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halo99
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 1:33 PM
Damn...what a shame. It really is. |
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Fozzie
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 1:43 PM
this should be fun. |
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smelv1n
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 2:10 PM
hehehe |
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Fletch
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 2:44 PM
a million file names, actually. not a million songs. |
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spyed
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 3:02 PM
please, enlighten me, is the end result not the same? |
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p0ppe
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 3:07 PM
Gnutella and Imesh will be flooded soon... |
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Fletch
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 3:09 PM
metallica - we suck.mp3 is one file
metallica (we suck).mp3 is a second file.
those two "files" are one "song".
therefore 1mil songs could be considerably less than 1mil songs. (of course, it could also actually be 1mil songs).
inside.com has reported this. http://www.inside.com/jcs/Story?article_id=24816&pod_id=9 |
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Fletch
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 3:26 PM
er..
that should've read "therefore 1mil files could be considerably less than 1mil songs." |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 3:28 PM
Two words..
USE FTP |
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Exxtreme
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 3:58 PM
i would never change my files to look like that just coz of napster. i'll prolly just have to use other apps more often... |
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dwaveh
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 4:26 PM
a million copyright...
it could be half a million of metalica songs, and the other half could be crappier. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 4:33 PM
I really don't think that they could address every possible modification to a band name. If I'm searching for a Metallica song, I'm sure they'll block "Metallica", but what about "Metalica", "Mettalica", "Metallca", etc.
Another thing...I assume they're also going to try to block when a user searches for just a song name, like "Enter Sandman". What happens if a user searches for something like "Fuel" (by Metallica). Will they block all songs by the band Fuel? What about the song by Ani DiFranco called "Fuel"?
The implementation of this should be interesting. |
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spyed
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 5:38 PM
regardless, even if it's 100,000 songs... I can't list even 1000 songs that I really like... and there certainly aren't 1000 popular songs right now...
Even if it's only 100 songs.. the top 100 songs in the country right now... it would greatly hinder the quality of the service. |
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spyed
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 5:39 PM
I think they're beyond caring about the users sensitivities at this point |
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spyed
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 5:41 PM
yah but.. no. I mean it's great to look at the bright side.. reality probably dictates that we're talking about all the stuff you want to get not being accessible.
I mean that's the point here right? Napster trying to make the judge happy so that it doesn't get shut down?
Judge won't be happy if there are loopholes. |
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spyed
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 5:42 PM
good points.. I can't wait to see this... I mean if it's going to suck, it might as well suck interestingly. |
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doobybrain
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 6:25 PM
agreed. they dont care much about their users. all they care about now is making sure they stay up and running by changing to the recording industry's ways. they suck...both of them.
[doobybrain] |
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doobybrain
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 6:28 PM
why bother switching over so soon back to FTP when you can easily jump over to another sharing app such as bearshare, gnutella, and imesh (just to name a few).]
i also think its a lot easier to find songs with sharing apps rather than using FTP.
[doobybrain] |
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chris
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 6:31 PM
*cough* OpenNAP *cough* |
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doobybrain
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 6:32 PM
napster should take note that maybe after filtering so many songs, people might not want to use the program at all because there is no selection to choose from. so what really is the point (except to stay in business) if you're going to take away the files that most users want and then tell them to keep using the program?
hell, napster sucks. they dont even care about their users.
[doobybrain] |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 7:04 PM
I hate Metallica... Could they be a bigger bunch of spoiled brats? |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 7:12 PM
damnit this really blows |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 7:47 PM
this filtering is gonna put a major stranglehold on napster yes, but as other people have said it's not going to stop it, and people are just going to change song and artist names slightly to escape the filter. People are going to find a way around it just as they have from the beginning. Give napster a break anyway, people are so quick to say that napster sucks and that they're giving up....but they've fought this thing tooth and nail and they're doing EVERYTHING to stay functional and keep running until something else can be done, when other companies buckled under the pressure, napster has stuck it out in court for its users....but mp3's are out already and in such a flood that they can't be stopped, but keep an eye out for your consumer rights going down the drain, the recording industry may begin making cds that are unable to be copied or ripped, which is opening the doors to a number of other controls....just watch out |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 8:54 PM
nah, there's no way that they're going to make un-rippable CDs. When DVD first came out, it was only a week until that Johansen guy released DeCSS. Add in DivX, and mass distribution of movies is a breeze. There's nothing that would stop the same thing from happening again with music. |
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Fletch
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 10:03 PM
so you'd prefer napster didn't care about staying up and running? |
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Doyo
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 11:14 PM
Are you saying that anything that isn't copyrighted by a major label is garbage? That would make most or all of the music available here at dmusic garbage.
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Anonymous
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Date: March 2, 2001 @ 11:41 PM
if everybody onlinr unshared all their files
would that add up to ?
would the network handle handle the traffic ?
if it's gotta go why not go out with a bang..... |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 12:35 AM
*cough* Napigator *cough* DUH |
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stinkface
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 12:37 AM
Napster does care about their users or else they wouldnt be fighting to keep it running. and there are always other ways of getting free online music like iMesh, Gnutella, ftp, or just go on an openNap server insted of one of napsters servers. The RIAA are a bunch of morons who dont know what they are doing. Soon they will loose more money trying to fight online music they they would have lost by just letting it go. |
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Q-Logic
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 12:52 AM
I totally agree, doobybrain. They sold out once they teamed up with Bertelsmann in October. Fanning is full of shit. Indeed, it started out as a hobby and for the love of music. Then, he sold out. I mean, if you gonna go down, go down with dignity. Napster will die evenually. Who knows when? I understand every business has to make money, but subscription is not the way. Maybe, put a little advertising logo, sorta like television, of Coke or Pepsi. Nothing too abtrusive. |
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Q-Logic
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 12:56 AM
Unfortunately, they are doing it for money. There goal is to become an IPO on the Nasdaq and start generating some type of revenue. I am sure Napster would have gone subscription even if the Bertelsmann agreement never occurred. They want to make money. It cost money to run what napster runs. |
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milladrive
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 7:25 AM
hehehe |
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RyanS
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 7:52 AM
I haven't used the Napster servers in a while. I've been finding myself using the OpenNap servers lately, mainly Music City. Seems a hell of a lot quicker |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 11:33 AM
it's seems like they're just shooting themselves in the foot now instead of waiting for the courts to do it for them. it's like a last minute-gasping for air-reaching for that last morsel-running for the door beforeit shuts tight attempt to keep themselves afloat. can't blame them really. an hell even if they don't get shut down the partnership w/ BMG will at least bringa number of tunes back. i don't even care about the subscription idea, it's seems that the time has come to start setting things straight once & for all. and if napster can hold up past the final decision, then the roads will be open for them to get it straight. all we can do is wait & see what the judge decides. until then don't jump to conclusions just yet. it ain't over till the fat lady sings, and she ain't sung a note yet! |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 1:09 PM
1. "napster is greedy"
why? because they are going to start charging? may i remind you that napster isn't (and never was) a not-for-profit organization. it's been said from the beginning that napster would end up a subscription service. did you really expect them to never try to generate any revenue?
2. "napster sold out"
so you must have a viable business model for napster that doesn't include deals with the record companies. i'd love to hear it. (if it includes the words "banner" and "ads", don't bother.)
3. "the judge won't side with a piece of software"
this is about more than a "piece of software." this is about changes to hundred year old laws. this is about 60 million people (60 million!) who think this is how it should be.
you really shouldn't over simplify.
oh, and one last thing -- may i remind you that by filtering songs by filename, napster is only doing what the 9th circuit opinion said they must do. i'm sure you realize what the consequences would be, should they disobey the court. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 9:14 PM
Give Mojo Nation a try...
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Anonymous
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Date: March 3, 2001 @ 9:15 PM
Mojo Nation www.mojonation.net is the URL |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 4, 2001 @ 4:04 AM
Oh well... Can't you just use Napigator? It already has more songs than the original servers anyway. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 4, 2001 @ 12:22 PM
Napster is a great way to share music files, find new music and all that. But shutting out so many file names and charging users in the future means certain death for Napster. Not many ( I know I won't!) will pay for it and people will work around it and find new ways of sharing. This blocking just causes moire and more people, like myself, to download more and more songs before the corporate people shut it down. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 4, 2001 @ 7:44 PM
If what napster is allowing us to do is alegal, then so are all radio staions and any form of listening to music other than cds. I can record songs of the radio, put them on a cd and give them to my friends. Its no different just on a wide scale basis. Anyone who is sonewhat computer literate will find different ways to download music. Its not that hard. All the labels comapanies are doing is shut down the main source of music downloading. They may shut down napster, but people will still download free music, I gurantee it. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 4, 2001 @ 7:45 PM
sorry that should be illegal instead of alegal |
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yellowbeard
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Date: March 4, 2001 @ 9:29 PM
haven't seen any sign of it as of yet. anyway, most copyrighted songs say that they are not copywrighted in their id3v1 and id3v2 tags due to alterations in length of the song, name of the song, or whatever. |
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yellowbeard
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Date: March 4, 2001 @ 9:31 PM
give napster a break. this is their last chance to keep napster running. if they accomplish that their may still be negotiations. they still may be shut down even if they accomplish this. in the long run this is the best decision by napster. |
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floormat
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 6:07 AM
radio sations pay a fee per song. .5 of a cent I think. I can't remember to whom but that's what I was told. |
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kidrocker
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 8:07 AM
i think that napster should be left alone or even prasied by bands, i mean the way i see it is you download a few songs from a band you have never heard of and see what they are like and go out and by their albums giving them the money. So if i hadn't of downloaded that song they wouldn't have that money from me...do i make sense? |
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kidrocker
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 8:08 AM
......and if i ddint like them then no money wasted. |
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milladrive
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 9:25 AM
Well said. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 12:30 PM
they've pretty much given up righ there, next things you know they'll be in the hands of the RIAA.
Everyone D'L napigator and go to musiccity's opennap servers they're a bit slow but they actually work better than most other indie opennap servers! |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 1:24 PM
will the affect FILENAVIGATOR??? |
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spyed
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 2:22 PM
we hear that, brutha! |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 5:58 PM
They are so full of shit. They are not filtering anything. |
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andyt86
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 7:44 PM
Regardless of Napster shutting down, there are MILLIONS of site on the internet that have MP3's.
-andy
AUDIOCHAMBER.COM |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 5, 2001 @ 9:28 PM
For people that thought renaming files via pig latin was a pretty good idea:
Aimster Pig Encoder
http://www.aimster.com/pigencoder.phtml
Fairly amusing. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 6, 2001 @ 3:29 AM
Mojo Nation is working quite well already. Check out this review which explains how it works:
http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2001/3/4/145826/3831
and get the latest version here:
http://www.mojonation.net
For daily news on Napster alternatives remember to watch infoAnarchy.org:
http://www.infoanarchy.org |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 6, 2001 @ 11:30 AM
It's against the DMCA for me to even discuss the item on slashdot (www.slashdot.org) today coancening Aimster's new Napster song title encoder. You need to check it out for yourself. |
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Anonymous
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Date: March 19, 2001 @ 3:25 AM
Well the end of Napster is not as close as it once looked this past weekend. At one point, only 186,000 files were available from 3500 users. But as the weekend progressed, there were as many as 1,086,000 file available. Now I realize it is not the pre-filter numbers that we saw, (2,355,000 files) but it is clear that so far Napster has hung in. Regarding the comment about buying music. Well I buy an average of 20 CD's a month. I am a DJ who does weddings etc, and use the Napster service for downloading clean (radio) edits of popular new songs, as well as those which have only been released to radio, and out of print or hard to find classic dance tracks etc. Napster saves me on average (based on 2000 numbers) $1,500.00 in music purchases and I can inturn pass those savings to my clients by offering lower prices. The RIAA in the USA maybe does not realize that through Napster, we DJ's are able to expose people to music that is otherwise unavailable to us, especially us DJ's in Canada. There have been many times I downloaded a song from Napster that was a Top 40 hit, but was unavailable in Canada as there was either no distribution contract in place, or, restrictions due to a duplication of group names. In regards to the recording of song titles from CD by friends, what is the difference between going to a library, borrowing a CD and taking it home and recording it, and recording a shared file from Napster??? Are they both not copywrite infringement??? Are they not both acts in which the record companies are not being compensated for that recording other than the original purchase of the CD by the library (if in fact it was purchased and not a donation), and the CD being originally purchased then duplicated as a MP-3 and then shared by Napster users by a Napster user. File sharing WILL continue. Just it will be different. And unfortunately. It will also be more closely monitored. If the RIAA can show this much clout in the PRE-TRAIL segment of the suit against Napster, imagine what it will be like when the trial REALLY starts. Or what it will be like if (and I hate to say this but based on what the courts havedone so far...) when the RIAA wins their case. Scarey. Scarey thought. Time to take the Napster concept OFF the Continent. Move it's base and head office to a place such as that High Tech Industry island near (brrr) Iceland which would NOT fall under the jurisdiction of the USA Court System, Government, and the Recording Industry Association of America. A Canadian is proposing to do just that, with a subsciption service based on the Napster model. I wish him luck, as well as those with Napster in their futures whatever they may be |
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santy70
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Date: April 19, 2001 @ 3:57 AM
use napigator! connect your napster program to an opennap server (no filters) using napigator (at napigator.com). dont know what all the fuss about filtering and pigencoders is about when the solution is simple. |
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djnibs
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Date: April 23, 2001 @ 8:13 AM
ha ha ha, napster will never die. people now just change the name of there songs. so they either have to get some guy sitting there going through everyones files, or just say oh well. =) he he, chow, nibs |
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