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Time Magazine Loses Journalistic Perspective
Posted by Bill Evans on May 1, 2003 at 7:24 PM   (printer friendly)

Time Magazine Loses Journalistic Perspective

Time Magazine Loses Journalistic Perspective

By George Ziemann

In the May 5 issue of Time magazine, it become very obvious that the truth is sold to the highest bidder. Interestingly enough, Time's story indicates that the RIAA is lying again. Or their story is wrong. One or the other. Their numbers don't even come close to jiving with the RIAA's 2002 End of Year statistics.


April 30, 2003

Dear Time Magazine,
I would like to reply to the story from your May 5 issue, titled, "It's All Free!"
I found this story on the Internet at the following address.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030505-447204-1,00.html

As a musician and a recording artist, albeit unsigned, with 30 years of experience in the music industry, in one form or another, I take serious issues with the story you have presented. As with each and every story on this topic which I have seen in the major media, you have not provided one shred of empirical data to support the "downloading is theft" myth than "sales are down."

Let's start with Page one of the online article, paragraph 3.

"CD shipments last year were down 9%, on top of a 6% decline in 2001."


They shipped out 9 percent less product. Maybe. According to the RIAA's own 2002 Yearend Statistics (freely available at www.riaa.org), this figure represents net units shipped after returns. Did they ship less? Or did they get more back?

You did not answer this simple question. Without doing so, your analysis is based on assumptions, not facts.

Page 2 Paragraph 5
"Now that last year's numbers are in, we have the answer. According to Nielsen SoundScan, CD album sales slid from 712 million units in 2001 to 680 million in 2002. CD sales in the first quarter of 2003 were down 15 million units from last year. Or look at it this way: in 2000 the top 10 albums in America sold 60 million copies; in 2001, 40 million; in 2002, 33 million. Nobody knows for sure exactly how much of the decline is caused by piracy, but it's safe to say the answer is somewhere between "some of it" and "most of it." Sure, the economy had a down year, but people found enough spare change in their couches to boost sales of MP3 players 56% over 2001. And while consumers bought about 680 million albums last year, they purchased 1.7 billion blank CDs - up 40% from the year before."

This is particularly interesting in that the same 2002 year-end statistics indicate that in 2002, retail sales of ALL FORMATS COMBINED were 675.7 units. You say they sold 680 million full-length CDs. What happened to the other almost 200 million units that were shipped?

Likewise, in 2001, the RIAA reports that only 788.6 million retail units were sold, in all formats. Your story says 712 million units were CDs.
And do not forget that, in 2001, the industry shipped 968.5 million physical units. Only 733.1 million are reported as sold (all formats) by the RIAA. What happened to the other 255.4 million physical units?

In fact, using the average retail value provided by the RIAA, in the last five years, the industry has shipped out enough free goods to finance the war in Iraq. $20 billion. Don't try to say that they're in the record stores or may be coming back eventually. The missing units from 1997 still haven't turned up.

If the industry explains away more than half of these free goods, they have been lying to the artists for years, all of which are charged 15% off of their royalties for free goods. So we're looking at a minimum of $10 billion over five years, an average of $2 billion a year.

And speaking of lies to the artists, what about a 25% packaging fee which reduces a $10 wholesale base royalty by $2.50. I can buy CDs from www.discmakers.com for as low as 99 cents each. If I go with my four-color, fourpage insert, it costs $1.89. But if I run more than 1,000 at once, my cost drops. And Don Henley is getting charged $2.50 for the packaging alone.

Page 2 Paragraph 7
"Reality bit, and deep. In 2001 EMI brought in new top management, including chairman of EMI Recorded Music Alain Levy, to help navigate the brave new digital world. The administration promptly laid off 1,800 employees (20% of EMI's staff), which helped absorb the impact when sales fell 10% in 2002 - and created an executive position, global head of antipiracy."

Why doesn't EMI's 2001 end-of-year report say anything about piracy? What it DOES say is that EMI is one of the most efficient record labels in the world.

Remember, I can get CDs produced, fully packaged, screen-printed, four-page insert, jewel case, shrink wrap and barcoded for a maximum of $1.89 each. EMI's Cost of Goods Sold, according to Hoover's Online is currently 71 percent of revenue -- for a product that costs them less than a dollar to make and wholesales for $10 to $12. If this is the most efficient label in the world, it's no wonder that every label's stock price is currently about half of what it was last year at this time. I'm selling my CDs for $5 and I'm making $3 on every one.

I belong to ASCAP, both as a writer and as a publisher. I have my own label, MacWizards Music. It's very small, but it's a lot more efficient than EMI. I make my CDs one at a time. At home. On my Mac. On CD-Rs.

You want to know who is buying all the CD-Rs? Me. And the other 50,000 independent acts just like me. I've bought a couple of hundred in the last 12 months. I'm putting my music on it, not Sting's.

Page 3 Paragraph 5
The ruling is a stinging blow for the R.I.A.A. and the M.P.A.A., which brought the suit (and will appeal it), and it tells us a lot about how the war against piracy will be fought. If file-sharing services won't sit still and be sued, individual users will make easier targets. Case in point: lawsuits filed last month against students at Princeton, Michigan Technological University and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute that seek billions of dollars in damages - $150,000 for each pirated song.

This was certainly a sound business decision, wasn't it? Sue the core market demographic and then complain when they stop buying CDs. And don't just sue people off the street. No, that's too easy. Sue the next generation of lawyers and technical-savvy college students. The RIAA already can't keep it's website running.

Page 4 Paragraph 1
But the legal fight is far from a sure thing. Copyright laws are slippery and subjective - the judge in the Grokster case made a special plea in his ruling asking Congress to fix gaps in the laws that cover file sharing.

Yes, please, let's fix the gaps. Because there is a lot more authorized music that is out there that we are begging people to listen to than there are those that are asking us not to. Ours is willingly given. We want you to listen to it.
www.dmusic.com -- 4000 acts. More than EMI and Warner Music combined.
www.garageband.com -- 85,000 songs in the current catalog. All free. All authorized for public use.

And while we're talking about the legal fight, what about mp3.com? Let's see, it is stealing to download music. Vivendi owns mp3.com. Look at some of the people who have authorized music there:
Bon Jovi, Carmine Appice, Bacon Brothers, Christopher Cross, Cowboy Junkies, David Bowie, Eric Clapton, Foo Fighters, Four Tops, Godsmack, Gregg Rolie, Jerry Lee Lewis, Jimmy Buffett, Jimmy Eat World, John Mayer, Linkin Park, Little Richard, Mariah Carey, Pat Travers, Peter Gabriel, REM, Rod Stewart, Roger McGuinn, Sinead O'Connor, Spencer Davis Group, Wallflowers, The Who, Tom Jones, Van Morrison, Ziggy Marley, Michelle Branch.

If I want to post mp3s there, I can post one. Otherwise, stealing from me is not enough. I must pay Vivendi for the privilege.

This rule went into effect on January 15, 2003. On this single day, Vivendi unceremoniously deleted about 80% of the authorized free content which, until their acquisition of mp3.com, had been dominated by independent artists.

No one will acknowledge that there is ANY authorized music, much less admit that it comprised the bulk of the music available on the Internet. You just don't know where to look. And how do you tell the authorized from the unauthorized Eric Clapton or Bon Jovi songs? Until you admit that there is authorized music, you can't even approach this question..

"Still, you don't have to be Alanis Morissette to spot the irony in a zillionaire celebrity pleading for sympathy. "

Did you pay attention to the Napster hearings? Alanis argued that mp3s were a promotional tool. Don Henley said that the RIAA did not represent the artists.

"After a spoofed version of Madonna's new album, American Life, started circulating on the Net, featuring a recording of the Material Girl saying "What the f--- do you think you're doing?", a hacker took over the singer's website, Madonna.com, and posted real, downloadable MP3s of every song on the album."

Although it backfired, ask Madonna how much she spent creating that mp3 file. And how fast it went around the world.

Page 5
Pressplay and the other "legitimate" music services are more reliable than Kazaa and its ilk. For one thing, there's no porn and no spoofing, and Apple's new offering is expected to give the whole process a more streamlined, user-friendly feel. These services also give customers the peace of mind that comes with not breaking the law. It will be interesting to see how much that's worth. But for now listeners are staying away in droves; industry analysts estimate that the legitimate downloading services have fewer than 300,000 users in all.

The "spoof" files are placed the by the RIAA or people working for them, according to Hilary Rosen at the recent NARM convention where she was named Humanitarian of the Year. (Note to NARM -- the next generation of musicians is going to find something besides t-shirts to sell).

"Can copy protection stand up to a hacker army of teenage Jon Johansens? It's possible."

No it's not. I am an audio engineer. If I can hear it, I can re-record it. There is nothing you, or Hilary Rosen, or the FBI or anyone else can do to stop me. Ever.
Unless they start releasing blank CDs.

"But all this raises an interesting question: What if the pirates win? ... The major music labels would disappear; ditto the record stores that sell their CDs."

The major labels were created to connect the consumer and the artist. That was their initial purpose. Today, for the first time in history, I can reach a global audience without them. And also for the first time in history, the record label is the greatest obstacle between the consumers and the artists.

We don't need them any longer unless they evolve into some sort of service entity. And a service entity has no claim to my copyrights. Ever. Or 90 percent of the profit from my product.

"The age of millionaire rock stars would be over; they would become as much a historical curiosity as the landed aristocracy is today. Instead, musicians would scratch out a living on the touring circuit, since in an age of free music the only commodity they would control is live performance, along with any merchandise they could hawk in the parking lot after the show."

What you have described is the situation today. The Los Angeles Times recently featured a story about the band Incubus, revealing that a 30% royalty on a $10 wholesale price is $1.85. If that's not bad enough, the band sold 7 million copies but still owes on their $4.25 million advance.

Without a record label, Natalie Merchant believes that 50,000 copies of her new CD will earn her more money that her last major-label album, which was a "flop" at more than a million copies sold.

What aboout the free advertising potential? How many millions of dollars can each and every artist save by dropping one mp3 file on the Net instead of paying Clear Channel to broadcast it?

Yes, there is a matter of control. I'm allowing my first CD to be downloaded. All of it. If I'm successful, maybe the next one, I'll only want to share half. On the other hand, mp3s are NOT CD quality music. They sound worse than a transistor radio. They only contain 10 percent of the original data. If you think mp3s are a substitute for the CD, I'm not going to sell you a CD anyway. Your ears don't work well enough to make you a customer or a fan.

"The entertainment industry's grand plan for surviving piracy isn't just about the stick; there's a carrot too, a big one. The Internet offers a whole new way of selling music, and when music and movie executives are not expressing their outrage over downloading, they are salivating over a potentially massive revenue opportunity."

As I said earlier, the musicians of the world no longer need the major labels. Unless the RIAA successfully criminalizes the mp3 file for anyone's use but their own. Then they control the entire market. Again.

This is about control. Nothing more. Complete and total market domination.
They're going to charge you just as much to listen to inferior mp3 files as they expected you to pay for the CD. And they wonder why no one is logging on. Perhaps if the record labels started introducing something that people wanted to hear instead of suing their core market demographic, business would turn around.

Or maybe it's too late already.

 



User Comments (These do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of this site)

goofycaca  
Date: May 1, 2003 @ 8:18 PM
Send in the reply, I would love to see how Time reacts when it's pointed out that their "respectable" news is no longer all that respectable.

spikester  
Date: May 1, 2003 @ 8:24 PM
This story pissed me off, i read it the other day....

"Can copy protection stand up to a hacker army of teenage Jon Johansens? It's possible."

Because of that, we can now play DVD's wherever the hell we want, on whatever OS we want, whatever software we want, without the MPAA telling us where.

Jon's idea was not to pirate, it was to play DVD's without the MPAA's "uncrackable" CSS controlling us.

The MPAA lawsuit aganst the DVD Xcopy program is hidious.

M1  
Date: May 1, 2003 @ 9:04 PM
That's the problem with the DMCA...the kid didnt even steal anything...he made it possible to watch his legally paid-for DVDs.

Which is my main beef with the RIAA,MPAA and whoever else had their hand in buying the DMCA.

M1  
Date: May 1, 2003 @ 9:05 PM
P.S. Yes I know the Johansen case wasn't in the US and he wasn't breaking the DMCA by hacking CSS....if it was he would have been found guilty and probably sent to prison.




gdZiemann  
Date: May 1, 2003 @ 11:01 PM
As I put in an earlier post, I got an update from GarageBand today. Between them and DMusic alone -- approximately 68,000 artists.

EMI - 1,100

gdZiemann  
Date: May 1, 2003 @ 11:52 PM
To put things in an historical perspective, wipe your mental slate clean for a moment. If you're old enough, picture that it's 1968.

Paul McCartney and John Lennon show up on television and say, "We'd like for you not to listen to the radio any longer, please. We are being taken advantage of. Our sales are down and it's because the radios play our whole damn album and everyone can just tape them. Just buy our music without listening to it. We promise not to make a REALLY crappy album."

viscix  
Date: May 1, 2003 @ 11:53 PM
I'm still getting used to seeing these arguments taken apart so completely, good to see the questions (and rejections!) coming out.

I'd like to tweak the audiophile argument that anyone who thinks .mp3's are good enough isn't a customer anyway.
"Long" term that might change (though it wouldn't be mp3), and if CD quality is your safety-net them, in the context of this debate, you're stuck back at square one.

The point I see you making (that needs to keep being made until people accept it) is that you don't need to control the distribution of your work nearly as much as you need to control its commerce*. Distribution is just RIAA's means of controlling the commerce of the works. At this point, they are attempting to steal control of what rightfully belongs to artists and are introducing incredible inneficiency in the process, such that much more work produces much less for everyone, except them. As such, they need to vanish or find something worthwhile to do.

*Sorry to munge the language and be so abstract, I'm not always a good writer. What I mean is, the artists should be in charge of the money their work generates, the details of CDR's and mp3s are ultimately beside the point.

gr8bluesgtr  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 12:44 AM
viscix, you touched on a point that has bothered me for a long time. Record companies were first invented to get music to people in mass quantities quickly. But now, the purpose of a record company has been eliminated because artists can get their music out faster without a record company, with 0 politics. A local CD company just went out of business here, and was complaining about piracy. My question is this. What is more important here: Artists losing money, or record labels and CD resellers losing money. The solution of having a pay-per-download system is great. Especially if the money goes to the artists directly. But even with that solution, CD resellers are out of luck. Their business has been made obsolete. People may end up still paying for music via the web, but CD stores are a thing of the past.

gdZiemann  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 12:50 AM
We're pretty much in agreement here. I think the place I probably could have been clearer was in my reference to not being a customer anyway.

The details of the CD and mp3s ARE ultimately beside the point. I guess the analogy I was trying to make is that if you are happy listening to mp3s, much in the manner that some people are perfectly content to listen to the radio all day, and feel no desire to actually purchase a product, I'm probably not going to sell you a CD, even if you like it.

As I've said before, I will be happy if only 1/1000 of 1 percent of the population buys my band's CD. But I'm thinking I've got to get it inside a lot more pairs of ears before that can happen.

And maybe by next year, when we have a new CD, that guy who was happy with mp3s last year might have a better job. A few more bucks to spend. And my music will have been slowly growing on him for a year.

Because he listened to it for free.

He still might not buy it yet. But now he might.

directive  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 1:57 AM
George,
Here are 2 things so far i dislike about the article.
The sarcastic tone of some of the article is pretty bad reporting, especially when it comes to those they paint as downloading a lot.
Second, they paint a picture that all kazaa users are illegal file sharers. What a joke!
Third: This statement "If just one copy leaks onto Kazaa, anywhere in the world, millions of people can have all the copies they want." is so true, but there is not much they can do. They make it sound like the RIAA can stop this, yeah right. When they start to admit they can't control the internet, that will be a great day!
Fourth: They are sueing there future customers, or threatening them, there are millions of people filesharing, they just don't get it.
Here is a thing i like though: "There's another problem with suing people: it doesn't make you popular with your customers" I AGREE WITH THAT !!!
My last reason to get frustrated is this: THEY NEVER MENTION any INDIE artists!!!! They will hopefully wipe out the RIAA!!
This article has some good points, but still misses many points!

gdZiemann  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 2:55 AM
And people wonder why I'm screaming and calling people names to get their attention.

It's kind of the same way my dog lets me know when it's hungry and I forgot to feed it. It barks at me until I get up and see what its problem is.

I'm that annoying dog. If I have to, I'll piss in someone's shoe to get someone to feed us. While they're still wearing it.

Because like you say, directive, they never mention the Indies. We've apparently got a lot more shoes to fill up before this is over.

griev101  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 4:51 AM
I agree with the rest of the article, but when it comes the quality of mp3s and being able to tell the difference, for the most part you're wrong. Granted the most commonly shared quality mp3s are ripped at 128kbps, and the sound quality of these is easily noticeable, higher quality rips are becoming more apparent as of late. The reason why only 10% of the data is kept is because the human ear is incapable of hearing the good percentage of data that?fs recorded into an audio track, thus making the majority of the audio information unneeded. We're imperfect beings; we aren?ft computers, and the ear is only capable of hearing so much. You're quoted saying "If you think mp3s are a substitute for the CD, I'm not going to sell you a CD anyway. Your ears don't work well enough to make you a customer or a fan."
Not everybody is you; in fact the percentage of people who listen to mp3s is most likely only a very small amount of people which have the proper (expensive) equipment to tell the difference between an mp3 and an original audio file. If you take a look here, and look at the 320kbps rips for both ogg (a new variable bit rate compression technique) and MP3 put up against and audio CD, they're damned near identical.

Do some more research and give some more thought towards the common people before jumping to conclusions about how horrible you claim compressed audio is. If you plan on only selling to those who can only tell the difference between an mp3 and the original audio, prepared to be put out of business as quick as you hope the RIAA to be.

Good luck with your battle, but watch where you swim when you?fre treading the waters of mp3 quality.

griev101  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 4:53 AM
Post didn't support HTML markup, here is the link I was referring to.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles/oggvslame/

kneo24  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 10:55 AM
On this discussion about quality of audio files.

Some people have those golden ears and can notice the difference. Some people can not.

There are some factors to consider here.
1. As I pointed out earlier, some people have better hearing than others. Also, there are some people who can hear the low frequencies, but not the high ones, and vice versa. Most people can hear as low as 20hz and as high as 22khz. What you usually hear is around the 15khz mark.

2. The quality of the speakers and headphons. Not everyone can afford those brand new fancy ones. Obviously with better quality speakers and headphones, you're going to be able to pick up more.

3. The 'ripping' program. Each one uses a plugin a little differently. Some make the files sound worse than they should, and some make them sound a whole lot better than you ever expected.

4. The Plugin itself. Some plugins just start out bad, but get better over time because of changes that were made. There is always going to be a noticeable difference between the latest one and the oldest one.

5. Conversion can be a huge factor. How many times was the file converted from one format to another? Each format uses different compression techniques. You'll eventually start to lose a lot of sound that you didn't want to lose.

6. Bitrates. This is a duh thing. Naturally the higher bitrates are going to sound better, but that is if you have the hearing for it.


With all of these factors taken into consideration, I can see both sides of the arguement. An mp3 at 128 could sound bad compared to what's on CD, or it can sound damn near close.

gdZiemann  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 12:06 PM
I hear a difference when I downsample my original recording to CD quality. By the time it hits an mp3, it's a shadow of its former song.

As I said above, this is not meant as an insult to the consumer, it's just a statement of fact. If you can't hear the difference, then there is no impetus to buy a CD.

As to the additional remark I made that you probably won't be a fan, either, that's based on my band's music. Our music is not about "it's got a good beat and I can dance to it, I give it an 88." Our music is about layers and nuances, spatial relationships between sounds, texture and fabric.

A lot of that doesn't make it to the mp3s. So if you don't buy the CD, you really haven't heard all the music and you're not really our fan yet, even if you think you like our stuff.

This is all circular to my original stance that mp3s are promotional and should be given freely. I simply feel that if I try to charge you for an mp3, I am cheating you as a consumer.

Remember, I'm not trying to get free music, I'm trying to give some away. Most of our songs have about 20 individual audio tracks that are mixed together, some as many as 24. For each individual track, be it a kick drum or the lead vocal, I have spent 2-3 hours listening to that track over and over to bring out each and every little relevant sound that improves the overall mix and remove the ones that detract.

So before I even view the song as a whole, I've got about two week's of full-time work into that song's parts.

If an mp3 is the end result, I've wasted an awful lot of time because much of that work disappears in the mp3 encoder.

If that's good enough for you, okay. But you haven't heard my music yet. It's a bad copy whether you know it or not.

As a result, I feel morally obligated NOT to ask you to pay for it. Madonna feels morally obligated to charge as much as the CD recording.

It's a matter of personal ethics, personal motivation and personal artistic control. As the copyright owner, I am the only one with the right to place a specific value on my work. I can sell the entire package to a record label, but I give away my copyrights and control over my own work.

It should be my decision how to market my product and place a fair market value on it, not Hilary Rosen's or Sony's or EMI's.

It's my music. Whether you agree with my opinion or not is irrelevant, unless I'm asking you to pay more than the product is worth and you refuse to buy it.

But I'm offering free samples. The price cannot be too high. It's free. It's my advertising for the real audio recording.

gdZiemann  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 12:21 PM
goofycaca -- I did send this to Time, at least a shorter version of it (on recommendation of a volunteer editor).

We'll see. But AOL owns Time, who owns Warner Music. So don't hold your breath.

spikester  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 12:40 PM
MP3's suck, even oggvorbis is a much more better format, theres even lossless compression formats out there, but they have a 2 or 3:1 ratio from wave files. But until everyone starts to share lossless encoded files, the RIAA's perfect cd quality claim will never stand up. This is also why I will never pay 99 cents for a song. If it was encoded lossless, or a wave file, then its another story. But they cant fit their silly DRM crap in real files. They need all this propetuary shit.

directive  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 1:17 PM
George,
When is that meeting this month at UCLA?
Can u post the details here, like time, date, and address of location.
Thanks

directive  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 1:17 PM
Also,
If Time is owned by AOL, they probably won't care.

gdZiemann  
Date: May 2, 2003 @ 10:20 PM
The Los Angeles, California round of public hearings will be held on May 14 and 15, 2003 in the Moot Court Room, Room 1310, of the UCLA School of Law, 405 Hilgard Avenue, Los Angeles, CA.

I'm scheduled for May 14. 9 a.m.
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As for Time, they did acknowledge receipt of my comments. And I referred it to someone who may have a little influence there, despite the obvious RIAA connection the mag has.
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Spikester -- Still too much. A physical CD should not cost the consumer more than $10. I'm making money at $5. If I get popular, I might be able to raise the price a couple of bucks. In any other business, this would be more than a comfortable profit margin. I've tracked accounting for things like rocks (polished, tumbled stones -- amethyst, quartz, agate, things like that), jewelry, screenprinted tees, belt buckles, all kinds of stuff.

Most manufacturers basically double their cost to come up with a wholesale price and fine-tune from there for a good market value. Most retailers do the same, if possible. If they're in a high-rent location (like and airport), the retail might end up triple the wholesale price.

A mass-produced CD costs less than a buck to make. There is no reason it should cost more than $10. And no justification, especially if the artist is only making $2. What about art? Lyrics? Photos? Packaging? Or is it sufficient to snag that stuff from the artist's web site?

So how much is the music worth? At CD quality? I'd say it depends who gets the money.

If the artist is only getting $2 now for a 10-12 song CD (and most I've looked at lately have more), then they're getting 20 cents a song.

If the artist could get 50 cents a song without a label in the middle, their income has more than doubled. If we pay $1 and the label IS in the middle, the artist is still lucky if they see 20 cents.


directive  
Date: May 3, 2003 @ 2:33 AM
Thanks

directive  
Date: May 3, 2003 @ 2:58 AM
George,
Just downloaded another 40-50 mp3's from garageband.com into my kazaa shared folder.
Thanks

RythmMethod  
Date: May 3, 2003 @ 6:28 PM
Let's see,...Time..I recall in the 60's when a Time lapdog, I think it was Warner, bought the film that Mr.Zapruder shot of the Kennedy murder,chop the film, play the frames out of synch, and declared that Kennedy was shot from behind by a lone assassin. Anyone who saw both versions could clearly see that the "headsnap' was a direct reaction to the head being slammed backwards by the actual fatal shot.Soapboxing here,,,,anyway, see they relation here? See who AOL Time Warner HBO SHOWTIME CINEMAX RIAA SONY really represent? They stand for everything we have gone to war against. Sorry for ranting.But anything AOL Time Warner really pisses me off.