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Philips Not Happy About CD Copy Protection
 According to an article (in German) in several German Magazines and the German version of Financial Times, Philips is not happy about CD Copy Protection. This follows what Fatchucks and Boycott-RIAA have been saying all along, that these are corrupted CDs, not copy-protected CDs. In addition Congressman Rick Boucher's letter asking for clarification on the technology from the RIAA and the IFPI and that the technology may violate the AHRA has raised the stakes.
Copy protection mechanisms on current audio CD's have no chance of success, in the opinion of Philips. Philips spokesperson Klaus Petri, speaking to Reuters, says its company counts on the fact that the refusal of consumers will convince the music industry to step back from copy-protected CD's.
Petri said that Philips could sue the manufacturers of CD's with copy protection (as managers of the world-wide CD patents), because they would not correspond to the standards. "those are silver disks with music on them, but which do not resemble CD's".
According to Verbraucherschuetzern, media reports and also the Elekronik company, complaints are accumulating over problems with the copy-protected media in recent times. They is resulting in that not all silver disks cannot be played in all drives. The industry would like to prevent CD's being copied by computers. Meanwhile according to the Philips spokesperson, new drives in CD Players and PC's resemble each other technically so much so that problems occur also in devices of entertainment electronics.
A list of "corrupted cds" can be found at boycott-riaa
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spyed
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Date: January 11, 2002 @ 8:44 PM
Exactly right... Good job Bill!
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Heidi
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Date: January 11, 2002 @ 11:08 PM
That is quite a list of "corrupted CDs." Quite a long list, actually.
~Heidi |
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RyanS
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 12:39 AM
Great Article!
Looking at the list of CDs that are suppose to be copy protected, kind of funny that of the ones I do have that are on that list, I have no problem copying them whatsoever.
When I buy CDs, first thing that happens is I copy them to a CD-R (for the car), rip to MP3 (so I can play them from my computer, since it is my home entertainment center), and put the original aside to it doesn't get messed up. If they find a way that I cannot play them on my PC, then it will be the time I will never buy another CD again. Just lucky enough at this point that the ones that are suppose to be copy protected I can copy.
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thumbtack
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 1:39 AM
They sometimes use what is called batch processing. Not all of a particular cd are protected, just enough to cause a problem for some users. By doing this there are conflicting reports as to whether there is a problem or not. |
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mtbatol
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 2:31 AM
so lets look at that list, we have one hit wonder Afroman, N Stink, and Brittney Speared. Oh well, I have no problem at all boycotting those cd's (i been had that Pac album ;). |
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PoorUnfortun...
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 7:06 AM
lmao mtbatol, I was thinking the same thing. "Whatever will I do if I cant reproduce a PINK cd!" I was laughing while reading the list, til I saw Dylan and Pink Floyd, thats maybe the only real loss, Creed too. All the rest of the "music" is already saturating the radio waves, Creed included.
Boo-Hoo, weep weep, I cant copy Tu-Pac ;-) ...and why BOTHER protecting the Afroman CD? Copy protection is a pointless waste of time, it only sharpens the skills of the people who create software to defeat the protection. "I was worried about the RIAA, and I know why, because I got high, because I got high, because I got hiiiiiiiiigh."..... |
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milladrive
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 8:50 AM
You can all laugh at the ones ya don't like and get angry at the ones ya do (typical), but lemme tell ya that that list is only gonna get longer unless the people allowed to make these decisions decide to change the way they're attacking the problem. ...And copy sales will contiune to plummet. Like the war on drugs, the head honchos are goin' about it the wrong way. |
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muskegon
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 9:54 AM
You'll probably hate me for saying this but my viewpoint is somewhere in between. When I buy a CD I feel I buy the right to possess my own copy of that music. I should be able to make as many copies of it I want to be able to have access to it where ever I want. On my computer, in the car, or on a portable.
I don't think people should freely distribute copies of music that they paid for to other people. In my mind that is stealing. I understand that people think that record companies charge too much etc. etc.
If it were possible (obviously not)to make identical copies of your Dodge Ram pickup and pass them out to your friends don't you think that would damage the Dodge company pretty quickly putting a lot of people out of work. I think the issue of copyrights is not as simple as we might think.
Bottom line. I think they need to come up with some sort of system that gives you an access code to make as many copies as you want for yourself but does't allow easy free distribution. |
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weaponzero
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 10:35 AM
I have a few CDs on the "The Americas" list, and a lot on the "probably crap production" list........ and all ripped perfectly well, not a single problem. |
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StpHinkle
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Date: January 12, 2002 @ 2:47 PM
I think all these protection systems do is frustrate consumers. Even for the labels, it may be BAD! The reason why is that less users will want to buy them.
I also bet some hackers will be inclined to come up with a program that will play and rip them. Even then, what is to stop someone from connecting an analog or SPDIF cable from their CD player to their sound card, record the tracks, save them as MP3s and put them up on Gnutella or Morpheus for others to download?
If protected CDs will only play on the windows operating system, I bet a hacker will write a program that plays them on Mac and Linux, and then a controversy like what happened with DeCSS will start all over again. If it gets too widespread, I bet Apple Computer and the GNU project, among others will sue the labels.
Last of all, the protection systems are not perfect. CloneCD can copy many protected CDs perfectly, as it is (bit by bit copies).
There have been reports that some CD-ROM drives out there, including certain Dell computers, an some Macintosh computers that were able to play and rip some protected cds. Since there are so many drive models in use, with different ROMs in them, different drivers, interfaces, and ripping programs, it is hard to predict just what systems will not be fooled by the protection.
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weaponzero
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Date: January 13, 2002 @ 8:44 AM
I used Easy CD-DA Extractor with Lame encoder and all the CDs that were on that list will burn perfectly fine. :O |
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thumbtack
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Date: January 15, 2002 @ 7:45 AM
Here is the translation of the original article in the German Financial Times do by a human rather than Google or Bablefish it makes it a little easier to understand.
Philips criticizes CD Protection
CD inventor Philips estimates that protection measures for audio CDs have no future. Complaints about problems with playing this discs would occur more frequently. Moreover, copy protection would miss it's target.
Philips spokesperson Klaus Petri said that his company, holding the world-wide patents for CDs, could actually file lawsuits against the manufacturers of CD copy protection, because they violate the standards. "These are silver discs containing music and looking like CDs, but they are not." But Philips considers lawsuits as unnecessary. "The consumer will take charge of this, and so the market will sort this out sooner than a court can", says Petri.
Filing lawsuits makes not sense as well because decisions are not to be expected before the patents expire this and next year, says Petri. The Dutch company Philips invented the CD about 20 years ago together with Sony and is now holding world-wide patents. Music industry insiders estimate that there are already millions of protected CDs on the German market. [...]
Playback protection causes problems
But according to consumer's rights organisations, media and complaints about problems with protected CDs occur more and more frequently. "You don't have the certainty that these discs will play on every device", says Philips spokesperson Petri. [...]
Complaints in the UK
But Philips thinks that copy protection hits the "wrong customers". Computer-Freaks and copy-raging kids already would know which programs circumvent copy protection measures, said Petri. These burned CDs are playable on any device again. "This leads to the absurd situation that you have to copy a CD before you can play it on every device." [...]
After massive complaints copy protection is off the table in the UK, said Petri. "The retailers simply refused to sell these CDs." The average CD buyer would more likely complain than deal with circumvention software. "We hope that German consumers will act likewise responsible." |
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