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Michael Greene's Fuzzy Math?
Posted by Bill Evans on March 1, 2002 at 9:15 AM   (printer friendly)

On Wednesday evening the National Academy for Recording Arts and Sciences held it's 44th Grammy Awards.

During the broadcast of the Grammys Wednesday evening Michael Greene, the controversial CEO of N.A.R.A.S. Gave a speech (most often refered to as "the rant") on the evils of filesharing. How it was destroying the industry. I wasn't watching, and at some point through the evening I got a call from a friend, who knows I follow things where the industry attacks the fans and artists, "Are you watching this?" "NO" I replied. "Turn it on NOW!" was the response before they hung up.

I found the remote and switched to CBS, and on the screen was Michael Greene and he was giving his lecture on filesharing. In fact, they had hired 3, as he described them "college age students" to download MP3 files for the past two days. He went on to say that the three had downloaded 6000 files in the past two days. He went on to point out how this was destroying the music industry "one download at a time". Something just didn't seem right, but I couldn't put my finger on it.

I have several issues with Mr. Greene commentary and statements Wednesday evening. Everyone seemed (at least the press) to accept the numbers that Mr. Greene spouted about the number of downloads. Lets do some math......

6000 downloads divided by three students. That's 2000 each. Now if NARAS locked them up in a room under threat of death or great rewards for that matter)for the 2 days (48 hours) and wouldn't let them stop downloading, that comes out to 41 2/3 downloads per hour per student. That's if they didn't stop for the entire 48 hours, no bathroom breaks, no food breaks, no time allowed for searching for the tunes. Now, more likely, they had them work 8 or 10 hours per day. Lets take a look at those numbers. 2000 per student, over two working days of 8 hours, comes out to 125 songs per hour. OK, so lets say they worked them 10 hour days. That still comes out to 100 files per hour per student. Now does this seem high to anyone? It certainly does. I have a broadband connection, that amazes the local techs at the speed. My connection is tweaked to provide the maximum speed available, and I can't download anything at that speed.

Now I know a little background on one of the "students", so I'll assume the computers were tweaked to the max MTU for maximum speed. Unless the test was a setup (faked), dedicated server, with the music on it. T1 or higher dedicated access so the student could download the music unimpeded by the normal ebb and flow of bandwidth of the internet. But it does raise questions about the test and the validity of Mr. Greene's rant (err speech).

This leads to point number 2
THE NARAS hired three students, gave them computers and told them to download all the songs they could. Unless the students were downloading from a specific, dedicated server where they had permission to be downloading, then they hired someone to break the law. You've got it on video tape. You announced it to the world, Unless the test was a dedicated server with dedicated lines, the three students are guilty of violating the No Electronic Theft Act. N.A.R.A.S. can not grant immunity under federal law, nor can Michael Greene, nor the labels for that matter. Remember last summer, when Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested under the DMCA? Abobe withdrew it's complaint and Dmitry was still charged with a federal crime under the DMCA. The charges weren't dropped. He agreed in a plea bargain to testify in the case against his employer, if called.) You've jeopardized these students futures. (That is unless the test was farce or setup) Well, Mr. Greene? The world is waiting for an answer.


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Frawgster  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 10:02 AM
"The world is waiting for an answer."

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Trust me, the world won't get an answer from the likes of Mr. Greene...he has only his fucking agenda in mind...not the 3 students who were 'hired' to break the law.

SuperB  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 10:57 AM
Yeah I saw It...And it was a nice try - but I'm still staying over here on the Dark Side, where music downloads are abundant (and so are blank CDRs).

SuperB  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 11:09 AM
Oh yeah and 6000 songs! That's Greene's way of winning over people who don't know what he's talking about in the first place. Right?

milladrive  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 11:41 AM
Two excellent points, Bill. I don't think we'll get an answer either, 'cause i don't think enuff of the media cares to dispute the stance, much less the numbers. :'

thumbtack  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 1:46 PM
If nothing else he gave downloaders a number to shoot for 6000 mp3's in two days (ok, 2000 for one person) Remember the who dies with the most mp3s wins.....I understand that even though the program was the number one program for the night, the number of viewers was down, from 26 Million last year, to around 19.6 million this year.....now he's alienated everyone who has ever shared a file.

Your-Mom  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 2:21 PM
I'm sure they use the same deceptive techniques to figure artist royalties. And I wouldn't be suprised to find that some of their music sales figures for the past year are a little fuzzy also. Recent press releases crying about music sales dropping are probably just more numbers thrown out to the public to make people think that file sharing is dramaticly reducing CD sales. And if there is a significant drop in CD sales, I would put the blame on the Recording Industries ignorant stance on new technologies and ways of delivering a product to customers. Also I think the never ending rise on CD prices is not helping anything!

thumbtack  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 5:03 PM
Or maybe the boycott is working :D I've bought more music during the past year than ever before, all independents, nothing from a label that is a member of the RIAA.

weaponzero  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 7:05 PM
nsync - bye bye bye copy 1.mp3
nsync - bye bye bye copy 2.mp3
nsync - bye bye bye copy 3.mp3
...
nsync - bye bye bye copy 5998.mp3
nsync - bye bye bye copy 5999.mp3



i think we get the point :|

weaponzero  
Date: March 1, 2002 @ 7:06 PM
what kind of auto-linking rubric does this site use???

Remye  
Date: March 3, 2002 @ 4:59 AM
how about let's learn a word boys and girls (and men and women).. how about..
Hypocrite. Nuff said?
Just my opinion etc etc etc...

TheWitchingHour  
Date: March 3, 2002 @ 9:34 PM
Same here Thumbtack..only indies. If I buy something from a major it is used and has to be at a cheap price..local pawn shops sell used discs .50-4.00 lol.



salvation  
Date: March 5, 2002 @ 7:56 PM
couldn't have said it better myself:

http://www.slantmagazine.com/music/features/grammygreene.html

d-jedi  
Date: February 27, 2003 @ 6:50 AM
Not that I support the RIAA, but your reasoning in this article is faulty, on two accounts.

1)
By my calculations, assuming each student downloaded 2000 MP3s, and assuming each MP3 is 5MB (a reasonable assumption), they'd have to download 10000MB. That's 10240000 KB (remember, 1MB = 1024KB).

They had 48 hours to do it (remember also that they don't have to physically be at their computer for P2P to work), that's 172800 seconds.

So what transfer rate is required?
/ =

therefore, 59KB/s is required for each student. That's not impossible to obtain, as an average over 48 hours.

2) They would only violate the NET act, if I understand it correctly, if they did not own copies of the songs themselves.

Working as agents of the RIAA, they are assumed to "own" (or, more accurately, have rights to) everything the RIAA owns. Therefore, unless the students downloaded non-RIAA-member copyrighted works, they are not in violation of the NET act.

d-jedi  
Date: February 27, 2003 @ 6:52 AM
hmm. It appears that angled braces are not allowed. the transfer rate calculation should be as follows:

{data to transfer} / {time to transfer} = {transfer rate}

thumbtack  
Date: February 27, 2003 @ 5:48 PM
Actually they were at the computers for 10 hours a day, left them running but they all hung over night sometime according to Numair who was one of the downloaders. They found that P2P was to unreliable, and at least one switched to an instant messenger and had a friend send them files.

I wish I had your connection, as I have rarley seen transfer rates anywhere near that and I have a cable connection. I hear the same from others. Numair did an interview with the New York Times shortly after my speculation above, that explained exactly how it was all done, and the spin that was placed on what was done and how. Actually did NARAs have permission from the RIAA to dl that music that is a question in itself. Were there any artists such as the Beatles or Eagle who won't allow their music online? If so the RIAA members don't have the permission to give permission to someone else.

thumbtack  
Date: February 27, 2003 @ 5:52 PM
Check out:
for the true story behind the scenes;
http://query.nytimes.com/search/article-page.html?res=9D06E5D81530F934A35750C0A9649C8B63

thumbtack  
Date: February 27, 2003 @ 5:54 PM
From the article:Mr. Faraz estimated that 4,000 of the songs were sent as private messages using Instant Messenger, and a few songs were legitimate authorized downloads from the Web site MP3.com.

OldSchoolHipHop  
Date: August 23, 2003 @ 9:16 PM
d-jedi sucks