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Senator Hatch Wants to Destroy Your Computer..

Posted by Bill Evans on June 17, 2003 at 8:58 PM (printer friendly)

"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions, he said.

Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., who has been active in copyright debates in Washington, urged Hatch to reconsider. Boucher described Hatch's role as chairman of the Judiciary Committee as "a very important position, so when Senator Hatch indicates his views with regard to a particular subject, we all take those views very seriously."

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What Senator Hatch fails to realize is that the very act of accessing the internet and visitng any website ALL users have copyrighted files from someone else on their computer. Some of the computer industires lobbyists need to get off of the rear end and explain that to the uninformed and misguided Senator from Utah. In addition YOU need to get busy was well.

The first place to start is to write your Senator and Congressperson and let them know just how inconceivable this is. The second that you write anything, hmm a song, paint anything it is copyrighted. Emails included. Senator Hatch has opened Pandora's Box with these comments, but even worse he has shown America how little he really understands about the way computers work. And this is the man that presides of the Committee that has control over technology and copyright issues..Be Afraid, Be very Afriad.

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M1	Date: June 17, 2003 @ 9:47 PM Funny stuff there. I bet Hatch thinks Al Gore actually did invent the internet.

Mediamaster	Date: June 17, 2003 @ 9:52 PM Kill everyone who shoplifts, "If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" Hail Mp3!!!

W-B	Date: June 17, 2003 @ 9:58 PM Only thing is, it ISN'T funny. Mr. Hatch is DEAD SERIOUS in his contempt for the rest of us, in thinking that by destroying people's computers it will somehow solve everything with respect to this issue. I don't think it's a case of him "failing to realize," but rather that he simply DOESN'T CARE about the rest of us "peasants" who are being sucked dry by the aftereffects of job exporting, shrinking wages, high taxes (if living in places like New York City), and so on. All he (and the other political . . . er, prostitutes) cares about is corporate profit$$$, and screw the rest of us. Furthermore, I seem to recall that in countries like China, there is similar or equivalent software in place to sabotage the computers of individuals who use the 'Net to access "banned" political groups, as well as software to destroy the computers of independent journalists who criticize the government, and so forth. While the aims of the large corporations and their political and judicial stooges here may differ from, say, the Beijing regime's, the tacticology, as I cannot emphasize enough, is eerily similar.

directive	Date: June 17, 2003 @ 10:04 PM Have u noticed latly that congress with there passing of the DMCA doesn't really care about anybody nor should this be a suprise. File sharing isn't going anywhere but becoming more popular, if congress expects to police the internet they will be going down a path that takes them to a dead end. Thanks

goat1974	Date: June 17, 2003 @ 10:20 PM from www.opensecrets.org Top Contributors #15. Viacom INC $18,750 #20. Walt Disney $17,000 funny thing is the rest of Sen. Hatch's top contributors are mostly pharmacutical companies or telecommunications companies. Sen. Hatch ought to give up a retire.

goat1974	Date: June 17, 2003 @ 10:22 PM oops I forgot--- Top Industries #4. Music/TV/Movies- $175,322

WeedWhacker	Date: June 17, 2003 @ 11:35 PM Fortunately, this type of thing has only been the sole focus of the IT security industry for... oh... since the early days of the Internet. I fail to see how a non-hardware industry has any means to implement anything of this type without co-operation from a hardware vendor, a vendor that will most likely never manufacture anything with this capability. Would you buy a car with an engine that anyone could melt on a whim?

Litheon	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 1:36 AM Just makes me wish I was a good enough shot and I had enough knowleged to kill them all and all of their cohorts that could run things the same way they are going. I wouldn't mind going to jail for the rest of my life, being gased, or given a lethal injection. Burn me at the stake even I don't care as long as all US corporations' current plans for ruling the world were so badly crippled they would have to start over. The good people who know what is going on would then have the chance to strangle the corporations instead of them now strangling us.

ashleighj	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 1:49 AM what worries me is the idea of the government willing to let an entity other than government enforce laws, without due process and without constitutional protections of course. what surprises me is that the government would be willing to share the power of dispensing justice, seeing as getting more power is the goal of most (if not all) politicians.

directive	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 2:35 AM ashleighj, VERY WELL SAID! Thanks

tinfoilmusic	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 7:24 AM My open letter to Mr. Hatch for anyone interested. It's lengthy so I won't post it here. Also, Orrin's direct email is senator_hatch@hatch.senate.gov.

tinfoilmusic	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 7:24 AM An open letter to Mr. Hatch. http://music.tinfoil.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=691

user65535	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 8:46 AM Here's a logic chain for ya. Them: "If you are potentially downloading copyrighted files, we can destroy your computer.." Me: "If you are potentially invading my privacy and pissing on my rights, I can destroy yours..." If they WANT a war, they'll probably get one, and I have yet to see any of these chair-polishing shitheads who even knows how to set up their own Email, since they hire huge staffs (paid for by us taxpayers) to do that kinda thing for them. The internet is the one last bastion where "We The People" are well-armed enough to make government intrusion unfeasible, therefore robbing our political elite of the TOTAL control of our lives they would so much like to have - you can bet your bottom dollar they want to change that. Consider how the 2nd amendment has eroded, and how our persons and homes are no longer really safe from unlawful search and seizure, and other well-known-hassles, in direct proportion to that erosion. Our founding fathers intended that any citizen be BETTER armed than any member of the armed services to prevent exactly this, to place a check against that type of abuse of the rights and privledges of citizens. Are you better armed than them ? no. Does their presence inspire fear in you and your peers ? yes. Pretty simple logic there. Yet, on the Internet, it's the ONE place left where the citizens "outgun" those factions of the Federal Government who have orgasms reading George Orwell's 1984... consquently (unlike radio, tv, newspapers) it's the LAST place left that's "free" - where you can have your own damned opinion and share it far and wide. It's not just about copyright, although that's a pretty damned hefty factor - it's about the last bastion of freedom of speech, in all respects, and I think it's critically important that "We The People" dig in here, where we have the advantage, and fight back hard. They wish to invade our files, our hard drives, wreck our privacy and/or our equipment - well, consider two things. We, as a whole, are a damned sight better AT it than they are. We, as a whole, outnumber them tremendously. Fight to keep the technology free of government control, because if the technology falls, so will the music, the distribution, and the independant artists. This is the last domino in a long, long chain, and we, you, me, others - we're the one's able to hold it up. Consider that a while. -User

tinfoilmusic	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 8:53 AM Damn straight, user65535.

napstersghost	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 10:33 AM This shows you how old and senile every senator is. Does Hatch even know what a computer is?

mracky	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 11:16 AM I think there is a conflict of interest for Senator Hatch between his duties as a senator and his career as a songwriter. For those who missed yesterday's fiancial disclosures: "Senator Orrin G. Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Earned income: $193,434. Honoraria, all donated to charity: $12,000. Major assets: U.S. Senate Credit Union accounts worth at least $250,000; individual retirement account worth at least $250,000, First Western Advisors joint account worth at least $100,000; limited partnership in Connerstreet Associates, (including cash and land in Utah) worth at least $100,000. Major sources of unearned income: None. Major liabilities: None Gifts: None. Hatch had a successful year as a songwriter, taking in $18,009. He also earned $2,123 for a voiceover he did for a character in an animated religious film, and $23,302 in royalties for his memoir "Square Peg." Hatch received reimbursements for travel to speak to the National Association of Recording Merchandisers, the International Warehouse Logistics Association, the World Economic Forum, Basic Books and Pfizer. " (scraped from AP)

pepe512000	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 12:25 PM We spend 100's of dollars a year on software, upgrades and fixes for our computers...sooooo maybe Sen, Hatch would be doing us ALL a favor by saving us money if they were to kill all the computers. Of course it would kill the economy as well, but who's thinking about that? Kill my computer, I give up, and go back to watching tv. Save dollars..not such a bad thing.

directive	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 1:28 PM Glad to report this story hit yahoo.com also, check out the response by senator hatch on his website, his response doesn't take back what he said.

JoeCotellese	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 3:02 PM Of course let's not forget that it's pretty hard to enforce copyright violations based on a filename which is pretty much all you have when your browsing P2P networks.

Feisar	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 3:19 PM Morpheus says it the way it is. "This is a war, and we are soldiers...." We have the skills needed to destroy what control the government has. Not in the "meantime", but for "all time".

Jelway	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 4:40 PM i hope Gordon B. Hinckley (mormons prophet) has not similar ideas like that stupid wh.. if yes i am signing out from LDS church

directive	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 4:59 PM Jelway, I too am LDS, but why would make such a statement about the Prophet? The prophet rarely gets involved politically with anything. The Prophet may comment on filesharing at a General Conference talk, but i hope that you do not think that he would get involved with this. Personally, and with respect, i am still wondering why you brought him into this. Thanks

directive	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 4:59 PM Jelway, I too am LDS, but why would you make such a statement about the Prophet? The prophet rarely gets involved politically with anything. The Prophet may comment on filesharing at a General Conference talk, but i hope that you do not think that he would get involved with this. Personally, and with respect, i am still wondering why you brought him into this. Thanks

duke788	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 5:06 PM Will someone please remind senator hatch what "Democracy" is. Its suposed to be a government by the people for the people.......blah...blah. and he is chosen by the people and is suposed to be representing the people instead of RIAA. The internet is a limitless source of information and should be freely available to all the users and this is made possible by the file sharing technology, which majority of the people support. Which apparently gives us freedom to download all kinds of information we need irrespective of the copyright violations. If Hatch and Riaa wants to invade our computers, we are not afraid of them, like many users of this fourm said, we are better equipped than they are and we dont give a shit about what hatch has to say abt the copyright issues. Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it. --Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) FUCK Senator Hatch and FUCK Riaa.

ashleighj	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 6:46 PM duke -- while i certainly agree with the spirit of your post, the authors of the constitution were actually very fearful of democracy, as it ammounts to majority rule and the abscence of rights for the minority. hence the representative democracy we supposedly have. too bad they ended up representing themselves instead of us.

directive	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 7:00 PM ashleighj, Great point!, arn't we supposed to be a Republic?

Jelway	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 7:25 PM directive thanks for opinion I REALLY HOPE YOU R RIGHT, personaly i feel great respect to GBH, but i really affraid that he or other member of General authority will say for example that "be a good mormon means do not download mp3, do not copy cd's" because it will be involving church politycally, and it is not gonna mean anything good for church. I am affraid that prophet and GE (and other religion leaders) may be constantly preasured by music industry to make PRO-RIAA statement, everybody on this forum know that music companies are highly immoral, they are going to do everything for the monney, and also may try to involve religion in that.

SinisterX	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 7:41 PM I heard this in fox news channel today. Blah, if they start doing that shit they'll have every hacker up their asses in a matter of minutes. So, I say, bring it on.

Alexanderelg...	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 8:59 PM Senator Hatch Is not my Senator, so he can fuck himself.

user65535	Date: June 18, 2003 @ 10:53 PM Blah, if they start doing that shit they'll have every hacker up their asses in a matter of minutes. Which is precisely why they won't - trust me. They CAN'T, they could try, but it would in short order destroy any credibility of the US Gov ever enforcing any kind of "cyber" law. Sure, they might bust a couple for the dog and pony show (kinda like the RIAA), but no way in hell are they ever going to bust them all - especially when you consider most of the really 'vicious' hacker-types are underage, heh. Oh no, they'll scare and threaten, but enough the most rectocranially-inverted politico knows damn well it would be tantamout to pissing on Darth Vader's boots - ass would be kicked, and QUICK, and it would not be them doing the kicking. Politicans above all will always try to protect their image, to save face, at any cost, especially their constituents. Thus, picking a fight that would result in a quick, utter and humiliating defeat ? nah, not gonna happen. They may talk a good game, but all politicans do... it comes right down to it, the sure and certain knowledge of a total asskicking by a hefty percentage of the american people prettymuch insures they wouldn't dare. Consider that in respect to the original purpose of the first four amendments, and wonder WHY the net is "safe" when the offline world isn't. All diplomacy is based on force and the ability to deliver it. -User

directive	Date: June 19, 2003 @ 12:44 AM Jelway, Thanks for your post, i was a little worried by the first one. Let me give u my take on what you are saying and see if that helps you. Your my bro, and if i can help, i will. You said: directive thanks for opinion I REALLY HOPE YOU R RIGHT, personaly i feel great respect to GBH, but i really affraid that he or other member of General authority will say for example that "be a good mormon means do not download mp3, do not copy cd's" because it will be involving church politycally, and it is not gonna mean anything good for church. I say: I feel that if the General Authorities say anything, it will be with love and compassion. I do not think the Prophet will come out directly like you indicated, but i believe he would make statements more about the rampant dishonesty in our Society. Besides, we shouldn't be downloading RIAA music, its not right. This site is here not to promote Downloading there music, but to stay away from it and check out independent music. You say: I am affraid that prophet and GE (and other religion leaders) may be constantly preasured by music industry to make PRO-RIAA statement, everybody on this forum know that music companies are highly immoral, they are going to do everything for the monney, and also may try to involve religion in that. I say: I believe that if the Prophet made any statements about this, it would not be pro-RIAA. The Prophet is not swayed by money nor power, Step back, if anything, he would call us all to repentance for downloading illegal music. That would be great, many people need to hear that. All in all, i believe the Prophet would want you to think about what he said and make a wise decision about filesharing, don't do it unless u have distribution rights. Currently i am contacting Excel Entertainment and asking for rights to distribute some of there music. I will see how that goes, it would be nice if they let me share some music on kazaa. I will be happy to respond to any of your responses. Take Care, directive

directive	Date: June 19, 2003 @ 12:47 AM Also, I just saw on add on this website for AOL, what the heck is that doing here?

RythmMethod	Date: June 19, 2003 @ 1:32 AM Typical Politico, his head is so far up some Lobbyists ass, when he sneezes, the lobbyist pisses his pants. Who keeps re-electing that fucking dinosaur anyway?

SinisterX	Date: June 19, 2003 @ 2:35 AM This info is all over the news. They, RIAA have been asking for a hacking war ever since Napster, If they so much a zap a users PC that belongs to a script kiddy or even someone who knows how to hack, they'll be asking for it and I'm hoping to see it. Let em zap mine, and I'll get a few of my buds and have a little tea party of my own. :D

dogpile	Date: June 19, 2003 @ 10:50 AM Works both ways. The saying goes: "You hack me and I'll hack every U.S. ompany that has a website". Cyber-terrorism will be at an all time high and the U.S will surely have a big problem.

SinisterX	Date: June 19, 2003 @ 6:32 PM Nah, they can't be that stupid to want to start an all out hacking war. That would be insane. But, with the RIAA you never know.