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Seagram: Declaration of War Against the Internet
Posted by jark on May 27, 2000 at 8:57 PM   (printer friendly)

"Anonymity, on the other hand, means being able to get away with stealing, or hacking, or disseminating illegal material on the Internet – and presuming the right that nobody should know who you are. There is no such right. This is nothing more than the digital equivalent of putting on a ski mask when you rob a bank."

Edgar Bronfman, Jr., CEO Seagram

"Under our Constitution, anonymous pamphleteering is not a pernicious, fraudulent practice, but an honorable tradition of advocacy and of dissent. Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority."

Justice Stevens

When Seagram CEO Edgar Bronfman Jr. addressed the Real Networks annual conference in San Jose, he spoke at length about Napster and anonymous file-sharing. His speech, subsequently published on the Seagram website, is nothing short of remarkable, considering CEOs of huge multinational corporations rarely allow us the benefit of their true feelings about situations they perceive as threatening. Normally, such language is left to corporate lawyers and fellow travelers in the corporate media. Sounding oddly like a general addressing assembled troops, Bronfman pledged to "take our fight to every territory, in every court in every venue, wherever our fundamental rights are being assaulted and attacked."

The threat he rallied against at the conference is allegedly posed by Napster and Gnutella, both which he mentioned by name and essentially declared war upon. As any seasoned war strategist might, Mr. Bronfman invoked scary images of the enemy - in much the same way the U.S. government conjured up scary images of evil Japanese rapists during the Second World War. Bordering on near religious zeal, Bronfman put his faith behind "more robust methods of security" capable of monitoring and tracking "down those who ignore right from wrong... hackers and spies, pirates and pedophiles." In a tone and directness likely to be admired by General Patton, Mr. Bronfman concluded his speech with the following: "Let this be our notice then to all those who hold fairness in contempt, who devalue and demean the labor and genius of others, that because we have considered our actions well and because we are followers without reticence of a clear and just principle, we will not retreat."

We should take note when powerful CEOs talk like military generals, especially in regard to MP3.com, which has a more defensible argument in favor of copyright fair use than Napster will ever hope to have. It is significant that this corporate CEO felt compelled to speak so strongly against one of the basic tenets of file-sharing: anonymity. Apparently not satisfied with court rulings against MP3.com's file-sharing service, or the impending doom of Napster, Mr. Bronfman and the entertainment industry will not rest until they eliminate the very essence of what they see as the largest threat facing their industry: anonymous file sharing. If Bronfman's speech is any indication, open and anonymous file-sharing - regardless of the ownership status of the files shared - is a threat so ominous, so life threatening that he and the industry will stop at nothing to wipe out an entire technology and theory of distributed computing.

"We must restrict the anonymity behind which people hide to commit crimes," General Bronfman explained. "Anonymity must not be equated with privacy. As citizens, we have a right to privacy. We have no such right to anonymity." Is he telling us that we have no right to anonymity in any format? Or is he referring specifically to anonymity in the transference of files over the Internet? Shall this limitation and outlaw status be imposed on email, FTP, Usenet, and IRC as well? If so, Mr. Bronfman is taking an offensive swipe at one of the basic premises of the Internet - in fact, he is sucker punching the very architecture of the Internet itself. "We need to create a standard that balances one's right to privacy with the need to restrict anonymity, which shelters illegal activity," Bronfman declared. Is he suggesting this standard be one of technical protocol, forced on the millions of people who use the Internet daily - many of whom take comfort in the relative anonymity of free speech on web boards and discussion groups such as Usenet? It would seem, for Bronfman, the only flavor of data on the Internet is of proprietary and exclusive nature. In his world, this may be the only kind of information worth consideration and protection.

It is instrumental to note that Bronfman believes only illegal, evil, and injurious activity occurs with anonymous file-sharing - or, for that matter, file-sharing in general (that is, if it is not controlled by corporate interests). If large entertainment corporations cannot ensure people will not share what these corporations have staked out as their owned intellectual property, they will move forward in an effort to wage protracted battle against one of the essential underpinnings of the Internet. "And if the Internet should require an unjust and unfair paradigm in order to perpetuate itself, then it too will crack, crumble and collapse, and it won't take five decades of Cold War politics for it happen." In other words, the industry will continue its legal, political, and public relations warfare until the Internet is either destroyed or has mutated into something the entertainment industry can live with.

Anonymous file-sharing, posting, web surfing, and email are often used to communicate unpopular beliefs and opinions as well as supposedly illegal files of copyrighted content. In China, for instance, anonymous Internet activity is strictly forbidden. It can get you locked in a prison where you are forced at gunpoint to make products to be sold to westerners. The Internet offers a unique and effective communication channel for political dissidents - as did liberated copying and fax machines for activists in the former Soviet empire. In America, apparently so enchanted with the new kingdom of corporate wealth and omnipresence, many of us assume file-sharing is a crowbar designed to pry open the lid to Pandora's noxious box of social and capital evils. In the process of locking down and commoditizing all cultural assets deemed profitable, corporations are demanding we abandon - under penalty of law - an emerging technology capable of increasing not only public awareness of important contemporary issues, but also stifling the expression and debate of ideas and opinions possibly deemed wrong or heretical by others. If corporate interests must be moderated in the pursuit of that speech - some of it anonymous - so be it. We can no longer allow self-interested corporations to dictate the introduction of technology and the free dissemination of ideas.

I'm sure Thomas Jefferson would agree.

nimmo@pcc.net
http://www.nimmo.freeservers.com/


User Comments (These do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of this site)

Anonymous  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 10:06 AM
hmm.. let me see what is worse, the increase in membership at the AA meetings thanks to the good seagram folks, or that nasty napster, at a spy city conference you say, if corp. can't make a buck on it, then they will be off to DC with $ to try to wipe this out

kurt_nimmo  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 10:42 AM
Keep in mind, as well, that Seagram bootlegged alcohol into the US from Canada during the prohibition. This makes Bronfman's recent comments even mdore absurd, considering his family made money illegally. What's worse - bootlegged alcohol or MP3s?

Anonymous  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 10:49 AM
It's kinda funny to see a jew talk like fucking Hitler, don't you think?

kurt_nimmo  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 11:28 AM
Bronfman's race has nothing to do with the issue. I don't care if he is from Venus, has green skin, and talks backwards - I am interested in the substance of his words and ideas, the sort of system of rules he would impose on us. It has nothing to do with his heritage.

What's with the race baiting?

It will only weaken or argument and strengthen theirs. Keep in mind that Bronfman has gone after Gnutella developers personally - by saying they maligned the name of a popular ice cream, Nutella, consumed by European children. This is petty, yet it shows how personal this issue is to him. If you insist on denigrating him strictly on racial grounds, you pretty much sink to his level of insult.

Please, if you can, keep the argument focused on the issues and not stupid racist comments.

Anonymous  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 11:44 AM
The comment about his race is only because the jewish people have been tortured, controlled and enslaved by various dictators, and that's what he's trying to do to the Internet community. He declared war on people for profits to the corporation.

I don't even see why he has an opinion, who can share booze on the net?

kurt_nimmo  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 11:56 AM
He has an opinion because Seagram owns Universal Music Group, the largest grouping of music corporations in the world.

I'd suggest you visit the Seagram web page and see all the companies this corporate monster owns or controls.

It helps if we do our homework before posting.

Anonymous  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 12:19 PM

Evilkow  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 12:27 PM
Does this mean we have no right to remain unlisted in the phone book? Will we be able to walk down the street in an anonymous fashion, or will we have to tattoo our names and social security numbers on our foreheads? I mean, bank robbers and murderers walk down the street too, you know. Criminals. Again, I'm sensing hints of communism here. Since when are the words "corporation" and "government" synonymous?

Anonymous  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 12:31 PM
here is my vision of the future...except it already exists on MP3.com. The artists can market their songs directly to the consumer on the web. I would love to be able to download MP3s of all my favorite 'classic' artists from a website at lets say 50cents per. No need for manufacture/distribution. Radio stations could get a licence to download for broadcast, rather like the fee paid by video stores to rent out movies. I know, and most intuitively would agree, that this would increase my consumption of music. I would download all my favorites enthusiastically, rather than avoiding buying albums (at all) that have only selected songs I want. I applaud the first major artist that will forgo re-signing with a record company and will instead go directly on-line with their new product.

enternamehere  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 7:28 PM
Love the comment about governement and comunism synonyms.

QsWoC  
Date: May 28, 2000 @ 9:11 PM
Anyone fighting file sharing is fighting a losing battle. Look just another ten years into the future. I see digitaly broadcasted radio, video, as internet speeds increase these will also become more readily available online. As a youngster, I remember taping my favorite songs from the radio onto cassette tapes, was that illegal too? The software and the instruments to make copies of these formats is coming.
Rather than fight what is inevitable, the music industry should conform to the changing times and exploit the possibilities that the changes in technology will bring.
Radio today offers us a wide range of talent, we have music from several different tastes. The more we hear a song the more we enjoy the artists work. If we trulely enjoy the style, we go out and purchase the album usually in CD format. We do this to hear everything the artist has to offer.
The "kids" that download and share all this music also buy music, it would seem to me that allowing them to listen to a song over and over again would promote the album, maybe not now when they have very little to spend, but later in life the odds that they would purchase the copywrited CD version would increase.

Anonymous  
Date: May 29, 2000 @ 12:54 AM
are you people for real? its all about taking away our privacy rights on the net. Thats what the articles says to me anyway. fuck them! whos this asshole anyway and why should he stick his nose it it? why? because they cant dip their hands in the file sharing till? well too bad. they cant get rid of the net. theres too much money in it. they need to get a fucking life! programs like napster are great so what if i download a song or two, big deal? they can rage war all they want, they an't gonna win. JMHO

kurt_nimmo  
Date: May 29, 2000 @ 7:52 AM
It's not that they want to get rid of the Internet - that would surely be impossible - they want to force laws and conventions and protocols on it instead. In particular, they want to force you to travel around with some form of ID, maybe a digital certificate with your name, credit card number, social security number, etc. They want to kill anonymity. They want to kill the original ethos of the Internet - open standards, open architecture, the freedom to post anonymously or surf the web anonymously (or, at least, semi-anonymously). They want to know where you went, when, for how long, and what you downloaded, uploaded - because the assumption is you're a criminal. Plus, if big corporations can force you to reveal all kinds of stuff about yourself, they can market to you more effectively. In the corporate mindset, the Interent is about marketing, sales. It's not about the freedom to express yourself without fear of persecution or marginalization - or, for that matter, having your right to access the Internet taken away because you may have traded a few files - it's about more effective capitalism. You can't go to the mall and pass out flyers - it's private property and freedom of expression does not extend there. Same idea with the Internet. They are turning it into a big mall and freedom of expression will not be allowed - unless, that is, your a big corporate CEO.

quothRaven  
Date: May 29, 2000 @ 4:52 PM
Frankly, the corporate CEO's are not to blame. They are only protecting their livelihood the best they can.
Not to get embroiled in a big philosophical discussion, but this situation is just a result of the current politico-economic climate which centers around the laws of turnover.
In this climate, everyone is forced to come up with a "product", something that will sell.
What this world needs is sponsorship: in the middle ages and renaissance artists were supported by the king (well.. if he was in a good mood).. There was no such thing as CD sales and whatnot. The king was called the maecenas, a "patron" of the arts.
Relieved from the pressures of having to produce, artists have much more freedom and more creative, less "commercial" art ensues.
Nowadays, such a royal sponsorship could be translated to a sort of tax: everybody pitching in to support the development of the arts.
I have to agree with kurt about the internet being turned into a mall.
A pity really, because it truly used to be anarchy in its most fulfilled and beautiful form.
But I think the message the corporate world is giving to the IT world is "either you provide us with an environment where we can do business, or we're not game"..

Anonymous  
Date: May 29, 2000 @ 7:45 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about Mr. B. No one has ever been able to turn technology back. Technology is like water during a flood; stop it in one place and it'll find it's way around nonetheless. Their lawyers may succeed in shutting down, say, Napster, but by the time they do, the technology will have alreayd evolved to the point of something else. My dad says they wanted to shut down FM radio circa 1967-70, because they were afraid the excellent quality would have caused people to quit buying LPs (they could just tape the radio).

Anonymous  
Date: May 29, 2000 @ 9:34 PM
It surely looks like a Declaration of War to me. Wrong war analogy though when he mentions WWII. To me, he sounds more like McNamara than Patton. He forgets that the Internet is becoming more decentralized with applications like Gnutella where every computer becomes an independent server on the Net. So he better be prepare to fight a guerilla war...Sooner or later, he will loose...
Cmajor
TopHitsCDs.com

Anonymous  
Date: May 29, 2000 @ 9:53 PM
Link to Bronfman's Operation "Rolling Thunder":

http://www.seagram.com/news/current-press/scl052600b.html

Cmajor
TopHitsCDs.com

kurt_nimmo  
Date: May 29, 2000 @ 10:22 PM
No, corporate interests like Seagram will not be able to close down the Internet - but they will be able, if they push long and hard enough, to change things to their way of doing business.

They can sue companies like Napster and MP3.com out of business - they have the money and power to do so.

That's the beauty of a program like Gnutella - it's not a business, so it can't be sued or effectively closed down.

I believe Seagram et al are more interested in wiping out anonymity. They would like to be able to identify every user. This can be done with digital certificates. Let's say corporate web sites begin demanding digital ID checks at the door to get in. Let's say the government backs them on this - you know, all those script kiddies out there, "cybercrime," preventing child porn, etc. - the same old litany of demons you see mentioned whenever an article on Gnutella appears in the corporate media. Let's say the House recommends this after their dog and pony show held last week. Government moves slowly, so it might take some time. But then you have those entertainment industry corporate lawyers and lobbyists stomping around Washington. It's no secret corporate money controls government. So it takes some time, but eventually something may be imposed. In fact, I believe corporate interests will take the lead, impatient with government, and begin imposing control by code and protocol.

See Lawrence Lessig on this one.

People were pissed about cookies when they first learned about them. But then they understood how easy cookies make things - they remember preferences, logins, shopping cart contents, etc. Now let's say the corporations decide to go with digital IDs, you know, just to make commerce easier for consumers, sort of like advanced cookies. People resist at first, but they soon come to realize that they can no long access Amazon.com or whatever if they refuse to be use digital ID. So they reluctantly accept, more interested in easy commerce than privacy.

Now, look down the road. Corporations begin the argue that, really, to be effective, we should modify TCP/IP, or come up with another standard (proposed by Microsfot, since they control the browser market), one with ID built-in. Now, instead of a simple IP data in each packet, there's a name - you know, to track not only pedophiles and terrorists, but also make it easier for you to buy things on the Internet. Also satisfy the FBI's wiretapping demands.

I don't claim to know how this would work, especially with all the different protocols - email, web, FTP, Usenet, IRC, etc. If somebody out there can explain it, please post and let me know.

We know that corporations can effectuate change - take a look at what the credit card companies did just last week to the porno industry: shut it down cold by refusing to process orders (too many disputes, they said).

It's no secret the Internet is rapidly AOLizing, for lack of a better word. As these entertainment, service provider, information companies continue to buy up smaller companies and merge together, such actions as the one mentioned above will become easier.

Incidentally, I have no problem with business on the Internet. I'm concerned about these huge corporations - Seagram, AOL, Time-Warner, etc. - taking over, as is their habit. It's like Walmart - it moves in a small town and all the other shops go out of business because they can no longer compete. This is what's happening on the Internet.

Anonymous  
Date: May 30, 2000 @ 3:09 AM
I've been on the net almost 10 years, and it really pisses me off that some alcohol marketing johnny come lately wants to take it over! Know why?? Because he knows that booze is on the way OUT! Now he thinks he can force us to behave the way HE thinks we should? I think a big time denial of service attack on seagrams is in order! Let's show this bastard and his ilk that he doesn't own the net... NO ONE owns the net, not you, not me, not congress and CERTAINLY not the seagrams booze company!

Anonymous  
Date: May 30, 2000 @ 10:25 AM
Boycotting Seagram could be a good idea.

I hate their cheap booze anyways, they don't do anything good.


Anonymous  
Date: May 30, 2000 @ 3:39 PM
Really, I hate Seagram cheap booze too. This dude is just upset because the image of his alcohol is what women drink while sitting around discussing their periods instead of being the hip, trendy drink that all the cool kids drink at their rave parties.

Anonymous  
Date: May 30, 2000 @ 4:42 PM
kirt, they already know that dude, they use cookies and other means to track people who surf the web. very easy to trace peoples ISP or IP even with a cookie. all websites use cookies now, think aout it. they just cant figureout how to do this with mp3 file sharing prgrams because it is a program and not a website. webmasters already know who you are as soon as you click on their site, even this website must use cookies etc to track its visitors, real easy to do. i have a website and a javascript that tells me what web browsers people are using when they fillout my forms. not hard but thia fat fuck thinks he can do all that? yeah right! JMHO

Jazz  
Date: May 30, 2000 @ 4:47 PM
I can't believe that they want to take away our privacy on the net! How retarded can u get??!?!!? Yeah im really gonna use a program that makes me give out my real name and where i live so that some dumbass hacker can hack into these sites and if he wants come after anyone! Maybe im over exaggerating but in this world anything is possible!! Personally these guys are total assholes for thinking that we dont have the right to remain anonymous, to me that is my right and if i dont want to tell u who i am then i damn well wont and no one is going to make me..i dont care how fucking rich u are or how many corp. u own..u dont own me so dont tell me what i can and cannot do!!!!!

Anonymous  
Date: May 30, 2000 @ 4:52 PM
kurt* sorry spelled name wrong, anyways as one of the above post stated before me, i think cookies will soon be the way they will track you, digital ids wont work because people can still lie and fill in the blanks with whatever info they want such as name and address, but with a cookie, you can quietly track visitors without their knowing about it, there is and havent been privacy on the net for a long time now. again, they just pissed because they cant dip their hands in the mp3 file sharing till yet.

kurt_nimmo  
Date: May 30, 2000 @ 5:52 PM
Thing is, you can turn off cookies. You might not be able to use certain sites after doing so, but it's not mandatory to have them write and read a file from your computer.

I think Seagram has other ideas. I don't think they know what they're doing at this point, but it's kinda scary when companies like NetPD can snoop on you and turn over a list of IP addresses.

Digital certs or IDs would be effective if you were forced to put credit card information or some other traceable ID in your cert.

In the current climate, with everybody worried about privacy, it may be difficult to make people do this. Unless the government became involved.

I tend to believe Lars on Slashdot - he has been told about ways that file-sharing can be "fucked" with (his words). Napster can be forced to change - by lawsuit and court order - but Gnutella can't. So maybe the alternative is to mess directly with users - by flooding the Gnutella network with requests, loading in bogus or viral files, attacking the Gnutella support websites with DDoS attacks, etc. Maybe even circulate bad versions of the program that crash, are useless, or do damage - all designed to get people to lose faith in Gnutella.

I don't know what they will do - but it's obvious they will do something. Between the recording industry and movie industry, we're talking a whole bunch of money to be thrown at this "problem" - free file-sharing.

The DMCA is going to be revisited soon, it has to be. It's only a few years old and already technology has stripped it of its primary function - to serve the entertainment industry, so they can lock up information and cultural assets and divy them out on a per-view or per-listen basis. If history teaches us anything, it's that these companies will do almost anything to maximize profits.

Anonymous  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 3:49 AM
we're being treated like criminals for using the internet and file sharing . insted of going out after the programers (napster ,gnutella ) they're going to go after us for downloading a file . And if they have our name , address , ect. they could be at our front door the next morining waiting to put us in jail . And for what , advancing in technolgy ??? this is the year 2000 , get use to it

Anonymous  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 9:14 AM
So basically the whole idea of free thinking, and idea sharing on the internet is gone? Sorry, but I don't log onto the internet for advertisements. Seems that big business wants to turn the internet into one big commercial for their products....kind of like when MTV stopped airing videos, to make room for game shows and the like...Greed sucks :(

Anonymous  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 2:29 PM
agree with the above post, soon, if they had their way, entertainment on the net whether it be file sharing or just surfing will be a thing of the past, its all up to the webmasters and the programmers who make these cool applications and websites to take a stand! and say no, to assholes like this who want to take away freedom of speech on the net! let alone our privacy. i have a script that if i wanted to can put in my webpages to track people's isp's. not hard to do really but i dont do that because its an invasion of privacy. there are aready many ways to track people and still think digital ids wont work as well as an IP grabbber because ip grabbers can be done quietly without filling any personal info. scarey thought.

kurt_nimmo  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 5:11 PM
But what's an IP grabber going to do - point at an ISP? That's not the same as having somebody's name. NetPD has already sniffed IP addresses for Metallica. Regardless of the hype, they didn't really know who these people were. It's going to take something more effective.

Anonymous  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 7:01 PM
hello <b>goodbye</b>

Anonymous  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 7:01 PM


Anonymous  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 7:03 PM
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Anonymous  
Date: May 31, 2000 @ 7:04 PM


Anonymous  
Date: June 5, 2000 @ 9:58 AM
Obviously, some people are really against programs that keep people anonymous. I am against the RIAA and all others who are trying to kill file sharing programs like Napster, but I'm not for Napster, simply because I don't use it at all. Anonymous use, if used by the good people, can enable people to get music they want without having to worry about hackers. But if it is used by the wrong people, then it could lead to disaster. I urge people to use it only for music and nothing really else. And by the way, give this message to the RIAA. YOU SUCK!!! Promote MP3 technology and all this mass bootlegging will recede. I am willing to buy music again, but not at $11 a cd. One last thing, take the Supreme Court VCR case. This is very similar to the VCR case. It can be used to make copies for noncommerical use. Same here. END