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The RIAA is dead
Pac Bell has received, "207 requests from the music industry to turn over the names of some of its customers, one request from a pornography company for the identities of 59 customers, and more than 16,000 warnings from an independent copyright investigator," the company said in its suit against the RIAA.
Interesting, and the quote comes from a Reuters story. But what's really interesting is: it shows the media worms are starting to turn.
Reuters, AP and the various wires often transmit RIAA/MPAA puff-pieces to their print and electronic media giants clients as-is, or close to it. And one after the other, these influential news outlets reproduce the wire stories as gospel, and in full.
Because Hollywood and its various components such as the MPAA and RIAA write their own scripts. Ask Hilary 'Reach Out' Rosen, Honest Jack Valenti and, now, Cary-Sue Sherman. (Mitch Bainwol? Who's he?) Reporters rarely question them on anything, even when the lies are breathtaking. Again, ask Reach Out, et al.
Why? Hollywood more or less supports significant sections of the world media with its advertising dollars and thus, the RIAA is a voice unto itself - never called on anything. Moreover, its owners are rarely named.
The RIAA is the RIAA. And that's it.
But that changed on July 31, when the Reuters piece quoted here was released. At the bottom, mentioned almost in passing, is this telling line:
RIAA members include AOL Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Music; Sony Corp.'s Sony Music; Vivendi Universal's Universal Music Group; Bertelsmann AG's BMG; and EMI Group Plc.
Bye-bye RIAA.
User Comments
(These do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of this site)
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seraphielx
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:28 AM
hahahaha this is getting funny,but how is the war outside going?
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Jazzmary2U
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:28 AM
Sweet story, Jon, but let's not celebrate quite yet. After all, the real work here is just beginning. I recall the anti-tobacco movement: wasn't/isn't easy, took a long time, and aint over yet. We gotta keep their butts to the fire, and that takes a lotta wood!:grin: |
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newjon
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:36 AM
All true, Jazz. But the writing is most definitely on the wall and soon it'll be, 'That's all she wrote'. heh. So let's celebrate, even if it IS a bit premature : )
Cheers! Jon |
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Feisar
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:48 AM
Massive Attack. That opening scene in Blade is nothing compared to what will be unleashed on the RIAA. |
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wabbitman
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:50 AM
Already have the bubbly chillin' , Jon
WABBITMAN |
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wabbitman
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:55 AM
I used the link to the Reuters story and saved it to print. Does anyone know where I could get a really nice frame? |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:56 AM
don't look to fast.....its getting wider
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39115406,00.htm |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:56 AM
cut of the hydra head and yet another will grow |
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wabbitman
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 12:03 PM
Thanx seraphielx . OK how about two really nice frames. |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 12:05 PM
target had some on sale last night :)
or you could goto a khols department store...they have kick ass frames |
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wabbitman
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 12:15 PM
I'll be looking for them . Where's the party gonna be when this is over? |
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pepe512000
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 12:15 PM
we're in canada, how can we help? |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 12:23 PM
email news sites and let them know what you think pepe512000 thats one way
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pepe512000
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 12:28 PM
Hi seraphielx....we do that on a regular basis, especially cnn...we'll spread out though..also, that Spain thing, if they see how bad it gets for the riaa here..they'll stop! keep the pressure going guys! |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 12:38 PM
I am a pessimistic guy by nature. You've heard the saying "It ain't over til the fat lady sings." I say, it ain't over til the janitor turns out the lights in the opera and is home watching tv.
I think that we have a long road and a lot of work ahead. I NEVER underestimate my enemies, and always hope they underestimate me.
I hope MORE scrutiny is paid to Ranger Inc, MediaForce, and Bay Total Service Provider Inc.. They are violating the TOS of the P2P services, they are violating the privacy act of 1974 (I think that's the right year) and they are acting in what I consider, a criminal fashion...they are mercernaries for hire to anyone.
We know that they are under the direction of the RIAA, but as in a fight, you attack and cripple the weapon that comes at you...if an arm comes to strike you, strike it at a pressure point, grab and twist it, lock the elbow and take the attacker down...These toadies try their best to hide their principal places of business, their phone and fax, and the people who work their. They conduct themselves like people on the witness protection program, or more aptly, like criminals hiding out.
Hang in there my brothers and sisters...
don't let us snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...never assume we have done enough...
~code |
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justed
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 1:07 PM
The ‘problem’ with the RIAA position is that it’s “all or nothing”, and at some point sanity must prevail.
Don’t forget that this is a particularly odious (hateful, offensive, repulsive) example of what our society has become.
But… it’s not the only one!
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seraphielx
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 1:08 PM
to bad i don't know any script kiddies that would take down the toadys....
by the by code you made me rember something from my tech days (damn cube)
any how why don't we make an aim chat room and see how many peeps we can fit in it.
ill host it my machine can handle a vast load
who ever wants in aim jreynoldsacr
im just going to start it and host it,i will not be here till monday after 5 today,but i will leave it up all week end |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 1:17 PM
I heard a rumor that Time Warner is considering a merger with BMG . |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 1:46 PM
havn't heard anything about that one yet bro
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gdZiemann
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 2:50 PM
Jazzmary2U -- The big difference is that the tobacco companies never tried suing people for smoking. |
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radical1
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 3:03 PM
SBC, Verizon and other telecom companies have a lot to worry about in terms of their revenue loss because of the RIAA. People are not going to pay $50 every month for high speed access just for browsing the Internet. The other telecom's need to jump into this fray.
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Jefrystube
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 6:06 PM
Read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. The RIAA hasn't and that's to our advantage. |
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MrMJ
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 6:56 PM
I am PROUD to say that I work for SBC and the stand that my company is making to advance the right to privacy on the Internet. The RIAA is a dionsaur that is about to become extinct! Yeah buddy! |
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MrMJ
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 6:58 PM
LOL! I meant Dinosaur. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 7:58 PM
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/08012003a.php
It's spreading to spain now...
"Legal services giant Landwell says it will prosecute 4,000 peer-to-peer file-traders in Spain because they have been identified as "serious" unauthorized downloaders of copyrighted songs, films and software.
If it goes ahead, the action will be the largest crackdown on P2P users in Europe to date.
Landwell, the legal arm of PricewaterhouseCoopers, earlier this month issued the threat on behalf of clients that have remained unnamed to avoid a backlash by consumers. The company said it had gathered data such as IP addresses on 95,000 file-traders by tapping into P2P systems with older versions of the P2P clients, which don't encrypt such information.
Landwell said it is working with Spain's Technological Investigation Brigade (BIT) on the prosecutions and expects the case to appear in court next month. The action mimics a large-scale assault on alleged file-swappers in the United States by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), which is in the process of filing several hundred lawsuits against them." |
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dgtzr
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 8:36 PM
A new wind is definitely blowing. Members of congress are waking up to the abuses cast by RIAA's subpoenas. Colleges are saying they will fight. Despite Verizon's loss, SBC will join the fray. I had little hope that grassroots would work, but behold the strength that lies dormant and awakens at the call. Awesome. |
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SinisterX
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 9:50 PM
"RIAA members include AOL Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Music; Sony Corp.'s Sony Music; Vivendi Universal's Universal Music Group; Bertelsmann AG's BMG; and EMI Group Plc."
BOYCOTT THESE BASTARDS!
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FcukTehRIAA
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 10:16 PM
You get enough people to condone something, then it magically becomes right. Once stated as "how many people does it take to metamorphose a crime into an act of glory?" ..or something like that anyways.. in their eyes, we are the ones commiting the crime, all we need is enough people to condone it. Aside from that it seems that the corporate conglomorate oft-associated-with-nazis (god knows why) companies and such can't remain that way if no one buys their stuff.
What the RIAA is doing is kind of like you have a generator to power your home during the summer, it keeps the AC running while its 100+ degrees outside. It isnt as efficient as it should be, so u decide to beat it with a bat.. over and over and over until it dosent work anymore. Umm.. der... STUPID!!!
Sue your customers, and see how far it gets you. |
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grilldoggy
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:13 PM
Quite generally, we download songs in the MP3 format. Songs you buy in stores are in Wave format, with better quality. So when I share MP3 songs, I'm not sharing what they sell. I don't even mean this as an excuse. But do our Senators even understand this distinction? |
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wabbitman
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Date: August 1, 2003 @ 11:54 PM
Even small victories need to be celebrated. WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS !!!
I just like being prepared!
WABBITMAN |
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wlfhcommishjava
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 2:27 AM
"Quite generally, we download songs in the MP3 format. Songs you buy in stores are in Wave format, with better quality. So when I share MP3 songs, I'm not sharing what they sell. I don't even mean this as an excuse. But do our Senators even understand this distinction?"
our senators don't have the time to find out the distinction of mp3 and wav. and alot of them probably don't care. but someone needs to educate them though. |
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Lestat-de-Li...
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 10:02 AM
Like they would take the time to listen to us "pirates". |
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Hill875
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 12:36 PM
Roast in hell RIAA! |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 4:21 PM
FcukTehRIAA, I honestly don't believe the RIAA cares about what is right or wrong, legal or not at their core.
If they could break the law and not get caught (which they may already be doing, let's see their tax records and books!), they are just exploting a wrongheaded law to make money and try to enforce total control over music.
Real criminality is something where you try to ruin, intimidate,criminalize, threaten, and harass millions of Americans of all ages, sexes, professions, and income levels. The RIAA is what I now call, the RIAA TERRORIST NETWORK.
INVESTIGATE THE RIAA~!
~code |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 6:23 PM
to paraphrase Pink Floyd..
HEY
RIAA...
LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE! |
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wlfhcommishjava
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 7:01 PM
piracy is bad? what about corporate piracy? thats a far worse crime than mp3 sharing. |
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Critto
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 11:02 PM
hey, I have a great idea:
let's inform the distributors about our BOYCOTT!
Let's send letters to the chain stores (and other distributors) telling them who you boycott. Remember: be nice, polite and gentle! You aren't gonna hurt them! they are merely the distributors, not the RIAAites. They may even become our allies, in the moment they withdraw the products we don't like from their shelves (when the public outrage against those producers will be high enough).
Few minutes ago, I've sent a similiar letter to one big Polish chain store, EMPIK (www.empik.com), informing them, that I'm their regular customer, satisfied with their services, along with info that I boycott "Big Five" (and other RIAA-ASSociated) producers, telling them where to find the complete list (pointing to http://boycott-riaa.com, of course), and telling them clearly WHY I boycott those firms (because of their membership in RIAA, which 'leads the anti-consumer, anti-capitalist tactics of attacking and scarying their consumers and tending to destroy the P2P networks). Later, I've send the idea (along with a pattern letter) to some Polish internet forums related to mp3 and music.
I think that it should make the distributors reconsider, if many their customers sent such letters.
What do all y'all think'bout it??
Yours,
Critto |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 2, 2003 @ 11:24 PM
I applaud your initiative. I must admist I don't know as much about the distributors as I would like to, but I recently posted on another thread, the full list of the labels who are supposed to be members of the RIAA...it's a big list. For example, I'm a fan of Hall and Oates. Darryl Hall recently released a solo album called Can't Stop Dreaming (or some similar title). I found the name of the record label on the back of the CD..it was Liquid 8...yup...a label associated with the RIAA, so had to pass it up as part of my boycott...and I hated to because I wanted to support Hall and Oates and their music. I have to believe that if you went to Best Buy and started throwing out CDs that are products of RIAA associated labels, that the shelves would get bare. TO check on albums, there is the RIAA radar program that allows you to look up a group and see what albums are "safe" (non RIAA) and have a "warning"..(RIAA). In principle, I agree with the idea. I just wonder if the distributors would reject the notion out of hand (do they have contractual agreements with the record labels which they have to follow legally?). These were just my initial thoughts....I could be wrong...just at least giving some quick feedback...
BOYCOTTING THE RIAA/CALLING FOR A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION OF THE RIAA
~code |
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GOitALONE
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Date: August 3, 2003 @ 3:45 AM
Hey peeps, I just turned Kazaa lite on after a few days "laying low" and got a pop-up from the RIAA saying I was violating copyrights, etc. and giving me a link to where I could find out (if I didn't know already) how to disable Kazaa uploads and/or uninstall Kazaa altogether. I was kinda freaked about it so I went ahead and disabled uplods. Anyone else get one of these scary things? Anyone know anything at all about this intrusion?
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-Davo
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Date: August 3, 2003 @ 5:46 AM
wOOt |
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