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milladrive
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 10:37 AM
Feh. I'm sick of this shit. Fuck Emusic (gotta watch how I type that) and their dopey fingerprinting. Words like problem, unauthorized, and any word stemming from consume are so off-line here, it makes me wanna throw up.
...and now it'll be just a matter of time until 1 by 1 we all start gettin' banned from Napster, without warning, all because we the consumers unwittingly had an unauthorized recording in our shared folders. THIS would be a problem. ;) |
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spyed
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 10:57 AM
fuck that |
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spyed
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 11:00 AM
Heidi! What fingerprinting technology are they using? Who developed it? Did EMusic make it themselves?
How effective is it? |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 12:53 PM
Fuck that NOISE!!
Emusic are just mad because THEY ARE NOT NAPSTER!!
You can\'t put it more simply than that. |
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Heidi
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 1:01 PM
Angelo, from what I know, the fingerprinting technology was developed internally. And I'm not sure how effective it is, but it will surely be something I will look into.
~Heidi |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 3:19 PM
who the fuck is gonna buy 99cent mp3's from people that suck from emusic? emusic blows |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 3:45 PM
Fuck 'em. The RIAA can suck on my white ass before I give two shits and a hairy fuck about "Emusic fingerprinting." Fuck 'em. Rich band of cunts who can't get more money to buy another lexus while us, the lower classes can't even afford to buy half of their damn CDs, so, as I said before, Fuck 'em... |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 4:08 PM
Supposedly according to the story at mp3.com Emusic has a software app to "scan" Napster for mp3s of their music. After finding a user offerring an unauthorized mp3, they are instant messaged and told they have 24 hours to stop sharing it. After that time if they are still sharing it, Emusic will get their username and have Napster ban them.
Bah...this whole thing stinks like when Metallica tried to get all those users banned. Then about a day or two later there was a workaround and you could log back in with a new account. |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 5:10 PM
no way...
There'sno real way they can do this. If you rename the files, and manipulate some basic attributes there's no way that a certain file can be tracked. We'll find a way to crack this (just like we did CDs) and then they'll be back at square 1. It's bandaid solution they have here. You cannot stop on-line music trading - deal with it. |
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Clair
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 6:21 PM
yea, fuck emusic..(just thought i'd carry on the tradition of saying fuck them)
hehe...but really..that sucks |
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citizenjohn
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 8:00 PM
emusic is imo probably the worst site to dl mp3s from. I agree with you all....FUCK THEM and there policy |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 8:46 PM
well.. the fingerprinting is acoustic, meaning they will use some algorithm to change the waveform. therefore you cant just 'rename the file'.. the music itself has a (probably) inaudible watermark. now, if anyone can find out the algorithm, it can be either reversed, or applied to all files so that its no longer proof of theft from emusic...
-skye |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 8:48 PM
well.. the fingerprinting is acoustic, meaning they will use some algorithm to change the waveform. therefore you cant just 'rename the file'.. the music itself has a (probably) inaudible watermark. now, if anyone can find out the algorithm, it can be either reversed, or applied to all files so that its no longer proof of theft from emusic...
-skye
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Heidi
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 10:21 PM
Hey skye, thanks for the input! Now go register the username "skye" with DMusic!
~Heidi |
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Heidi
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Date: November 21, 2000 @ 10:23 PM
dee, that is an excellent point. I'm guessing that they will consider you guilty by association.
~Heidi |
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Heidi
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 12:36 AM
No more file sharing, but eventually something else will revolutionize the music industry. Just the way that Napster and friends did. It's a cycle.
~Heidi |
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Fletch
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 12:31 PM
> What fingerprinting technology are they using?
they're using MD5 -- and their using it on the file data, not the acoustics. that's important.
> Who developed it?
Ronald L. Rivest, a professor of electrical engineering and computer science at MIT (he's the 'R' in RSA) http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/homepage.html
> Did EMusic make it themselves?
see above.
> How effective is it?
depends what it's being used for.
in this case? not very. napster used to use the same MD5 checksums on files for resuming. it failed much more of the time than it worked. (which is why it was removed from the client long ago)
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richieZ
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 2:52 PM
lol |
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Heidi
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 3:33 PM
As long as you download *popular* artists you have nothing to worry about because EMusic doesn't carry any of those. (Hehehe.) For being a site where you have to PAY for music, they don't offer a lot of what most people want today.
~Heidi |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 4:41 PM
The only problem is that it only works if you have a unique ip. Now how many people have one of those? |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 4:48 PM
if your gonna ban napster then what about tape recorders ,cd burners,....fuck that....no ones taking my music |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 5:50 PM
Everybody relax, I've been hacking the net for years and this is all a bunch of bull shit. no matter how many sites they shutdown or algorythyms they use they will never be able to stop the net from being free. There is no such thing as 100% effective. Everything can be hacked. But in the tradition, FUCK 'EM!!
KEEP THE NET FREE. |
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Heidi
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 6:16 PM
It's not a thing about keeping the Net free, it's about keeping the music free.
~Heidi |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 7:59 PM
No little girl, its not about just the music. The net is about information. Music is just information and only one aspect in the whole. Don't be narrow-minded like the RIAA. Use the internet to do more that just fill your empty head with pleasant sounding digital 1's and 0's. |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 8:35 PM
HEY HEIDI CHAMBERS (~Heidi) No little girl, its not about just the music. The net is about information. Music, applications, games, etc. are just information and music is only one aspect in the whole. Don't be narrow-minded like the RIAA. Use the internet to do more that just fill your empty head with pleasant sounding digital 1's and 0's. Here's how narrow minded and ignorant you really are. The following quote was taken from your own website "All of the following photos were taken by myself, during my adventures. (Please don't use them without my permission.)" You complain about people trying to stop you from stealing there intellectual property and then you have the balls to try and control who uses yours. Get a fucking life. Do you have any original input or do you just go around and replying to everyone elses comments. |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 9:34 PM
I apreciate and understand the corprate position in this manner. I also would like to add that your position could benefit from some censorship. This was my first visit and my last.
Best of luck
Shocked |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 11:11 PM
Face it, corporate america, there is no way to restrict the copying of digital data, strings of ones and zeros. Sure, embed a watermark, then roll out the proprietary players to disallow illegal playback. Then, watch in wonderment as regular citizens reverse-engineer the process, and create a Free player. Yes, you hired your computer gurus from the general public, but you didnt hire them all. Good luck with your cause, however ignoble it may be. |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 22, 2000 @ 11:14 PM
Sure, the answer to the world's problems is ignorance. Lets just censor everything. That would make the world more peaceful, wouldnt it? Nobody would be allowed to speak of evil, therefore we would effectively eliminate evil from the Universe. We are a clever race, we humans are.... Brilliant Thoughts, Shocked
-Consciousness |
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Heidi
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Date: November 23, 2000 @ 12:05 AM
Actually, the reason I include that statement on my website is because sellers on eBay were using my photos to try and "prove" that their celebrity autographs were authentic. With the sellers using my photos, it made it seem like they were actually with the celebrity and obtained the autograph in person.
~Heidi |
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milladrive
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Date: November 23, 2000 @ 10:06 AM
That's not true. |
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richieZ
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Date: November 23, 2000 @ 2:34 PM
screw this guy heidi... no where in his incoherant ramblings did he even come close to what can be considered a rational thought. we are all now dummer for having read that. i award him no points, and may God have mercy on his soul..
-rZ |
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richieZ
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Date: November 23, 2000 @ 2:39 PM
look anonymous asshole, her name is heidi... and she has an authority on this cause she wrote the article. it's not that i dont agree with what you are writing, it's just that i dont like your venue in venting sexual frustration, or whatever it is you are experiencing to cause you to be such a rude prick... |
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richieZ
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Date: November 23, 2000 @ 2:40 PM
riiiiiiiiiight |
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Clair
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Date: November 23, 2000 @ 8:54 PM
preach it Richie my brutha :-) |
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Anonymous
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Date: November 24, 2000 @ 8:49 AM
tally ho, pip pip, and all that rot |
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Clair
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Date: November 26, 2000 @ 9:46 PM
Why is it you hate Popular Music? Some of it sucks..some doesnt..it just depends on what you like... |
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JohnRapp
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Date: November 27, 2000 @ 12:06 PM
I've started uploading my files to GotchaPort, at gotchaport.com Great streaming program with IM and other features without all the nonsence. Check it out!!!
Rapp |
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mgee
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Date: December 19, 2000 @ 7:05 PM
so you convert the mp3 to a wav file and then you reconvert to mp3....come on! |
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