EFF Comes Out Against RIAA's New Plan to Conscript ISP's as Collection Agents and Information Gatherers. RIAA Says It Will Seek "Reconsideration" of Capitol v. Foster Order; Asks for 60 Days to Complete Attorneys Fee Discovery Judge Allows LimeWire to Pursue Discovery on Antitrust Issues, Denies RIAA's Motion for Stay Magistrate Judge Denies Defendant's Motion to Compel Discovery Responses on Record Company Employees' Use of P2P to Transmit Songs to Radio Stations New Contested Case in White Plains, Lava v. Amurao RIAA Files Reply Brief Attacking LimeWire's Antitrust Counterclaims Best regards. Ray http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com http://info.riaalawsuits.us

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 1:23 PM Folks, I know damn well that I am not the only one who get's Ray Beckerman's e-mailed links... Whenever you come to Boycott Riaa and see that those things are not yet posted, PLEASE take it upon yourself to do so. (Sheesh, why make ME do ALL the work, lol.)

pessimist	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 1:49 PM Straight and to the point: We don't need live chat. We don't want things that may cause problems. Don't bring in new features that aren't necessary or that stand less than an optimum chance of being put to worthwhile use. Don't change the site appreciably. I think that about sums it up for most of us.

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 1:51 PM Whomever above said an RSS feed would be better at doing what we do (...posting articles about and/or links to the things we want others to read pertaining to our agenda) well, that assesment is just plain wrong. Although I agree that we need to write more of our own original articles. (Folks, take it upon yourselves to each write 1 article/rant per week and SUBMIT it, dagnabbit!)

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 1:57 PM EFF takes Viacom to task over YouTube takedown. ------ Personally, until I see some proof that YouTube is going to play fair with the TRUE indie content creators, I don't give a flip. The EFF needs to speak out on YouTube's shady dealings with the RIAA too! (I haven't heard a peep from the EFF about THAT side of the coin.) --Shmoo

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 1:58 PM E-mail warnings deter Canadians from illegal file sharing

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 2:22 PM DRM: the state of disrepair By Thomas Ricker writing at engadget

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 2:27 PM At the end of that article, Thomas says: "Still, despite all the politicking and handwringing on the subject, let's not forget that certain bit of truth found in Steve's words: "DRMs haven't worked, and may never work, to halt music piracy." As such, we join the EFF and "DVD" Jon Lech Johansen to urge Apple to take the first step -- strip the DRM from the independent label and Disney-owned music, TV, and movie content in the iTunes Store. Show the "Big Four" you mean business... and we'll all reward you with ours."

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 2:31 PM Nice sentiment, But I, myself will wait to reward iTunes with MY business when they do all that AND throw the RIAA sht in the sht-can.

RaidHHI	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 3:40 PM I've been playing with a birthday present I got this year.. A panasonic mp3 player with 2 gigabytes of system memory. I'll write up a review about it. :)

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 5:05 PM Raid, Did you allow your little brother/sister/nephew/etc. to play with your computer? You are being spooky un-charactaristic today. (Is this all just some sarcasim trick?)

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 5:08 PM Oh well, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna log out and play some of my vinyl records and old recordings I have of my own band. (Gonna wallow in my own nostalgic filfth for a while.) 'Cause, it gratifies!

independentm...	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 5:11 PM :) Peace y'all.

grumpygeezer	Date: February 18, 2007 @ 5:53 PM "You are being spooky un-charactaristic today." "(Is this all just some sarcasm trick?)" Naughty Shmoo. Go to your room!

grumpygeezer	Date: February 19, 2007 @ 3:00 PM Well, this an open forum kind of thread, so ... [Adviso: Political remark ahead.] "Though the President is Commander-in-Chief, Congress is HIS commander . . . We don't have a government of kings, but rather a government of people, and . . . Congress is the people." --U.S. Representative Thaddeus Stevens (1867) Comment: Mr. Stevens may have had an awful first name, but he had the right stuff when it came to this concept! Somebody in our Congress ought to throw this quote in the face of King Bush the Arrogant.

rokatie	Date: February 19, 2007 @ 10:54 PM bowilee?

pessimist	Date: February 19, 2007 @ 11:26 PM This "rokatie" poster comes around every several days or so and almost always writes nothing but gibberish. I say we ban it. "Ignorance is curable; stupidity is not."

CodeWarrior	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 10:55 AM LOL...there was a poster long ago that did that...I found it kind of funny...I'd rather have gibberish sometimes :).

CodeWarrior	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 10:59 AM Or course, I could be wrong. I shall defer to my fellow admins on this one.

pessimist	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 11:30 AM "LOL...there was a poster long ago that did that...I found it kind of funny...I'd rather have gibberish sometimes :)" You're probably right. And I guess I should lighten up a bit.

interrogator	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 11:14 PM I understand where you guys are coming from, but let's get some closure on this thing. Open letter to "rokatie", whoever, whatever you are: If you ever wonder why no one responds to the one or two word questions you ask with your occasional posts, it's because they don't understand the language you speak. No offense; just thought you might like to know. Try re-phrasing your questions in non-coded, non-alien English. Thanks.

interrogator	Date: February 21, 2007 @ 12:04 AM Hey, DMusic admins, when you look at rokatie's compilation of postings at http://rokatie.dmusic.net/ some of us might wonder why on earth this person or thing's account hasn't been deleted. Almost exclusively unintelligible comments/questions abounding.

RaidHHI	Date: February 28, 2007 @ 11:06 PM Raid, Did you allow your little brother/sister/nephew/etc. to play with your computer? -- No. I've been in a more relaxed mood since my 29th birthday...I can carry alot of music with me now, go off into my own little world anytime I like, for hours. It calms me. I told you man, I have a true love for music, I really understand it... :) I do plan to get the Mp3 player review written as soon as I can find the free time.