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Corporate high-tech takeover of the Internet
By Jon Newton
The Recording Industry Association of America's efforts to scare peer-to-peer users who violate copyright laws began with a promising start exactly one year ago, says CNET's Declan McCullagh in The future of a scare campaign.
He goes on, "a federal court in Washington, D.C., to force Verizon Communications to divulge the identity of a Kazaa user, kicking off a legal tussle that ended with the RIAA winning a stunning victory".
Further down he says, "But the most daunting obstacle to the recording industry's dogged efforts to rid the Internet of music piracy is a lawsuit that Pacific Bell Internet Services (also known as SBC Communications) filed against the RIAA last week. It is carefully crafted to portray the RIAA and its contractors who scour P2P networks for infringers as out-of-control juggernauts who care precious little about due process, the rules of the federal court system, Americans' privacy rights and the U.S. Constitution."
Promising start? Stunning victory? Dogged efforts? Rid the Internet of music piracy? Carefully crafted?
These phrases and their general context seem to imply the RIAA's ugly Jihad against file sharers is somehow justified, somehow OK.
Perhaps they're an attempt at irony, but that's not how they come across, especially when one considers McCullagh's closing comment: "Sure, it's temping to beat up on the recording industry, but keep in mind that they're not the ones who enacted the DMCA back in 1998. Congress did. Elected representatives chose the interests of well-connected copyright holders over individual rights to privacy. The Senate approved the DMCA unanimously in October 1998, and the U.S. House of Representatives followed suit by a similar margin a few days later."
He adds that if the labels win their "legal skirmish with SBC, and the DMCA remains intact," the fight will return to Capitol Hill and, "Let's hope the outcome will be different this time."
The trouble is, it wasn't elected representatives who "chose the interests of well-connected copyright holders over individual rights to privacy". Hollywood was, and still is, the principal driving force and the "elected representatives" were all too frequently its devoted friends and admirers, for example Hollywood Howard Berman, Billy Tauzin, Fritz Hollings and Howard Coble.
Not that the entertainment industry fails to acknolwedge the help.
"We are grateful to Congress for supporting the DMCA and for recognizing the need to protect copyright," McCullagh quotes MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) boss Jack Valenti as saying in The DMCA Is the Toast of D.C.
He's echoed by Hilary Rosen, at the time the RIAA's chief, who said, "Since 1998, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act has given us essential tools to assist us in fighting the growing music piracy problem. We are grateful to Congress for supporting American creators in this critical way."
Which isn't to say that getting congress' help isn't expensive.
Between April 1, 2001 and March 31, 2002, the RIAA spent $1.7 million on 'governmental relations projects,' $1.3 million in 'federal legislative support,' and $480,000 in 'state legislative support'. It also has a separate PAC (political action committee) which dished out more than $630,000 to 'federal candidates' and a further $535,000 of 'soft money' into the coffers of the Republican and Democratic parties, up from $392,000 it gave to both parties in 2001.
And that was for only one financial period. Nor does it take into account similar expenditures on the part of the MPAA.
But it's only part of the story ...
Getting the DMCA passed cost Hollywood a lot of money, and it was definitely well spent.
However, "The crackdown by the music industry on illegal downloading tells just part of the story," as Jeff Chester, executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy, and Steven Rosenfeld, a commentary editor and audio producer for TomPaine.com, say in Stealing The Internet.
They go on, "the thousands of lawsuits are not just about ensuring record companies and artists get the royalties they deserve. They're part of a larger plan to fundamentally change the way the Internet works.
"From Congress to Silicon Valley, the nation's largest communication and entertainment conglomerates - and software firms that want their business - are seeking to restructure the Internet, to charge people for high-speed uses that are now free and to monitor content in an unprecedented manner.
"This is not just to see if users are swapping copyrighted CDs or DVDs, but to create digital dossiers for their own marketing purposes."
And as I said in Meet muzikfreek and fylshrr, "Pre-Napster, 'consumers' on the World Wide Web were for the most part easily identifiable - ordinary people who bought software and voluntarily registered it because it was the thing to do or, as frequently happened, they were duped into it. Either way, millions of precious names, phone and credit card numbers, locations, and so on, ended up on central databases, ready to be exploited. The Dark Side had its hackers, crackers, anarchists and phreaks who ignored all that. But who cared about them?
"P2p changed that. Before Napster was taken offline by the labels, who wanted it for their own, it was used by 70 million music lovers around the world from moms and pops to the deepest, darkest hacker. And no-one knew who all these file-sharers or downloaders were - or anything else about them.
"Hollywood bitches and whines that no-one's buying its members' product and that sales are plummeting, but it really means the movie houses, record labels and hardware and software companies are losing priceless data - the stuff they use to control buyers. That's you. Hence the nasty affairs with Berman & Co who work to get bills passed which will allow Hollywood to develop technology to plug straight into your home to literally remotely control what you're playing and/or viewing and gaining, in the process, hitherto private and confidential information from, and about, you and your habits.
"And if you think they won't share these data with enforcement agencies, dream on."
Back to Chester and Rosenfeld, "All told, this is the business plan of America's handful of telecom giants - the phone, cable, satellite, wireless and entertainment companies that now bring high-speed Internet access to most Americans," they wrote. "Their ability to meter Internet use, monitor Internet content and charge according to those metrics is how they are positioning themselves for the evolving Internet revolution.
"The Internet's early promise as a medium where text, audio, video and data can be freely exchanged and the public interest can be served is increasingly being relegated to history's dustbin. Today, the part of the Net that is public and accessible is shrinking, while the part of the Net tied to round-the-clock billing is poised to grow exponentially.
"One front in the corporate high-tech takeover of the Internet can be seen in Congress. On July 21, the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet held a hearing on the 'Regulatory Status of Broadband.' There, a coalition that included Amazon.com, Microsoft, Yahoo, Apple, Disney and others, told Congress that Internet service providers (ISPs) should be able to impose volume-based fee structures, based on bits transmitted per month. This is part of a behind-the-scenes struggle by the Net's content providers and retailers to cut deals with the ISPs so that each sector will have unimpaired access to consumers and can maximize profits.
"The industry coalition spoke of 'tiered' service, where consumers would be charged according to 'gold, silver and bronze' levels of bandwidth use. The days where lawmakers once spoke about eradicating the "Digital Divide" in America has come full circle. Under the scenario presented by the lobbyists, people on fixed incomes would have to accept a stripped-down Internet, full of personally targeted advertising. Other users could get a price break if they receive bundled content - news, music, games -- from one telecom or media company. Anybody interested in other 'non-mainstream' news, software or higher-volume usage, could pay for the privilege. The panel's response was warm, suggesting that the industry should work this out with little federal intrusion. That approach has already been embraced by the industry-friendly Federal Communications Commission.
"Meanwhile, in the courts, there has been a rash of new litigation spurred by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)'s pursuit of people who have illegally shared copyrighted music. The music industry no doubt hopes to discourage file-swapping piracy, and some big telecom companies, such as SBC Communications, have counter-sued, saying they will protect their clients' privacy. While that's good public relations, there's more to this story as well. Telecoms, like most big corporations, don't want other businesses, let alone the government, interfering in their operations - so there's plenty of reasons to counter-sue - even if the record companies and telecoms have parallel stakes in privatizing the Net."
For now, if you doubt the premise of a "corporate high-tech takeover of the Internet," hark back to McCullagh's May 17,2002, The DMCA Is the Toast of D.C..
In it, he stresses that Valenti, et al, were celebrating the DMCA at a party hosted by the IIPA (International Intellectual Property Alliance), "to cheer a global copyright treaty that takes effect on Monday".
As the IIPA brags on its home page, "member associations represent over 1,100 U.S. companies producing and distributing materials protected by copyright laws throughout the world – all types of computer software including business applications software and entertainment software (such as videogame CDs and cartridges, personal computer CD-ROMs and multimedia products); theatrical films, television programs, home videos and digital representations of audiovisual works; music, records, CDs, and audiocassettes; and textbooks, tradebooks, reference and professional publications and journals (in both electronic and print media)."
These 'members' are:
* The Association of American Publishers (AAP), "with some 310 members located throughout the United States," the book publishing industry's principal trade association
* AFMA, "formerly known as the American Film Marketing Association," the trade association for the independent film and television industry whose members include Lions Gate and Miramax
* Business Software Alliance (BSA), "the foremost organization dedicated to promoting a safe and legal digital world". Members include: Adobe, Apple, Autodesk, Avid, Bentley Systems, Borland, CNC Software/Mastercam, Internet Security Systems, Macromedia, Microsoft, Network Associates and Symantec.
* The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) the, "U.S. association exclusively dedicated to serving the business and public affairs needs of companies that publish video and computer games for video game consoles, personal computers, and the Internet". Its members are: Acclaim Entertainment; Activision; Atari; Buena Vista Games; Capcom USA; Crave Entertainment; Eidos Interactive; Electronic Arts; id Software; Konami of America; LucasArts; Microsoft; Midway Games; Namco Hometek; Nintendo of America; NovaLogic; SEGA of America; Sony Computer; Entertainment America; Square Enix USA; Take-Two Interactive Software; THQ; Ubi Soft Entertainment; Vivendi Universal Games; and, Wild Tangent.
* The MPAA
* The RIAA
And while you're thinking about that, also consider this: Palladium.
User Comments
(These do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of this site)
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 12:30 PM
Gotta say that this one page post is one of the best articulated and most important statements I have read on any board, on any news website, ANYWHERE. This post is and should be a MUST READ for anyone who wants the real scoop on this issue. Don't know if this was Jon or not, but my hat's off to whoever put this all together.
This should motivate anyone sitting on the fence, or who thinks this is just about a few kids downloading a few songs, that this is a much more fundamental issue that involves broad and fundamental rights of citizens.
As time goes on, I am more and more convinced that this is one of the most important issues that is going on, if you consider the broader implications of rights to privacy, constitutional rights, and individual liberties.
So, this gets two thumbs up!
And, just an off topic question.
Why the f^ck is the news cramming this Kobe Bryant story down our throats. I never heard of this ballplayer til this came up...but then again, I never follow sports that involve any kind of team effort.
Peace/Out...
Keep Boycotting and Writing congress...
shove our concerns so far down their throats that they will think they have hemorrhoids! |
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 12:33 PM
Yes, as I've said before, this is not just about file sharing. The bigger issues is the threat to our personal freedoms from corporations who have been given too much power. Government is supposed to keep the power of private corporations in check. In this case, they've failed us. As citizens we must oppose this: boycott the recording industry, write your congressmen and the news media, don't buy any hardware that incorporates "digital rights management", speak out, protest. Our only hope is that if enough people are made aware, and public outrage builds, we can put pressure on those who would cripple the internet. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 12:38 PM
PS...Alice Cooper had a song many years ago called "No More Mr. Nice Guy"
For those politicos that are cuddled up nice and tight to the RIAA like fleas on a dog's skin...no more mr. nice guy. We are going to get the votes..you wanna stay in office...like it or not, turn against the RIAA and DMCA...Rolling Rumbling Thunder is coming...the light the RIAA thinks it sees...is the train headed for them, and is going to run their ass over!
~~~POWER TO THE PEOPLE~~~
~~~~~~~RIP RIAA~~~~~~~~ |
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gilbd
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 1:23 PM
Has anybody looked at this site. Not sure whos it is. They have some songs listed here for downloading.
Title of page is
RIAA against music sharing? Not anymore!
http://www.sackreis.net/riaa/ |
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TheSherminator
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 1:27 PM
Ifreelfree is right. More and more people are realizing that this boycotting and "making a big fuss", etc. isn't because we all want "free music." I actually prefer to pay for it. Just not only from a record store, or pay out of my ass or pay for music that sucks. But that has already been covered.
It is related to my reason for posting. It's hard for us to fight and it's equally hard for us to be heard on a scale that would make the huge impact that we want.
Not to play down anything we've done. It all has to start somewhere. But if the RIAA is going to play dirty and rape the common person who can't do much about it, then all hail SBC who has chosen to put up a fight against the RIAA that will only help us.
My current phone service is SBC. I'll send them my gratitude. |
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Righton
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 1:34 PM
We just have to stay intelligently level headed, stay focused on our objectives and execute those objectives as they come.
Flood congress with intelligent letters in disapproval of RIAA actions and to reappeal the DMCA. Really focus on these two areas and we will turn heads.
But if we don't organize and intelligently concentrate our efforts in these two areas, we will be defeated.
Keep researching and learning all the laws the RIAA is violating, whether it be tax laws or whatever. Its time to roll up our sleeves and get down and dirty, and hit them with all we got, and don't let up.
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 1:42 PM
If the RIAA loses to SBC in court, that would be huge. What ISP would hand over names after that? Also, there's the Verizon case (which has an appeal to heard next month), MIT and Boston College, and Senator Coleman. However, I think the biggest problem for the RIAA is that the American public won't stand for thousands of citizens being sued, and families bankrupted, month after month by the RIAA for file sharing. In the meantime we do our part with the boycott and writing letters. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 1:42 PM
Righton is appropriately enough...right on! and gilbd, that is a weird site..it links to archives in a Napster subdirectory...
http://www.riaa.org/PDF/Napster/archive/17-linkin_park-by_myslf-josh_abraham_and_mike_shinoda-ser.mp3
Weird....
I agree with IFeelFree...and theSherminator....
I get the sense we are going to get more organized and that before long...we will NOT be ignoreable any more....
~code |
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gilbd
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 1:53 PM
To CodeWarrior,
Looks like this site. Maybe the RIAA is trying something new. Trying to make us look bad. |
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gilbd
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 1:56 PM
I did a search on Yahoo for RIAA News
And there are a lot of them listed there. with this same setup all look like it's part of this site. |
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Malchus
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 2:15 PM
I think the court case of telemarketing will also have a big factor. If they aren't allowed to call us on our telephones, then why should they be allowed to probe our internet activities so they can "call" us on our computers? |
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 2:26 PM
Malchus:
They're not probing our internet activies. They're simply downloading files the we make available on file sharing sites. The real problems are that they're getting subpoenas issued without a judges order, they're applying for the subpoenas in DC courts which may lack jurisdiction for individuals in the regions being sued, and they may not be allowing for fair rights use. I don't think the telemarketing case will be very relevant. The SBC case is the one to watch. |
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theHERMlT
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 2:52 PM
Everyone on this forum is fairly articulate. Most of the members of "boycott the RIAA" see a problem. Lets agree to go the extra mile, myself included, and learn.
I am not here to vent my frustration, I am here to crack this problem: "To rewrite legal use of the internet."
How do we get rid of the "DMCA", AND "PATRIOT ACT"? |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 2:52 PM
gilbd
Yeah...Maybe they think someone will be foolish enough to download the files and they will log the IP...
I just wrote a note through Snail Mail and let them know how much I appreciated them filing suit against the RIAA...first time I ever wrote SBC a note of thanks :)
~code
and they're not my ISP either :) |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 2:54 PM
whoops...i meant I let SBC know how much I appreciated their action...that's what i meant when i said "them" |
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 3:09 PM
It sounds like this SBC case might test the legality of parts of the DMCA. Apparently, SBC is bringing up the privacy issue and the question of due process. So, what happens when a statute (such as the DMCA), or part of it, is found to be unconstitutional, or inconsistent with accepted law? Is the the statute thrown out, or parts of it reversed? Maybe through court challenges we can whittle away at the DMCA. |
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r0dr0ddy
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 3:48 PM
I always hate to get preachy and wax philosophical, but it's time I brought this up:
"The core problem with copyright is that enforcement of it requires monitoring of communications, and you cannot be guaranteed free speech if someone is monitoring everything you say. This is important, most people fail to see or address this point when debating the issue of copyright, so let me make it clear:
You cannot guarantee freedom of speech and enforce copyright law." -Ian Clarke, founder, Freenet project
Allow me to break this down to a simple example of a balancing scale. On one scale you have copyright enforcement. On the other you have freedom of speech. And remember, freedom of speech has the implication of anonymity- else you would be afraid of saying the wrong thing.
The RIAA (and MPAA and so on) has the duty to protect the copyrights of their members' work, and rightfully so. Yet their efforts to enforce copyright law implies that they must monitor any and all forms of communication to spot infrigement. Therefore the scale would tilt more heavily in the direction of copyright enforcement, and our freedom of speech has been reduced.
It's a very distinct line between freedom of speech and copyright enforcement. Yet it appears as if the two cannot co-exist without one outweighing the other. The DMCA allows the RIAA et. al. to infringe on our First Amendment right to anonymous freedom of speech. Granted, no one is holding a gun to the p2p user's head demanding that they put copyrighted works up for downloading, so such defense may fail in court.
But one thing is clear: millions of Americans have died in the past 227 years defending our Constutional rights. It cannot be tolerated that certain groups are spitting on the graves of all those who paid the ultimate price just so they can guarantee a slim margin of monetary profitability.
If George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, or my idol Thomas Jefferson were around to see this they would be ashamed to see what kind of a country we have become.
I don't know about you all but I'm going to defend my own right to freedom of speech. I'm not calling for anarchy here, and I will always believe we have a moral obligation to ensure proper compensation for artists' works.
Yet copyright enforcement is a good thing for the holder of the copyright only; freedom of speech is a good thing for all of mankind.
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rexholmes
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 3:53 PM
ha ha! It is great to see that so many are seeing "boycott-riaa" in the context of the bigger picture!
As a side note I want to interject: the entertainment pigopolies have their slogan "Copying is Theft" - we need to get out there with a counter solgan: "(Extended) copyRIGHT is Theft!" (from the public domain...) Get everybody reading Barlow's Economy of Ideas... Anyway:
The record co's know something joe average doesn't: all recordings are promos. Yeah, promos that we've been convinced that we are *required* to pay for (and no other possibility is allowed to be discussed), but promos nonetheless. As a (very) rough analogy think about our relationship with TV & radio: this is very passive and ingrained within us now, but in actuality, the true relationship is that *our* eyes and ears are being sold to advertisers as market share. The analogy is really that the true relationship isn't always totally apparent.
Now imagine: the internet lets us communicate extremely cheaply and (for all intents & purposes) instantly with a massive worldwide audience. Imagine 1000s of indie musicians (or artists, or filmakers, or writers, or ...) waking up and realizing they can promote themselves for nearly nothing on a massive scale. And any technology that allows that not only screws up our "traditional" thoughts on copyright, but severely undermines the place that our big business brothers thought they were in.
Something has to give at this point: they won't be satisfied with less than whole pie, which means we'd be losing a lot of freedom we've been taking for granted.
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:04 PM
I view things simplistically...
In the great card game of law...
Constitutional Amendments Trump
Copyright law every time...
And, if I remember my court cases correctly, under Marbury v. Madison, if any act (e.g. such as the DMCA) conflicts with the constitution, and thus, with any of our guaranteed rights, then the law or act which conflicts with the constitution is null and void
"The critical importance of Marbury is the assumption of several powers by the Supreme Court. One was the authority to declare acts of Congress, and by implication acts of the president, unconstitutional if they exceeded the powers granted by the Constitution."
Don't know if a good argument could be made that the DMCA, in application, conflicts with our fourth amendment rights or not...something to thnk about.
~code |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:13 PM
gilbd that was just one of the replaced pages of the riaa website when i was hacked..but i can't tell you at what time that was made |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:13 PM
gilbd that was just one of the replaced pages of the riaa website when i was hacked..but i can't tell you at what time that was made |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:28 PM
ok to make it clear,hax0rz enjoy there work to be archived after they "0wn" a webpage,or as you might know it as hacked.
the same thing happened to madonna website and it is still mirrored in a few places.
http://www.mrnick.binary9.net/riaa/
if you go there that was one of the best ones that came out of the hacking game,and here are a few more just for shits a giggles...
http://riaa.wired-one.com/
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/hacked/
well thats all i can find right now...got bored
anyway do not fear,they are not tring to pull some new out of there collective asses :)
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:30 PM
the RIAA and MPAA try to act like the most important legislation passed in the past 220 years is the DMCA...in point of fact..it was never meant to be that ...it is a concession to the globalists and the WIPO...there is no such thing as a "Right" to copyright and certainly no right to bully everyone in a mad dash to persecute and prosecute anyone suspected of being a third or fourth generation indirect infringer...there IS a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...there is a 1974 privacy act
http://www.usdoj.gov/04foia/privstat.htm
THE PRIVACY ACT OF 1974
5 U.S.C. § 552A
As Amended
And anyone with a drop of commonsense...would have to admit that in any clash of legal statutes, the constitution beats a copyright act.
And, if the DMCA is being used in ways that violate our rights, i.e. 4th amendment for example, then it needs to be done away with today!
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seraphielx
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:31 PM
50rry 70 teh 1337z 0u7 7h3r3 i 5p3113d hax0r wr0ng |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:37 PM
$eR@p#!eLx ^^Us+ Be B0R&D
:P |
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Righton
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:37 PM
All the current case/suits, liscense issue with linux, Verizon, SBC and others are all from the same vein.
All these are extremely important to not only watch but send a thank you note/e-mail for what their doing.
Because it will help lead us quicker to deal with the DMCA, in essense thats the main thrust they will/are focusing on. If these win or slow down RIAA or cause officials to consider the DMCA, give them your business. Based upon my research as well as others here at this site/forum. There aren't any constitutional grounds the even remotely permit the RIAA to conduct their current actions. They aren't a government agency and what guidelines that exists that permit them to do what they are doing, what have to be clearly unconstitutional. Thats what has me scratching my head, wondering how is this possible? Obviously, they are paying off both sides or somebody to be able to do such. You see what I see? This looks like another Enron and all those other corporate business that got busted for illegal practices.
Somebodys family loyality(secrecy)to RIAA and others that support such actions is going to run thin. Somebody will snitch. This is to huge, like an ice glacier. We are only seeing the tip and the massive huge remains are still hidden and unseen. Much more will begin to surface. So much wrong is going on behind closed doors that still has to surface. |
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seraphielx
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:39 PM
d4mn righ7 im b0r3d i7z 4b0u7 5:00 357 4nd im r34dy 70 g0 teh fux0r h0m3 :p |
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wlfhcommishjava
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:46 PM
a couple of questions, if everyone succedes in tearing down the riaa, what will happen? what will this do to the artists? what effect will this have on our already depressed economy? |
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JustASquirrel
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:49 PM
r0dr0ddy and rexholmes,
Excellent posts! This is the crux of the problem - Copyright Law - Laws that are protecting business monopolies, and *not* artists *nor* art, as they were intended to do.
Money is the driving factor behind current copyright law. The more the current industry makes, the more they have to control music and entertainment, and limit the amount of "competition" as they see it.
Art is not about competition! We need to change the attitudes of many to realize this. Otherwise, we remain nothing more than a primitive society bent on sheer personal gain and survival.
We now know that the RIAA has no greater aspirations than survival to maintain their personal gain. Let's make this known to as many people as possible by refuting their copyright arguments wherever and whenever possible. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:49 PM
http://www.mytechnologylawyer.com/cgi-bin/FormManager/WebForms.pl?Action=LegalServ_PageShow&ID=67
one bunch already marketing the big class of people who may be sued |
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 4:55 PM
I'm not so sure the case against the RIAA is ironclad. I've been told by a lawyer that when a more recent law is inconsistent with an older law, the newer law generally trumps the older law. That would suggest that even if the DMCA disagrees with, say, the Audio Home Recording Act, the 1974 Privacy Act, etc., the DMCA (enacted in 1999) wins. However, if it parts of it are found to be unconstitutional, that would be a different matter. Also, I believe were dealing with the law applied to new areas of technology and there may be no precedent in many cases. When there is ambiguity, I believe the courts will decide. |
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 5:05 PM
wlfhcommishjava:
The recording industry will become just a marketing organization (to promote artists who hire them). Copyright ownership of works will revert to the artists, as they should. Artists will also have to a greater role in the distribution (via the internet) of their own works. Artists could just post their songs on their own websites for download at a nominal cost. Artists could even hire someone to sell the CDS (online) for them (which the artists will burn themselves). CD stores such as Tower Records, etc. will become a thing of the past. It will have little effect on the economy. |
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JustASquirrel
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 5:18 PM
I can't see how the economy would suffer if music was purchased from other sources (i.e. independent artists). I buy more music now than I ever have (1000+ CD's in my collection), but I don't buy a single item from RIAA labels, and have not in some time. As a matter of fact, I just bought the Rock Island CD from dmusic. If you like late 60's blues rock, this is an excellent CD. ...back to topic... If more consumers purchased independent music, we would begin to see an enormous growth in both the quality and quantity of available music. What does the RIAA do to promote music diversity and availability? |
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Righton
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 5:39 PM
Quote:
"The newer laws generally trumps the older ones." Why then have attorneys or laws if the newer laws genreally overide and win? Doesn't make good sense.
We all know, parties can deliberately use the vaque wording in contracts to their advantage. This isn't unconstitutional. Why? When it came to law making, statements, regulations, terms were left openly vaque. The wording of a law or contract is key to understanding ones advantage or disadvantage. It wouldn't surprise me, if the DMCA legislation has such loop holes in it. My guess is, they cleverly snuck this piece of legislation in on us at a time when public concern wasn't like that of today. No doubt they deliberately worded portions of the DMCA to work to their advantage.
We are going to have to be educated, informed, intelligent and funded if were are going to make a difference.
Again as many have already said, support this site and flood congress with letters and peacefully publicly protest when it becomes necessary. |
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0Hz
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 5:58 PM
I think this article shows the limits of freedom in our capitalist society, and the saying 'its no good closing the stable door once the horse has bolted' springs to mind. Personally I would not wish to be part of a privatised internet, but if the brief history of the internet is anything to go buy then someone will come up with a work around.
I often wondered who the real prirates were, but thanks to this single article I wonder no more.
I struggled to understand why and how the RIAA could start sueing ordinary
internet users and blaming them for slumping sales when world economy is down, it is blatantly clear that they have other plans in mind.
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 6:02 PM
The reason these matters have to be settled by the courts is that there are so many laws, many of which appear to conflict. While newer laws usually trump older laws, that's not always the case. They have to be tested in the courts. Also, the interpretation of the laws often has to be determined by the courts. That appears to be what's beginning to happen with the DMCA. These lawsuits are forcing the issue. Public pressure is definitely a factor. It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out. Ultimately, the RIAA will lose. The question is whether it will be a mortal blow, or just a flesh wound. |
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 6:23 PM
Another scenario is that the entertainment industry, in conjunction with the software and electronics industries, institute hardware lock-down of content via "trusted computing" platforms, "Content Protection for Recordable Media", etc., and corporate America subjugates the internet to their ends. That would be the "nightmare" scenario, to my mind. |
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M1
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 6:52 PM
I personally don't see SBC beating the RIAA in court. Verizon tried the same case and lost, my prediction is that SBC will lose as well.
The ONLY way the DMCA is leaving is if Congress repeals it (there's a better chance of snow in hell) or the Supreme Court striking it down (again, not very likely).
This is much more of a broad issue than just the DMCA. By never having campaign finance reform, we have allowed any and all special interest groups with a large enough wallet purchase laws.
The DMCA isn't the first and won't be the last law that someone bought and paid for.
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 7:15 PM
SBC is arguing on different grounds than Verizon, and the lawsuit is in California, not D.C. Also, the telecommunications industry has a big lobby and plenty of money for lawyers. The RIAA has met it's match. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 7:58 PM
Let me address the newer law trumps old concept. There is also the hierarchy of laws. The constitution is the supreme law of the land. Marbury v. Madison said that the supreme court can look an act or law, ANY act or law (most are newer than 1776) and decide if it conflicts with the constitution. If it does, the law is thrown out. Look at the recent ruling with regard to Texas' sodomy laws. No way around Marbury v. Madison...constitution ALWAYS trumps any law...
Let me throw down with my reflections on M1's concerns. When you go to court, there are various things that can dramatically change the outcome.
The main things that can affect outcomes include the following :
Venue/jurisdiction : Some jurisdictions are more friendly to certain types of suits than others.
Judges: Judges affect a lot of things in a trial, such as deciding what evidence comes in, when an objection is sustained (or overruled), etc.
Juries: This is a big one. The SBC has astutely demanded a jury trial. While judges have been known to be bought off, in this case, SBC will be dealing with folks like me and you. During voir dire (Anglo Saxon for "to speak the truth", you can bet they will be trying to select a jury that will, if not be sympathetic, will not be as hardnosed and "the letter of the law only" as a trial judge.
If the jury listens and feels like that the RIAA have been arseholes and are really being outrageous, then this could be enough for a favorable outcome. And, since I believe there will be constitutional issues which might arise, even an unfavorable ruling for either side will probably be appealed to California Court of Appeals, and there may even be a path to the Supreme Court, since this will be a novel and new issue for the court in some respects.
So, while I tend to be as pessimistic as M1, there are several parameters of this particular case that I can find cause for optimism in. It should be an interesting (if at times a bit tedious to watch) case, because both sides will be lawyered up like a muthaf*cka.
Now granted, California is home turf to the entertainment industry, so the actual location of the trial can make a difference as well. Does anyone know if the pleadings and original complaint are online?
I also think that SBC must have some hope of winning to have gone ahead and filed. Plus, you KNOW they are gonna be bringing in a lot of other ISPs that are already pissed at the RIAA. These subpoena deals are not cheap for ISPs to deal with. I think it is high time that ALL of the other ISPs pony up some bucks to help SBC, since a positive outcome would be to their benefit as well.
I just wish Gerry Spence would argue the case for SBC...that fringe wearing silver haired barrister RULES!!!!
He was the lawyer for the poor guy that the feds attacked at Ruby Ridge, and he kicked gov butt in that case!
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 8:04 PM
A dream team would be Mr. Gerry Spence
http://www.gerryspence.com
and Mr. Geoffrey Feiger...
the senior statesman and the attack bulldog...they'd tear the RIAA a new anal orifice! |
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Hill875
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 8:06 PM
CodeWarrior, I have a question for you. Would Gideon v. Wainwright help anyone that is subpoena by the RIAA? |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 8:10 PM
think i misspelled it...fieger...sorry for typo |
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Jazzmary2U
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 8:16 PM
Wow!...what a thread. I'm going to email my friends and point them to this stuff..Thanks, you guys for a tremendous discussion. My mantra is, as you know, that Congress is nothing but politics. And if you get involved, all politics become local. Writing congressmen will tweak their interest, but folks organizing a vote scares the bejezezzus outta them! The reaction would be IMMEDIATE. My new tactic is to suggest T-Shirt Slogans...todays is...ONE DOLLAR is ONE VOTE. Meaning that the purchased Congress is a symptom. That we the people have the power only if we exercise it...and we know how people feel about exercising. Again, and again, vote with your dollars..BOYCOTT! Vote with your Constitutional Rights..organize, hit the polls and...
ARE YOU REGISTERED AND READY? |
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surfside6
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 8:32 PM
Folks in the know, know who to boycott to be effective you must look at all of the umbrella companies:
Virgin Records - RIAA member, also member of the Virgin Group
Virgin Group:
Virgin Atlantic - Virgin Atlantic flies to the world's major business and leisure destinations. Visit our site for details on destinations, fares, schedules and to book.
Virgin Limousines - Cruise around in luxury. Sit back and let your chauffeur steer you in the right direction. It's your personal transport service for San Francisco and Northern California.
Virgin Megastores - Packed with music, movies, books, games and more, they really are mega
Virgin Mobile - No line rental, and no contract to sign. Text other Virgin Mobile customers for just 3p.
Virgin Vacations - Hot deals and special offers on vacations and packages around the world. Breaks to London, cruises, and a huge selection of exciting destinations. Order a brochure today!
Virgin.com - Virgin.com is the portal for the Virgin Group of companies. Find a product or service from the Virgin Group, contact us, download fun stuff, learn a bit about the history of one of Britain's best-known brand names, and much more.
Limited Edition - Exclusive collection of hotels selected by Richard Branson for their individual style, unique destination, superb cuisine and high levels of service. Including Necker Island, available as a private holiday island for families and friends, or top level incentive destination and inspiring retreat.
Necker Island - It's part of the Virgin Islands, so Richard just had to have one! Visit us for the trip of a lifetime
Radio Free Virgin - Our fabulous combination of technology and music gives you the cool sounds of digital radio
Ulusaba - Discover the soul of Africa, where the forces of nature bring together a wilderness of beauty, spectacular wildlife and adventures that will remain with you for a lifetime
V2 Music - The UK's biggest and best independent record label. Home to Stereophonics, Liberty X, Underworld, Tom Jones, Elbow, Grandaddy, Mercury Rev, Jaimeson, and many more - including The White Stripes and Moby in the US.
THEIR LINK FOR COMPLAINTS IS: http://www.virgin.com/aboutus/complaints/
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 8:57 PM
Hill875, if I recall that case, working off the top of my head, it was in 1963, and involved an indigent man who needed counsel. He was being criminally tried. At first, the judge said the law only provided for an appointed counsel in capital cases, but the Gideon decision extended this to other criminal cases. The RIAA cases are civil, so that wouldn't necessarily help, if memory serves correctly.
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 8:59 PM
"In our adversary system of criminal justice," writes Justice Hugo Black, "any person hauled into court, who is too poor to hire a lawyer, cannot be assured a fair trial unless counsel is provided for him. This seems to us to be an obvious truth.... Lawyers in criminal courts are necessities, not luxuries... Legal representation is essential to a fair trial. The right of one charged with crime to counsel may not be deemed fundamental in some countries. But it is in ours."
Clarence Gideon was set free after winning his case...
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IFeelFree
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 9:00 PM
surfside6:
I'm not sure it's necessary to boycott all of those. We just need to show what will happen to their CD sales when they they start suing their customers. If CD sales fall of a cliff, that will get their attention. We're not going to bankrupt any of these large diversified companies, we just want to turn public sentiment against them. A sudden drop in CD sales will help convince the RIAA that maybe they've taken the wrong tack. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 9:17 PM
Now, if the gov went after you criminally you could probably get a court appointed attorney pursuant to the Giden ruling, if you were truly indigent, but would you want a court appointed lawyer in that situation?
but to show you how f'ed up our system is...a florida judge ruled that the state cannot prosecute pilots who were allegedly flying drunk because federal guidelines supercede state guidelines
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Jazzmary2U
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 9:34 PM
I'm with IFeelFree. You cannot boycott the whole capitalist system..that is simply impractical. You can target a particular corner of the market..in this instance, CD's by the RIAA labels. Two simple rules, applied, will make this effective. First, buy independent..the list is on this site, as well as others. Second, buy used..Riaa won't get money offa that.
ARE YOU REGISTERED AND READY? |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 10:35 PM
I think that those who are comfortable with an expanded boycott, should do so if they wish. It certainly will not hurt our movement if people are using a vertical model of boycott as well as a horizontal. For those who feel they cannot do this, at the very least a horizontal boycott against RIAA affiliated labels and artists. I have bought Sony products such as VCRs and radios in the past, but it will be a long time before I buy anything associated with Sony..certainly not one of those Vaio pieces of crap.
Can we stop everyone from buying any CDs or tapes from RIAA members? Of course not. Can we control our own buying habits? Yes. Can we try to influence those we meet and communicate with not to patronize these bastards? Yes. I keep saying this, and keep stressing it...in this economy, with people being laid off, states cutting back services, and BIG businesses going belly up...like the giant bankruptcies on file..the biggest companies in history to file..and this industry being one that feeds off discretionary income, we don't have to have near as much market penetration into their sales as during a period of good economy to do real damage. They are already hurting. Sure, they say its due to P2P, but in their private conversations, you know they have all the demographics, the sales records, the charts, they really know that it's not kids downloading a song here and there that is killing them. Sony was hurt big time just because TWO of their movies were flops, one being the Charlies Angels 2.
I have no philosophical nor strategic reason to tell anyone they shouldn't boycott a whole shitload of offspring companies of the Big 5. To be honest with you, corporate evil at the top filters down and affects how business is done at all levels of the little companies they own. It's corporate culture of evil. Sony was in a bind for a bit in that they were selling blank CDs and recorders, the sale of which were boosted by folks ripping and burning. They ended up supporting anti-P2P more. And the way, for any RIAA people...P2P does NOT fucking stand for Pirate to Pirate, it stands for Peer to Peer, Peer as in the folks who will make up your jury in the Pac-Bell case! {sorry for cursing).
Anyway, what could happen if people expand their boycott a level or two farther than the basic record label level? They end up with MO MONEY in their pocket.
Now before someone starts whining about look at all the people that will lose their jobs...look at all the people that might lose everything with these f'ing lawsuits. Do I feel sorry for Sony employees? Yeah, I feel sorry that they work for such sorry bastards that they have to pay the price for the sins of their masters.
AOL/Time Warner...god what assholes. Know what AOL tech support used to be told to tell people that called in with problems caused by AOL software (and by the way, for some time I was a beta tester for AOL software, testing versions before the public ever saw them)...they were told to tell people to format their drives and reinstall everything from scratch, that they had a bad computer... AOL techs were told to do anything they could to get the customer off their line asap! AOl used to have undercover teams online searching for people trading files on AOL, and this was a long time ago.
So, I don't feel bad if Sony or AOL/Time Warner suffers. They don't care if YOU suffer. And for those who try an extended vertical boycott and just can't maintain it...then no problem, at least maintain the basic boycott.
As far as music, I have cable (MTV , VH1,blues channel,and all that crap), I have radio, and have been buying tapes ,records, and CDs for about 35 years, and I have a guitar and keyboards if I get tired of pre-recorded. I can do without 50 Cent, Missy, Eminem, and the other crap.
Boycott...saving money AND destroying evil companies...IS THIS COOL OR WHAT?
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 10:43 PM
by the way, didn't want to insult anyone who likes their music...i'm old school and really dislike rap stuff...
:) but, different strokes for different folks...not everyone likes Whitesnake , Scorpions, or AC/DC either, but I do...:) |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 5, 2003 @ 10:50 PM
Actually, we could do some real damage to these large diversified companies. I have been calling for a federal investigation of the RIAA and its labels and partners. If a federal investigation started uncovering widespread "creative accounting" ala Enron and WorldCom (big bankruptcies) then the news of these investigations could result in big stock drops which could take even the biggest companies down...the herd instinct of shareholders kicks in and they start dumping stock like hot potatoes, and it starts a frenzy of selling...look at the depression...people lost faith in banks and started a run on banks, and before you know it, stock traders were taking the dirt dive out of top floor windows at the stock exchange.
Chaos theory kicks in...turbulence in stock market turns into failure of companies...random, increasingly large amounts of stock sales...stock drops to almost nothing, and Goliath falls on his face...dead as a doorknob, still wearing his armour, while little David (us) a shepherd, lowly and weak, stands with his sling in hand, smiling amidst the cheers of the armies of israel!
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Righton
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 12:48 AM
Agreed, we are in very unstable times.
We can't turn the cheek here, we must not only for ourselves but for our children and grandchildren fight this thing. Look at and consider that positive end results from winning.
Our rights remain constitutional, hopefully DMCA will eventually see its demise. The RIAA reprimanded and told to put up or shut up. Lets not forget, giving back the artists their careers to control and choose themselves. To see artists and labels use the interenet like it should be(listening to songs before buying them). In other words, giving the power back where it rightfully belongs to the people and the artists.
2yrs. ago I bought AC/DC's Back In Black
just to add to my collection. The CD wouldn't play in my CD-R.
About a year ago, I bought Toby Kieth's(country artist)CD "Pull My Chain" and it also doesn't play in my CD-R.
With both of these CD's like my others I have done, I wanted to burn a copy of and preserve the retail disk, cause I sure don't want to 6 months to a year later buy another disk to replace the previous one. I use the burned copy in my truck and car and boom box.
Since those two episodes, I haven't bought a retail CD and have no intentions do so. My loyality only goes so far. When I pay 18-20 dollars for a friggin CD, it should play in any player I have, and I should be able to make personal copies when I want. Why else would I buy if it(CD)couldn't do these things? Once I pay retail price for it, its mine my property. And what I play it in and the making of personal copies is my choice and right, because I already paid for it. |
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kyodylee
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 1:10 AM
r0dr0ddy says:
"But one thing is clear: millions of Americans have died in the past 227 years defending our Constutional rights. It cannot be tolerated that certain groups are spitting on the graves of all those who paid the ultimate price just so they can guarantee a slim margin of monetary profitability."
Amen! I have posted something along these same lines also. We have Americans dying RIGHT NOW in Iraq everyday for our freedom. This issue gets right to the core of our Constitution.
But I couldn't have said it better than you and it's worth repeating:
"It cannot be tolerated that certain groups are spitting on the graves of all those who paid the ultimate price..."
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tasadar24
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 6:14 AM
Taken off the palladium forum
MrDude
The end result will be a world without the likes of Microsoft and maybe we will see wome honest competition for a change.
The only problem with this is I'm a game player. If competition starts between the Software companys, then they might turn into bigger consoles. The only reason I would support the end of Microsoft is if the game designers created a universal emulator or something like that, that would allow games to run on all systems.
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tasadar24
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 6:46 AM
One more thing, do you think that they will televise the court case between SBC and RIAA? If they do, this site better tell me when its on.
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 8:35 AM
tasadar24 chances are it will be on court tv, unless the judge doesn't allow cameras. the judge should, since the public has a real interest in the proceedings.
http://www.courttv.com
About Palladium, Windows XP media edition, and the rest..folks its clear what is going on. Gov and big business is trying desperately, to get it mandatory to digitize everything. WHY?
One you digitize all commercial transactions, all checking (there is a digital check act working its way along). And, for ANYONE who has not heard of the "Know Your Customer" provision of the patriot act that is going to be in effect October 1, 2003...if you don't follow any other links I post...PLEASE CHECK THIS OUT...
www.experian.com/products/patriot_act_compliance.html
"Section 326 of the USA PATRIOT Act. This federal regulation requires financial institutions and others to implement a customer identification program by October 1, 2003"
This know your customer crap means every financial institution or one receiving reports, must build up a profile of each customer and monitor all transactions,and report any "suspicious" ones to the feds!
Once things are digitized,giant mega databases can be built up on each of us. News can be molded to fit the line that the media and gov wants you to believe. Folks, this is straight out of 1984 . Remember the character Winston in 1984 whose job it was to "create" the news to conform to the party line? Once all pictures are uploaded to news agencies (like the pics of Uday and Kusay), one can import pictures into Photoshop and make reality be what you want. Same thing w/ digital video and sound.
And, when news is dealing with presenting "breaking" stories in real time, the ability to import uploaded digital data into programs to "edit" the raw footage, is a great help and decreases lag time between real time occurence and presentation to the public,making the altered version much more believable. Most news photos are now taken with high priced , high resolution digital cameras and uploaded via a satellite link.
Tracking people, changing reality to fit what you want people to believe..it's all part of the New Freedom..or "Freedom Plus" brought to you by Dubya and "da boys".
:). And less we forget, Carnivore, Echelon, and Magic Lantern are being tied into these mega database profiles, enabling a "holographic like, multi-dimensional profile" of your past and present to be tracked for "possible terrorist tendencies".
Minority Report is where we are headed...all they need are the psychic twins!
~code
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CodeWarrior
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 8:42 AM
sorry...the whole link didn't go through...
http://www.experian.com/products/patriot_act_compliance.html |
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theHERMlT
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 12:44 PM
The larger bottom line always wins.
Boycott the bastards/RIAA TERRORIST.
Where does there money come from?
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Feisar
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 1:19 PM
When you think about it, the RIAA is actually justifying murdering their members. With the amount of prison time they can charge you with for downloading, then top it off with, what was is it again? $150,000 per song? Whatever, my point is that when you factor all of the numbers together, you'll might as well run a few of them off the road while you're at it. |
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diab999
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 2:56 PM
From everything I have read, they are not pressing criminal charges. |
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gdZiemann
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 3:30 PM
CodeWarrior -- Already wrote to Gerry Spence. He does criminal cases and doesn't do antitrust issues. He was very nice and gave a very personal response but he isn't right for our team, as talented and knowledgable as he is.
Overall, I really like the tone of the article here and all the comments. The "regular crowd" here has certainly expanded to a wider base in the last few months and it's encouraging to see the multitide of intelligent discussion going on. It's all about the artists and the music and those are the two primary issues that the RIAA never discusses.
Intellectual property owners is an oxymoron. If you want to have a "monopoly" on your intellectual property, there's only one way to do it -- don't publish it, print it, distribute it or advertise it.
The only true way to keep possession of intellectual property is to keep it to yourself. If you want the public to embrace your music, they've gotta be able to hear it.
Embrace file sharing or die, we say (for the billionth time) and keep boycotting. We're starting to hit them in the wallet very hard. Keep it up.
BOYCOTT THE RIAA BASTARDS!!
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tasadar24
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 6:40 PM
Code, can you give me a link to the full bill as is, I'd really be interested in reading the full bill so I can complain about it more intelligently. |
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Righton
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Date: August 6, 2003 @ 7:12 PM
Yep, me too. |
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