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Open Mouth, Insert Foot, RIAA Does it again
Posted by Bill Evans on December 16, 2002 at 8:29 AM   (printer friendly)

Last week it was reported that the RIAA along with the US Secret Service had made a huge bust in the borough of Queens, NY.

We applaud the RIAA and Secret Service? for finally going after the real pirates, which they've pretty much left alone while accusing their very customers of being pirates for sharing files via P2P programs, limiting the ability to play cds on our computers and in general treating their customers like thieves. However there are some questions that need answering. Such as how many CD-R burners were there really?

From the RIAA Press release:

"....leading to the capture of 35,000 finished CD-Rs, 10,000 DVDs, the equivalent of 421 CD-R burners and the arrest of three individuals. This operation alone had the potential to cost the industry an estimated $90 million annually."

When I first read this I asked myself "What is an equivalent of a CD-R burner other than a CD-R burner?" But I let it pass. I was wondering why the US Secret Service was involved with something like this, rather than their primary functions of protecting the President and counterfeiting of US currency. But I let it pass. Mistakenly so it seems.

The Register is reporting that, in actuality, it wasn't 421 CD-R burners, but in fact 156. The explanation? According to the Register article the RIAA official line was: "There were only 156 actual burners, but some run at very high speeds: some as high as 40x. This is well above the average speed,"

In all fairness I've contacted the RIAA and asked for a clarification of how many CD-R burners there actually were, and how the Secret Service came to be involved. This was on Sunday. As of yet I have to receive a reply, but be assured that I will update this article as soon as they reply. (which by the way, they always have.)

This once again raises the credibility issue with RIAA statements as to numbers, dollars, and in general anything they have to say. Remember when Hilary Rosen testifies in front of Congress, not once has she or any other hearing been "on the record" so to speak. Not one person has been sworn in, nor can they be charged with perjury for lying. These are information gathering venues, in which the Congress has been lied to, told half truths, and generally deceived.

On a personal note this reminds me very much of the Vietnam war in which "body counts" were quite regularly inflated to show that we were winning the war, and we all know how that turned out.

This once again raises the issue of the credibility.

The RIAA Press Release

The Register Article

TDK 52X CD-R Burner only $129.00 (only 1, but it counts as several) ;)


User Comments (These do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of this site)

milladrive  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:10 AM
:footmouth:

Expose  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:15 AM
Well good. Pirates are pirates when they make a profit. They should be going after them, not us. Giving and selling are two very different things.

And we sure have an emoticon for everything don't we? :rofl:

milladrive  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:18 AM
:yes:

milladrive  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:28 AM
"This is well above the average speed."

I just went lookin' at burners on Saturday, and from what I saw, I'd say the standard is now 48x and 52x.

Expose  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:29 AM
I agree. Unless you have a laptop, the average is 40-48 on most computers right now. 52 is you're buyin' a new computer.

thumbtack  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:46 AM
I'm still quite happy with my 24X....altough 2 1/2 minutes for a cd sounds kinda nice. I'm current just over 5 min for a full CD. Still quite reasonable...compared to the first one I had. 2X the size of a shoebox, weighed about 25 pounds, CDR Media cost $25 ea. disc..about half were coasters. circa cost $4500 Oh you want software? That's another $900. External SCSI. It made a nice paper weight...

Expose  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:47 AM
I have a 16x. Damn laptop burner... :(

Svensta  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:48 AM
CD burners are the cheapest hardware OUT there. You can score a new 48x burner for next to nothing now. I found one recently on pricegrabber for 57 bucks. Sounds like 50x is the new standard.

unless they were counting each burner as 52 1x burners.

Or they just like nice big fat numbers.

Expose  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 10:46 AM
Why do you need to burn so fast?

My main concern with CD burners is that they are %100 Linux compatible, will last, and will not make coasters. Speed is not the highest concern.

If I put a V12 engine and a few things to make my 14 year old falling apart oldsmobile fast, would you want it? I don't think so.

Frawgster  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 1:51 PM
"Why do you need to burn so fast?"

My thoughts exactly. I'm more than happy with my 8x burner. Hell, I was pleased with my 4x burner back in the day. :shrug:

IlluSionS667  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 3:37 PM
This shows the main problem of the RIAA. The problem with the RIAA and similar organisations is that they don't keep up with time. If they would, Cds would allready have been a lot cheaper, and P2P-ing would be legal. Becuz cheaper CDs would mean more CDs bought (even if P2P-ing would be legal), record companies might have actually earned more money than they did.... But probably those guys took their studies in Amish county.

shoshidge  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 8:11 PM
I bought a 32x burner about 6 months ago and thought I was the hottest shit on the block, i guess that's how it goes with computers
Also, faster burners means more expensive cd-r's, how much is an extra minute or so worth anyway?

Your-Mom  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 8:11 PM
What's a "CD Burner"?

milladrive  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:32 PM
hehe@YM :D

I too am happy with my 24x. I have a feelin' that by the time I'm in need of a new burner, they'll be writin' at 256x. heh

ChillinBuzz  
Date: December 16, 2002 @ 9:41 PM
I personally think that CD burners could burn discs in the blink of an eye, they just haven't found a way to convince Microsoft to release a patch for Winblows :D

TheWitchingHour  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 12:50 AM
156 is the same as 421.



TheWitchingHour  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 12:51 AM
My car is also a jaguar because it has a v8.


goofycaca  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 1:15 AM
The RIAA falsely inflated the numbers to make it look worse than it is?

Who woulda thunk it?

RyanS  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 4:15 AM
As everyone else has said, I'm very happy with my Plextor 24/10/40.

I remember reading somewhere that burners higher than 24x only burn data CDs at those high speed, and not audio? Maybe they do now, but they didn't when I bought my Plex earlier this year. Plus, methinks anything over 24x is overkill.

thrakamazog  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 5:19 AM
Heh heh - I think I'll put my old 24x burner on ebay and try to sell it to someone at the RIAA as "The equivalent of 24 CD ROM burners - only $1200.00!"

goldenpi  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 11:34 AM
I have a cd writer. Its 2x. Seriously.

milladrive  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 1:54 PM
lol :o

Remye  
Date: December 17, 2002 @ 8:52 PM
I have a 12x8x32x burner, and it's great! who cares what *I* have tho? I want "the equivalent" of whatever those 90 million dollar thieves had! Only cost me about 50 bux installed with my new system, and with the 52x cd rom I have, I can burn audio in just under three mintues.. complete "pure digital copies".. whatever the fuck that means anymore.
point is, it's fine. and yes, I'd buy your olds if YOU put in the V-12, but only if it was a five speed with power windows.

goldenpi  
Date: December 19, 2002 @ 7:30 AM
90 million RIAA dollers is equal to 4500000 CDs, with a real dollar worth of $225k.