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djjayo1
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:38 AM
Yeah they rushed in to settle this one, due the PR nightmare they would have had.
I am glad though that Brianna got the attention she did, more people will be looking at these matters very closely in light of these developements. |
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taddzilla
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:48 AM
Tech TV will be hosting a discussion on the entire issue. It is called Music Wars. See the link below, sign up and send in your questions.
http://www.techtv.com/specials/story/0,24330,3510431,00.html |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:48 AM
"[...] as this case illustrates, parents need to be aware of what their children are doing on their computers," said Mitch Bainwol said in one of his first public utterances since taking over from Hilary Rosen as RIAA boss."
Yes Itchy, and where should good little parents go to report their children where you can sue them? Please provide us with an 800 number so that good new world order parents can rat on their own kids for a reward?
"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code
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justed
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:50 AM
Gee, that ($2,000) won’t even pay for a victory celebration lunch for these f*t @#@^$^*%%$!
Oh well, at least they made a little girl cry.
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tds67
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:58 AM
This is very disturbing...I feel like I woke up this morning in another country.
The RIAA is being so cavalier about this. Their attitude is: "Kids or their parents, it don't make no difference to us. Give us the money and let that be a lesson to you."
DEATH TO THE RIAA. |
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djjayo1
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:04 AM
Code, that's true.
Most parents don't even know how to use a pc, but their kids do. So how are the parents to know they are doing anything wrong when the need the kids to turn the dang (notice I didn't swear) thing on for them.
I saw somewhere else, I'll try to find the link, where a parent of another kid sued Aske the child what he would due if a major band play music he wrote and he didn't get paid for it? The kid responded that would be awsome. Note, how kids hold the fame in promotion more important to the monatary reward for their work.
The major acts need to start realizing this, for one gives freely only when they are given free choice to give, giving no choice to give freely will get you nothing. |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:09 AM
Here's how I feel about "RIAA music"
Cary-Sue:
I'd rather listen to my two cats playing tic-tac-toe with their claws on a blackboard than that crap you are melting onto plastic.
Also, Cary-Sue, aren't you getting behind on your ambulance chasing?
"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code |
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luthien
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:10 AM
"and where should good little parents go to report their children where you can sue them? Please provide us with an 800 number so that good new world order parents can rat on their own kids for a reward?"
Another comparison to 1984??? Where families spy on each other for Big Brother???
I am just so glad I don't live in America, the 'land of the free'!?! |
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svengali
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:21 AM
12 years old living with her mother in public housing....how long will it take to pay that back? |
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nyer82
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:25 AM
I can't blame this girl for settling, even though I wish someone had provided her lots of money to go ahead into court.
Anyway, I think we all should start some kinda donation thing to help pay the people back, for the RIAAs most egregious violations. Not every suit, just the ones that piss us off the most. Like this girl's. I think she should get her 2 Grand back. |
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PhantomGhost
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:28 AM
They couldn't stand the negative publicity, so they settled for a low price- only two grand. Well, they won't be able to get away with that for long. |
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NCdude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:35 AM
In the very near future we'll see this girl and her mother suing Kazaa for missleading them. And maybe someone from the RIAA will help them with the lawsuit against Kazaa? |
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John316
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:36 AM
Code: You are right my friend. Thanks for correcting me. I guess I let my feelings get in the way of my judgement. Jesus does say love your enemy and pray for them (Matthew 5:43-48) and this will heap coals upon their head. You know I am not as angry at Sherman as I am at their organization. I can't stand corrupt, deceitful companies who say one thing and turn around and do another. Being a hypocrite is what the RIAA is all about. Going after this lil girl and elderly man will be their ultimate downfall. This is PR SUICIDE. The RIAA will not be around for much longer after this debacle.
I was watching Dan Abrams last nite, and he too sides with tthe RIAA. He says that file sharing is a crime and that those who are caught should have to face the punishment the RIAA wants to dish out. Well I guess I will NEVER watch his show ever again. I am going to Boycott any person or company that sides with the HYPOCRITICAL RIAA.
The only thing evil needs to triumph is for good people to go nothing.
If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.
Peace Brothers & Sisters |
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CodeWarrior
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:43 AM
Good words my friend and always appreciate. Mr. Abrams, of Court TV, is a lawyer, and I find it quite natural for him to side with another ambulance chaser, Cary-Sue.
Blessings be to you John316
~code |
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John316
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:57 AM
Code: Blessings to you as well brother. Keep up the good work.
Peace |
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chewins
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:58 AM
This story makes me sick!! It shows how much power companies really have and how they don’t care about our society. How can they call themselves Americans?! Americans care about society and they obviously don’t!!
They have to be stopped!!!
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kneo24
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:01 AM
Someone tell me how it's possible for people in the projects to even afford shelling out two grand for something like this? |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:03 AM
You are all a bunch of crybabies. Especially Codewarrior. Hey Code what do you do for a living? Do you expect to get paid for your work or do you do it for free? Does your mommy pay your rent and your food bill? |
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:17 AM
Well, I am NEVER buying another cd(Indy all the way). And where was J-Blow from the block(You know, the "hood", the "ghetto")Don't be fooled by the rocks she's got. She still gonna leave your 12 year old to get shot. Out of the millions she's has, not a word on this 12 year old that got busted for downloading her songs. Not that's it's J-blows responsabilty, but the girl is 12, loves your music, can't afford your music, downloads your music, gets a nice $2000 bill(and the living crap scared out of her) for your songs. Least you could do is say something. Bitch. You have the media coverage, not us low life consumers. Me, being a real musician and all, would have been happy someone loves my music and "needs" to have it. If I had the cash(which J-blow does, I would pay that $2000 and give her everyone of my cd's. Not J-blow. So I hope all you worthless "Artists" loose all your money, starve, die and get forgotton, just like the RIAA pigs you serve. Harsh? I think not. Man I'm pissed. If anyone has links to "artists" that have stood up to the RIAA, I would love to see them. I need to know who not to hate. Man I'm pissed. |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:24 AM
Wow, I'm so glad that the RIAA has taught a lesson to a true "menace to society", a 12-yr-old honor student living in the projects. I'm a college student (not supported by my parents) who lives in the projects myself, and I support myself on $3,000.00 a year. And the RIAA cries about me not purchasing cd's for $16.00 a piece (to listen to the ONE decent song)! Go sit in your mansion and cry! Why don't you use all this time and money to combat drugs/gangs/hunger/serial killers! Instead of shaking down single mom's and 12-yr-olds for what is pocket change to you. |
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grumpygeezer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:25 AM
Ah, the enemy in our camp -- what a nice surprise.
(How is it we allow them access here?)
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:26 AM
Crybaby said: "Me, being a real musician and all, would have been happy someone loves my music and "needs" to have it"
Yeah sure Crybaby. I guess your're a real musician whose mommy pays your rent. That's why you don't care about making money. I hope you try to make it as a musician when your mommy stops supporting you. Then you'll be whining about how you can't make a living because everyone is stealing your music. Then you'll have to get a job in telemarketing calling people all day trying to sell them stuff while they hang up on you. Good luck, Mr. "Real Musician". |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:28 AM
"Ah, the enemy in our camp -- what a nice surprise. (How is it we allow them access here?)"
Yeah, God forbid you permit freedom of speech and open debate. Only people who toe the party line are allowed here! |
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AverageConsumer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:35 AM
The RIAA needs to be allowed to sue everyone they can get their hands on. With each new case, especially against 12 yr olds, and 71 yr old grandparents, more publicity ensues. Now the mainstream media is commenting on it, and not all of it is favorable.
That 12 yr old had no choice but to settle. She got caught. I won't argue legalities here, it's been done to death. This will become all about image and PR. The more 'clueless' people they go after, the better it is for our cause.
The message is: don't buy it and don't download it. Christmas is coming, and RIAA music is NOT on the gift list.
Continue the boycott!
Leave the lawsuits alone, the RIAA will hang itself eventually. It's gonna take some patience to let this play out. 2k from people in the projects for downloading music is hardly what I'd call a big victory. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:36 AM
fmlbullridr: You sound like a righteous upstanding dude. Pretty soon you will be able to download that one song for 99 cents or less. I hope you will do that instead of stealing the song. I would hate to see you get sued. The RIAA doesn't fight drugs and guns because that is not their job, they work for the record companies. |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:38 AM
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently and die gallantly. Specialization is for the insects."--Robert A. Heinlein.
If there's only one way you can make money, you're a sorry human being. Look at all the loggers who are out of work now. They adapted and moved on. Life is about change and adaptation. This does not exclude musicians. I'm not trying to be rude, just factual. The RIAA should've seen this coming with Napster. They missed the boat. |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:42 AM
By the way, mroop, "fml" means female. So I'm not a dude, and no, I won't get sued, because I am educated and I know the law. Do you? And I know it's not their job, the point I am making is that our focus in this country is extremely skewed. |
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grumpygeezer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:43 AM
"Yeah, God forbid you permit freedom of speech and open debate. Only people who toe the party line are allowed here!"
Try being a Republican wanting to sit in on a Democratic caucus sometime.
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grumpygeezer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:46 AM
P.S. Hey, enemy, look at he disclaimer at the bottom of the webpage; it says, "This site is a criticism of the RIAA", and you know that before you registered; where does it say that this website is open to anyone no matter who they are? |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:47 AM
Gee, it sounds like mroop has some mis placed agressiom!!! |
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azburner
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:47 AM
Hey Lars Ulrich: Whats up man? |
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svengali
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:51 AM
ahhh, trolls in our midst....Then you'll have to get a job in telemarketing calling people all day trying to sell them stuff while they hang up on you. Good luck, Mr. "Real Musician". Sounds like some inner turmoil with your telemarketing job....or are you an out of work musician?
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:51 AM
Female bull rider? You must be one tough chick - and I mean that as a compliment. :) I do know the law because I am a lawyer. The RIAA's job is to represent their clients - the record companies. The government's job is to combat drugs, gangs and hunger. So your beef is with ineffectual government and I agree with you. But that has nothing to do with the RIAA.
To grumpygeezer: I didn't see anything when I signed up that said I can only post if I have a certain point of view. So I will continue to bring a much needed dose of reality to this board. I think the readers here would benefit by seeing both sides of the picture. |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:54 AM
"IF YOU WANT TO AVOID BEING SUE. BUY OUR MUSIC AND STOP STEALING THEM."
You should really take some time out from shaking down 12-yr-olds and retake some English and/or typing classes. Just a thought. (You guys wonder why we don't take you seriously, read the above quote out loud to yourself.) |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:55 AM
"The RIAA should've seen this coming with Napster. They missed the boat."
Yes they did. Does that justify theft of intellectual property? I don't think so. When the pay services come online I expect that you will denounce illegal file sharing and come over to the RIAA position. Am I correct? |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:00 PM
Like I said before, I understand that it's the government's job to combat those things. My point is our focus as a society is so twisted. And you do have the right to free speech here, but I don't think that it will be greeted with open arms, because like grumpygeezer said, this site is for criticizing the RIAA.
And thanks for the compliment, I am a pretty tough chick. :) |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:03 PM
Mroop, You probably should have asked yourself this before posting to this site " Does anyone actually give a crap what I have to say?" Go piss up a tree dick weed... |
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grumpygeezer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:04 PM
"When the pay services come online I expect that you will denounce illegal file sharing and come over to the RIAA position. Am I correct?"
No, you are not correct.
Number one, file sharing per se is not illegal.
Number two, we will not be buying any non-used RIAA CD's.
We will be loyal to the namesake of the website: www.ROYCOTT-riaa! (And we have solid reasons.)
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:05 PM
Just a quick question, if you are who you claim, why did it take your industry thirty years to decide you wanted to persecute people for copying music. You were well aware of it, and your silence spoke quite loudly. |
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grumpygeezer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:07 PM
Well, I admit my FINGERS are sometimes not correct.
I meant BOYCOTT-riaa, of course.
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TheTap
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:08 PM
""RIAA 1 Boycottcrybabies 0"
Lets not lose site of where this really stands.
Actually it's more like:
RIAA - 4
Boycott-RIAA - 60,000,000
I have 10s of thousands of mp3's. So do many others here. We already won. Are they gonna go house to house and collect computers? If not, the game was over a long time ago and they lost.
What's happening now is just prolonged nusance. |
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:10 PM
mroop...you make me laugh. You "guess" that because I am a "real musician", "my mommy pays my rent." You guessed wrong, dumb ass. And you used that "mommy pays your rent" line before, you are bright. Like a shimmering, wet turd in the moonlight. Anyway, you can download any of my music for free at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/226/within.html and http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/223/endless_sorrow.html, and if you want all my songs, I can send em to you free. Why free? Because, I make money in other ways. Usally pimping your mom off, but that's a whole other story. I know it's hard for you to understand, cause your slow, but most people can do more than one thing. Sorry you got shorted on that. I would blame god if I was you. Mabey he's forgotten you. |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:11 PM
TAP.......Nice.......thanks for reminding me just how much free music we actually have. 60 MILLION PEOPLE (WITH AN AVERAGE OF 100 SONGS EACH) hmmmm,,,, |
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svengali
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:12 PM
use the $2000 to buy mroop some typing and spelling lessons RIAA....or buy yourself a brain |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:13 PM
mroop...you state that file sharig is theft. Theft is a crime. Why is no one being prosecuted for crimes of theft then??
Or is this not your area of expertise?? |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:13 PM
-RIAA-
How about a hell no? (You're just not smart enough for me.) |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:13 PM
mroop...you state that file sharing is theft. Theft is a crime. Why is no one being prosecuted for crimes of theft then??
Or is this not your area of expertise?? |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:13 PM
fuck the RIAA. I dont see the harm in people downloading music for their own personal enjoyment. Now if those people are downloading songs, burning CD's and selling them for profit, that is wrong and they should be sued. But for the majority of us that just download music to listen to at home, work, etc...Whats the big deal?? The record companies and Artists have money coming out of their asses. Who the fuck needs 4 Escalades, 2 houses, a penthouse, etc?? The people downloading are just your average hard working americans that dont want to buy a CD full of crappy songs just to get the one song they like. Furthermore, I believe that music downloading off the internet gives some people a taste of what artist they like, and maybe then they will support that artist more, going to their concerts, buying their music, etc. And it especially pisses me off when these corporate bastards are going after kids!!! How sick is that. I wonder if they can sleep at night knowing what they are doing. Pretty soon this country will be communist. |
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grumpygeezer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:13 PM
Troops, we can decide to ignore the trolls; responding to them probably dilutes our focus and distracts those who peruse this website hoping for good information and valid arguments, not verbal battles.
So, I for one, am going to re-focus.
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:13 PM
fuck the RIAA. I dont see the harm in people downloading music for their own personal enjoyment. Now if those people are downloading songs, burning CD's and selling them for profit, that is wrong and they should be sued. But for the majority of us that just download music to listen to at home, work, etc...Whats the big deal?? The record companies and Artists have money coming out of their asses. Who the fuck needs 4 Escalades, 2 houses, a penthouse, etc?? The people downloading are just your average hard working americans that dont want to buy a CD full of crappy songs just to get the one song they like. Furthermore, I believe that music downloading off the internet gives some people a taste of what artist they like, and maybe then they will support that artist more, going to their concerts, buying their music, etc. And it especially pisses me off when these corporate bastards are going after kids!!! How sick is that. I wonder if they can sleep at night knowing what they are doing. Pretty soon this country will be communist. |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:17 PM
RIAA-------I haven't paid for a song in over 5 years....In fact I have given away prolly close to 1000 songs, however I have never given away an entire work (Album)I have sampled and made avail to the public partial pieces(individual tracks) for the purpose of education to the masses.... |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:18 PM
Also ........wrong post before...
RIAA-----You probably should have asked yourself this before posting to this site " Does anyone actually give a crap what I have to say?" Go piss up a tree dick weed... |
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larshater
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:18 PM
This a sad commentry on how corporate America just doesn't give a shit As long as they are making money who cares? Mr Sherman et al should be real proud of themselves going after a 12 year old what's next going after kindergarteners |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:18 PM
RIAA....you need a life thinking you are fooling anyone that your from the RIAA. If you are your lucky this is over the internet cause you would be lynched |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:19 PM
RIAA....you need a life thinking you are fooling anyone that your from the RIAA. If you are your lucky this is over the internet cause you would be lynched |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:19 PM
Amen, Jays. |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:25 PM
Hey RIAA i jut downloaded two songs in the tme it took you to type that crappy comeback.. :) |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:25 PM
AntiRepublican said: "mroop...you state that file sharing is theft. Theft is a crime. Why is no one being prosecuted for crimes of theft then??"
Theft, violation of copyright law, whatever. The point is: IT IS ILLEGAL.
UmakeBabyJes said: if you want all my songs, I can send em to you free. Why free? Because, I make money in other ways."
So you have day job. Good for you! You choose to give away your music. THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. Some people want to make a living solely at music. They might choose not to give away their music. THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. Who are you to take something that doesn't belong to you? Are you God or a just a common criminal? I say the latter.
Jays said: "The record companies and Artists have money coming out of their asses."
Do you really believe that? I think you've been watching too much MTV. 99% of artists are broke, you dummy. |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:27 PM
You might want to go to your law library and look up "implied consent".
And there is no need to shout, i'm standing right next to you. |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:27 PM
Score....
Me 1275 Songs and counting
riaa $0 |
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tds67
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:27 PM
I think we should not only start a fund for the 12 year old girl to reimburse the $2,000, but we should donate an additional $1,000 on top of it and make it profitable for her (or, to look at it another way, pay her for pain and suffering). |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:29 PM
$2000 in your pocket, because you molested a 12 year-old. WOW, you should be real proud of that.
I'll be back later, I am downloading 200 more mp3's today. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:29 PM
Grumpygeezer said: "Number one, file sharing per se is not illegal."
I never said it was, I specifically said "illegal file sharing". Thank you.
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:31 PM
"WE IGNORE THE THEFT OF OUR PRODUCTS IN THE PAST BECAUSE THERE WERE NO STEADY DECLINE IN OUR REVENUE UNTIL THE EVOLUTION OF FILE SHARING ON THE INTERNET. WE TOOK ACTION AND WON. CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WILL NO LONGER BE TOLERATED. YOU MUST PAY!"
- Yes, we MUST pay. For blank CD's. And what did you win? I have over 10,000 songs. Seems like I won and EVERYONE I know won. But that's just me. Yay for me. Smooth move, wet shits. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:33 PM
Wiley69 said: "You might want to go to your law library and look up "implied consent"."
I know what implied consent means. Obviously you are not a lawyer like me because if you think implied consent comes into play you don't know what the hell you are talking about, with all due respect. |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:35 PM
Me 1278 Songs and counting
riaa $0 |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:36 PM
mroop....with all due respect, I don't think you are a lawyer. |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:36 PM
Please explain the concept to us, with all due respect. |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:43 PM
I like -RIAA-, he's funny! |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:44 PM
Yes I am a lawyer. Implied consent is very simple - it means that that one party has impliedly consented as opposed to explicitly consenting or not consenting at all. I have never even heard the argument that the record companies have somehow impliedly consented to having their intellectual property given away by third parties. That is ridiculous.
Please flesh out your theory - how does implied consent come into play? I gotta hear this one. :) |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:46 PM
Just because you make a choice doesn't mean it's going to work out for you. If it did, I would choose to be rich, beautiful, perfect, and not have to do anything. Life's not fair. |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:47 PM
Oh the artists and record companies are broke....whaaaahh Lets all set up a donation for them, i sooo feel sorry for them. You know what, I dont buy that bullshit for one second. And no i dont watch too much MTV, I get my information from news sources, not entertainment or reality TV you assfuck. Like i stated before, just having music on your computer for your own use, theres not anything wrong with that. If you are burning CD's and selling them to people, then that may be a problem. Music downloading will not go away. There will always be people who will download mp3's no matter what the RIAA does about it. They can not sue every person. And if they think that CD sales are down now, wait it will go down more now that they are suing people for downloading. I for one will never buy a CD, not because i am against supporting my favorite artists, but so that the RIAA will not get any of my money. The internet has let us be able to enjoy our favorite songs without being ripped off for the 15-20 dollar price for one CD, to get the one or two songs that we like. If the prices were resonable for CD's then maybe things would be different. Oh sorry for the multiple posts, im having server problems. Ohhh nooo maybe the RIAA is breaking into my computer...IM soooo scared!!!! I better go and delete all my music.. HAHAHA yeah right. by the way i work for an ISP and i will be damned if i help anyone supena documents! |
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slackdaddybj
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:48 PM
I am a "real musician" and I am poor. I also realize that all this talk of taking money from the artists is largely a smokescreen to detract from the real fact that the RIAA is upset that their profiteering and shortsightedness is costing them (the RIAA) profit. Why do they not go after Columbia House or BMG or the other CD clubs THAT DON"T PAY ROYALTIES TO THE ARTISTS! At least be honest and not try to twist the truth behind all this legal action. |
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Ripandburn
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:49 PM
Me 1282 Songs and counting
riaa $0 |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:52 PM
For thirty years the average citizen has had the ability, and has been copying music. The recording industry took no action to prevent this, even though they were well aware of the practice.
No, I am not a lawyer, just a consumer who has supported an ungreatful, greedy industry for 35 years. |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:53 PM
I agree with slackdaddybj, What about BMG or Columbia house?? Why not go after everyone that subscribes to them? It is the same damn thing as going after people that use kaaza. My point to the rich artist, like Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguleria, Britney Spears, Metallica, etc. These people are not poor. The RIAA im sure is not "broke" Im all for supporting the artists that you listen to, especially the talented ones that are starting out or that are not as widely known yet. |
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tds67
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:54 PM
Enough with the flamers already. They are here for a single purpose: to distract and dissipate our energy and anger. Ignore them.
Now for something that WILL make a difference: Let's start a fund for the 12 year old girl. I can't think of a better way to make a statement and generate the right kind of publicity.
The goal will be $2,000 plus an additional amount, say $1,000 or more. I myself will donate $100. We need someone that we can trust to coordinate and collect the funds. I vote for CodeWarrior.
LET'S DO THIS NOW!!! |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:55 PM
"by the way i work for an ISP and i will be damned if i help anyone supena documents!"
You will meekly do whatever they tell you to do. You have a big mouth on the internet but at your job you do what you are told like a good boy.
"Why do they not go after Columbia House or BMG or the other CD clubs THAT DON"T PAY ROYALTIES TO THE ARTISTS! "
For a real musician you are pretty damn ignorant. The RIAA represents Columbia House and BMG and a bunch of other record companies. That would be like me suing me. Lol. Next, record clubs do pay royalties at a reduced rate per the contract.
Now I am starting to understand you people a little bit. You are so filled with misinformation and ignorance that is is amazing! |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:57 PM
Wiley69 - thanks for the response. I would say that "waiver" would be a more appropriate theory than "implied consent" under the facts as you state them. But neither of these theories will hold any water in a court of law. That is just a fact. |
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IFeelFree
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:58 PM
RIAA future hit list:
1) Kindly old grandmother.
2) Child in wheelchair.
3) Decorated war veteran.
4) AIDS victim.
5) NYC Twin Towers firefighter.
6) Sports star/Olympic medal winner.
8) Terminally ill mother of young children.
7) Sons/daughters of judges, D.A.s, congressmen, etc.
8) Wealthy Republicans.
9) RIAA member.
With thousands of people about to be sued, sooner or later, some of these are bound to happen. What public relations disaster. |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:59 PM
I guess it's a good thing we have jury trials................ |
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TheTap
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:04 PM
UmakeBabyJes - You're right. Everyone I know has HD's full of mp3's. Music sharing could stop today and I'd have a great collection to listen to. Beside that, 99% of what is being put out today is of no interest to me. Yea, I might want more urban hip-hop crap to add to my collection.
... and who said my mp3's are illegal??
... hopefully your tracers can detect private connections, like FTP, IRC and IM cause that's the only way you'll know.
Yawn
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:05 PM
mroop
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:55 PM
"by the way i work for an ISP and i will be damned if i help anyone supena documents!"
You will meekly do whatever they tell you to do. You have a big mouth on the internet but at your job you do what you are told like a good boy.
Ya dont know me at all and have no idea, I could only wish we were discussing this in person, then you would find out. We are all intitled to our opinions, but it takes a pretty slimy sob to belittle people on the internet. I started this post putting my own opionions about to RIAA, not bashing anyone personally, but then you people reply with personal attacks as your comment to my post "Do you really believe that? I think you've been watching too much MTV. 99% of artists are broke, you dummy" bravo, you have quite the big mouth also
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:06 PM
Yes it is a good thing we have jury trials. If you think a jury of ordinary citizens is going to feel sorry for a defendant who is offering up someone else's property for free then you are dreaming.
"Ladies and gentleman of the jury. How would you feel if you spent money to put together a recording studio, took months to record your own music, spent your own money to press up cd's, built your own web site to sell those cd's, and then Johnny took your music and offered it for free to millions of people?" |
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cosjon04
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:07 PM
-RIAA- Can you even use proper english? You sure forget a lot of S's where words should be plural. We obviously see here the retardation of your side of the argument and the people behind it. |
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cosjon04
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:10 PM
Oh in addition, I have a 4 year old cousin who uses Kazaa on a daily basis. Why not sue the fuck out of her. I'm sure she deserves it. |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:11 PM
mroop- like I said, life's not always fair! |
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:13 PM
mroop says: "Some people want to make a living solely at music."
- Yes, they are lazy. I know. You don't have to tell me. They just don't want to grow up. I bust my ass 16 hours a day, and STILL have time to play my music AND pay my bills. But some people want to make a living solely at music, you say. I say, Life's a bitch, ask Brianna Lahara. Get a job. And just to remind you, it's the RIAA that is going after people, not the artists. So who is the crybaby now? Artists make the most off of live shows and merchandise.
Quote if the day:
"Waaah Wahhhh" - RIAA
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tds67
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:14 PM
I want the 12 year old girl being sued by the RIAA to profit and be rewarded for what she has done. I want her to feel good about herself again.
Donating $$$ to a fund for her is a great way to fight back against the RIAA. It would be great if she could make $1,000 or $2,000 over and above the settlement money she is required to pay. Imagine the positive press this would get and how it would counter the RIAA's message that this little girl is a criminal. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:15 PM
Agreed - life is rarely fair!
To jays: How do you know that I don't work for the RIAA. Maybe when you spew your blatant falsehoods you are insulting me. Have you heard the saying: Know your enemy? You know nothing about the subject at hand, you are ignorant. Not an insult, just a fact. :) |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:19 PM
I still stand by my earlier statement, "Well, we knew people were doing this for 35 years, and did nothing to stop it, but now we changed our minds, I can't afford the new house this year."
Don't mis understand me, I am not condoning the theift of any artist's work; my issues are with the highly imballanced compensation, and the heavy handed tatics of the industry. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:19 PM
UmakeBabyJes said: "Yes, they are lazy. ... Artists make the most off of live shows and merchandise."
Lazy because they want to make a living solely off music? That makes no sense. As far as artists making money off live shows and merchandise - what about the songwriter? What about the producer? These people don't make any money from live shows and merchandise. A songwriter writing a beautiful song doesn't deserve to get paid? Second, the artist making money from live shows and merchandise was promoted by the record company or no one would be at the show buying a ticket and a t-shirt.
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:20 PM
I agree with wiley69. |
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f-the-riaa
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:20 PM
Time to counter sue the RIAA in far away remote locations. Sue them in small claims for $500 or so, for a real oddball reason. They will have to fly their lawyers to the remotes locales, pay for hotels, etc. Hassle the piss out of them, make them feel like that 12 year old honor student. They also have a "800" number, tell them your opinion ( dime's on them).
MAKE THEM PAY!!! |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:22 PM
Wiley69 said: "I still stand by my earlier statement, "Well, we knew people were doing this for 35 years, and did nothing to stop it, but now we changed our minds, I can't afford the new house this year.""
You can stand by your statement. I'm just saying in a court of law the theory of implied consent would not fly as a defense to copyright infringement. |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:23 PM
I don't think they are necessarily lazy for wanting to make a living off of music. But there are many things that I can't make a living off of these days, that I could've before technology. So find something else.
Cowboys never sued the railroad for taking away the way they made their living. (i.e. herding cattle, which is all but extinct now because of fences, trucks, railroads, etc.) |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:25 PM
MROOP, did you happen to make note of the address you typed into your little browser window before you arrived at this site? Of course, the majority of people here are going to be against the RIAA - that's the point. Do you frequent other discussion forums throwing around the claim that, 'only people who agree with the topic are allowed here'? What a completely invalid and ignorant claim.
All that aside, how many 'real musicians' really get paid, anyway?
Since you're a 'real lawyer' who obviously isn't supported by 'mommy', I'd be interested to know how with such childish basis for arguements you are able to afford access to the computer you type your incoherent BS on.
Go find your internet conflict elsewhere, this site is for those who are affected and concerned with this issue. Live out your ignorance induced fantasy of obtaining any sort of prestige in the law community on a forum that will allow you to do so. |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:25 PM
i could care less if you work for the RIAA, i wasnt bashing an individual, just the corporation. If you do work for the RIAA then i hope you feel good about yourself making this world a "better place" and one more step toward commumism |
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tds67
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:25 PM
We need to do something useful, like create a fund for the 12 year old girl and gain public support.
The alternative is to continue to listen to the drivel of people like mrpoop. |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:28 PM
This is an open forum, we all have a right to our respective opinions, whatever they may be. |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:29 PM
i agree, there needs to be more DISCUSSION instead of juvenile name calling |
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jays
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:31 PM
Question for anyone that knows....If you use Kaaza, and put your kaaza to Not share, can they still find you? |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:35 PM
I don't know for sure, I would think your IP addy would still be logged. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:36 PM
"i could care less if you work for the RIAA, i wasnt bashing an individual, just the corporation."
Well then I apologize, I thought you were speaking to me as an individual when you called me an "assfuck". My mistake. :) |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:38 PM
"Question for anyone that knows....If you use Kaaza, and put your kaaza to Not share, can they still find you?"
If you don't share you won't be sued so DON'T SHARE. |
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justed
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:39 PM
“mroop” (Yes I am a lawyer.”), “-RIAA-” (: “I'M REALLY GONNA GETCHA.”): Good to see your presence.
“Now I am starting to understand you people a little bit. You are so filled with misinformation and ignorance that is is amazing!”
Question: Is this all about the cabal of the “music industry” not wanting the listening public to be able to hear music until after they’ve paid for it (via filesharing etc.)?
Question: Do you expect us to believe that ‘you’ represent the ‘artists’ when we think you represent the music industry cabal that acts through the RIAA?
Question: Do you personally believe that defense of (self-evidently) flawed copyright law is upholding your responsibilities as a lawyer?
Question: Are you personally unconcerned by the moral and ethical dilemma that supporting a cabal of so-called ‘music industry’ companies who have sponsored legislation solely to protect their own very narrow self-defined interests at the expense of all human freedom across broad areas of endeavor has created?
Question: Do you personally not see the far-reaching consequences of any ‘success’ your willingness to support the ‘music industries’ actions will have?
Thanking you in advance,
I am,
justed
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:40 PM
If you're not sharing, then it's not illegal. Per se. It's the people who are making the files available that they are going after. And only if you have 1,000 songs or more available. Apparently they have placed the value of $1.00 per song. (which is still over priced, if you ask me)
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17-18red.htm |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:43 PM
Justed, all questions that a lawyer might be able to respond to. mroop, however, has a little research to do. Judging by the promptness of his posts, I'm sure he's got plenty of time on his hands.
Aw, the marvels of the internet. I think today I'll be.... |
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Spica
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:50 PM
So in the unlikely even of getting caught, they take all the money I have in the bank?
OK let's do some economic analysis:
Probability of getting caught:
P=2,000/60,000,000 = 0.003%
Average settlement:
A=$10,000.00
Expected net loss:
L = P*A = $0.33
COST OF ONE SINGLE CHEAPEST CD:
C=$12.00
C > L
Sorry RIAA.
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Spica
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:51 PM
*unlikely event |
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dodge1
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:52 PM
FYI
Grokster boss to pay 12 yr old girls fine. More info here:
http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143514
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justed
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:52 PM
mrbonzo (Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:43 PM):
I can wait (actually, I’ll check back) for an answer.
justed
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:53 PM
Question: Is this all about the cabal of the “music industry” not wanting the listening public to be able to hear music until after they’ve paid for it (via filesharing etc.)?
No, it's about copyright infringement. Wanna hear a sample? Go to amazon.com.
Question: Do you expect us to believe that ‘you’ represent the ‘artists’ when we think you represent the music industry cabal that acts through the RIAA?
Talk to some RIAA artists in private and see what they think of you. Hint - they don't like you stealing their music.
Question: Do you personally believe that defense of (self-evidently) flawed copyright law is upholding your responsibilities as a lawyer?
The law is the law. You don't like it? Lobby Congress. You don't have the right to break the law just because you don't like it. That's called anarchy.
Question: Are you personally unconcerned by the moral and ethical dilemma that supporting a cabal of so-called ‘music industry’ companies who have sponsored legislation solely to protect their own very narrow self-defined interests at the expense of all human freedom across broad areas of endeavor has created?
A loaded question. Of course the music industry supports legislation that is in it's interest. You don't like capitalism? Then move to Cuba. Lobby Congress. But you won't do that. You will just steal music and justify if it any way you can.
Question: Do you personally not see the far-reaching consequences of any ‘success’ your willingness to support the ‘music industries’ actions will have?
Yes I do. Drive file sharing underground. Offer music for download at a far price. Simple as that.
"Judging by the promptness of his posts, I'm sure he's got plenty of time on his hands."
MrBozo - You still don't believe I'm a lawyer? Think what you want, it doesn't bother me none. :)
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brianmcneil
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:53 PM
How much does it cost to put a trial into court. How much do the RIAA lawyers get paid? Maybe, just maybe this is the reason that artists and record companies are losing money through supporting the RIAA |
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wiley69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:55 PM
Hey all,
Thanks for a stimulating discussion, but I've been up all nite, and it's time to go to bed.
Thanks! |
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Ripshaw
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:55 PM
I sure wish we could boycott lawyers but they would just sue us for discriminating against the mentally handicap. A world without the record industry would be like a picnic without fire ants and anthrax. |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:56 PM
first of all, i think that -RIAA- is just some lame ass kid with too much time on his hands trying to piss off people who are working for a cause.
mroop-"Well then I apologize, I thought you were speaking to me as an individual when you called me an "assfuck". My mistake. :)"
well yeah im sure he was because you do seem to be an assfuck, but more in detail id say that you are also a felch monger, because after you have an assfuck, you like to suck out your giz with a straw. - RIAA are nazis
somewhere up there, mroop said something like "if you put together mp3s, spent all your money preparing them and then johnny goes and gives them to millions of people for free how would you feel." well mroop its you who keeps saying that life is tough, and also why should people who download music be sued?? if anyone should be sued its the person to provided them means to download it.
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:57 PM
first of all, i think that -RIAA- is just some lame ass kid with too much time on his hands trying to piss off people who are working for a cause.
mroop-"Well then I apologize, I thought you were speaking to me as an individual when you called me an "assfuck". My mistake. :)"
well yeah im sure he was because you do seem to be an assfuck, but more in detail id say that you are also a felch monger, because after you have an assfuck, you like to suck out your giz with a straw. - RIAA are nazis
somewhere up there, mroop said something like "if you put together mp3s, spent all your money preparing them and then johnny goes and gives them to millions of people for free how would you feel." well mroop its you who keeps saying that life is tough, and also why should people who download music be sued?? if anyone should be sued its the person(s) to provided them means to download it.
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:57 PM
first of all, i think that -RIAA- is just some lame ass kid with too much time on his hands trying to piss off people who are working for a cause.
mroop-"Well then I apologize, I thought you were speaking to me as an individual when you called me an "assfuck". My mistake. :)"
well yeah im sure he was because you do seem to be an assfuck, but more in detail id say that you are also a felch monger, because after you have an assfuck, you like to suck out your giz with a straw. - RIAA are nazis
somewhere up there, mroop said something like "if you put together mp3s, spent all your money preparing them and then johnny goes and gives them to millions of people for free how would you feel." well mroop its you who keeps saying that life is tough, and also why should people who download music be sued?? if anyone should be sued its the person(s) to provided them means to download it.
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thestrokes
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:59 PM
yah, one time this fed busted up into my house, like all up in my business, and popped a few into my shin... like how the hell do you know im downloading fuckin music from the internet? hes all like, Your isp ratted you out, then im all like - eat shit beeyatch! |
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thestrokes
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:01 PM
yeah, RIAA are a bunch of nazi's, stealing money for stuff we can get for free =P |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:01 PM
"if anyone should be sued its the person to provided them means to download it."
First of all the file sharing services are being sued. Second, when someone uses a gun to murder, is it the fault of the murderer of the gun manufacturer? If you break the law you are responsible, don't blame the tool. That is an abdication of your personal responsibility. It is weak minded.
"RIAA are nazis"
Nazis sent people into gas chambers and murdered them. Your analogy is inappropriate and offensive. You have no respect for the millions of innocent people who died at the hands of the Nazis. Disgusting.
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thestrokes
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:02 PM
well aparently you are a nazi... idiot |
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thestrokes
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:04 PM
anyway ,mroop, yeah, i know all about Nazis, and yeah, how the swastika was a sybol of good luck.. did you know that? |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:04 PM
hey -RIAA- ill downloading music all i fuckin want, ive done nothing wrong, i download music and buy cds, but why buy a cd to support an artist that only has one song you like?? its stupid, and you obviously arent part of RIAA because they wont waste their time on this site and im sure that they can use proper grammar. RIAA are greedy bastards who are leeching money off of innocent people for profit.
hey mroop, nazis DID send people into gas chambers, and guess what, RIAA are taking away peoples money and their freedom to listen to music, we are even i dont care if you are insulted, infact im glad if you are insulted because that means ive accomplished what i meant to. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:04 PM
"well aparently you are a nazi... idiot"
What are you 12 years old? Don't you have someone to beat up on the playground?
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:05 PM
mroop, shooting someone with a gun is quite a bit different, if you are suing the programs leave the people alone. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:07 PM
The people are using the progams. Don't want to get sued? Don't use the program. Accept responsibility for your actions. Rob a store, get caught, pay the price. |
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AverageConsumer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:10 PM
Out of all this trolling and response, one thing comes to mind:
mroop has stated, "Talk to some RIAA artists in private and see what they think of you. Hint - they don't like you stealing their music."
OK, fair enough. I want to see loads and loads of public service announcements, by each and every artist, denouncing file sharing, and calling all those who download "despicable criminals".
I want them to come on national media, look straight into the camera and say, "We want you to stop stealing our music. We want you all to go to the store and pay whatever our organization wishes to charge for the *privilege* of listening to our product."
I want to hear it straight from them personally, on camera, to the nation and the world. I want to hear it every single day, from every single artist who feels that strongly about it. I want them to *personally* denounce the practice in public if they feel that strongly about it.
They should look the public in the eye and tell them to stop being lowlife freeloaders and to start acting like customers.
We can start with J-Low "from da block/hood/ghetto/wherever."
Sounds reasonable to me. They're used to being on stage and the center of attention, shouldn't be much of an effort, really. |
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azburner
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:18 PM
" BUNCH OF CRIMINALS STEALING FROM HARDWORKING INDIVIDUALS."
Now that is B.S. You are way off calling us criminals , a lot of us don't share files . But we are boycotting a TYRANT! |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:21 PM
This has quickly become ludicrous. It's apparent that "certain" individuals are misrepresenting their identities in a feeble attempt to disguise ineffectual opinions. Firstly, an organization deeming an act "theft", does not make it necessarily so, thus rendering the argument null. Secondly, the "artists" in reference, are not being stolen from/sampled/borrowed because the material is owned by the label in most cases, NOT the artist. Finally, what is to become of the taxes paid for recordable media over the last ten years, if file-sharing ever IS deemed illegal by the law? I'm certain that many of us would benefit from the returns, assuming that the RIAA is honorable enough to refund monies spent on non-existent services. Wouldn't they? |
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Sonic1992
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:22 PM
Lots of Americans right now are dying far away in the middle east, and the RIAA is wasting Government money suing people for damn music!! RIAA, You make me SICK. You're SCUM *I* Download! AND *I* BUY CD's TOO! BUT I WILL NOT PAY YOU SCUMBAGS 18.00 FOR ONE SONG. You say your trying to support an industry, Well it's an industry of WHORES like britney spears and drug dealing and violence promotion. You make lots of money from those thugs! Always the same thing, Half naked or rappin' about drugs! But damn sure don't get it for free! Be sure to pay us for this degreadation of America! I sure hope that the next persons house you go to with a bullshit lawsuit over downloading music will pull a gun on you and scare the crap out of you and it turns into a 6:00 news incident and put an end to this B.S.... And get back to real issues like Homeland Security and bringing our troops home! Drop Dead RIAA From now on, everyone only buy CD's from Pawn Shops and other Used resources |
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:23 PM
mroop: "Lazy because they want to make a living solely off music? That makes no sense.what about the songwriter? What about the producer? These people don't make any money from live shows and merchandise."
- First, "Lazy because they want to make a living solely off music? That makes no sense" - this just means you are dumb, sorry, I can't help that. When I am on the road, it's a freaking party 24/7. It is NOT a job, you get laid, drugs O plenty, people giving you things, and you get to be lazy. Yeah, it's real hard, I know. I live it. No more beer please, I don't think I will make it, I have been doing drugs all day and I am just tooooooo tired:(
Ask my dad if a musician is a "REAL" job. HAAA, idiot.
- second, your producer and songwriter can blow me. I write my own music and I don't need a producer. These people are like Bigfoot hunters, they are just not needed. I have ZERO respect for them. Get real jobs. They deserve nothing. They make people with NO talent sound ok. YAY. KEEP EM! When I walk in to a recording studio, I pay, I set up the board, I set up the mics, then I send everyone who is not in the band home. I don't need some dumb ass to tell me if I turn up the bass I'll get that Linkn Park sound. BLOW ME. You don't deserve any money for being worthless. But that's just coming from a "REAL" musician. Sorry if the record labels sign untalented bands. So why are people downloading these crap songs? My guess, Because it's free and as a bonus, it hurts you. And we like to hurt the RIAA like they like to hurt 12 year olds. It's fun.
So really it's about money. That's the same issue the consumers are having. We will not pay $18 for your overproduced, poorly written albums(Remember the boston Tea Party). The game is over and the RIAA is grasping at straws.Just a matter of time.
MP3.com, FULL of great unsigned bands. FREE FREE FREE. Cause for most "REAL" musicians, it's about the music and not the money.
By the way, I can get any song free on the radio. I can record it and cut out the commercials. Actually, that's how I got All 10000 of my mp3's. You should sue the air for delivering all that free music.
Quote of the day:
"Waaah Wahhhh, life is not fair.Can I have a quarter." - RIAA |
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P2PUSER
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:28 PM
Maybe Kazaa should pay all the fines for their customers who are being sued. Of course that will never happen because they are just another big corporation who doesn't give a crap about you or me. They won their court case so we are on our own against the RIAA nazis. |
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svengali
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:32 PM
cosjon dont make fun of mroop....hes a lawyer you know:) |
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brianmcneil
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:37 PM
A roommate of mine use to work for EMI. That company wasted so much money and blamed everything on file sharing. Its not file sharing its poor money management. EMI would overnight my roommate all his promotions materials even when he did not need it the next day. 500 stickers for a band he's yet to hear at a cost of $30. Then multiply that by 30 college reps nation wide. $900 for mailing stickers overnight that could have been shipped regular mail. Sony's regional office in Chicago blew $1 million dollars in their art department on markers, laminates, copies and postage last year alone. This is ridiculous. it's not filesharing its the fact that these office people are use to living like rock stars and don't want to have to live like a normal person. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:38 PM
mroop your mention of school yard insults is filled with an insane amount of hypocricy as you're documented in resorting to name calling when someone questions your views or claims, all of which you blindly label as 'reality'.
perhaps you should be handed a spoon full of your own medicine? wake-up. not everyone is going to believe your garbage and this website is a website ran and supported by those who don't. your presence is neither warranted nor wanted as you're serving no purpose other than wasting the time of those who contribute something to this discussion rather than use internet fantasy to oppose it. |
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brianmcneil
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:39 PM
oh yeah, then they laid him off because they were going broke |
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RobRebel
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:39 PM
Hey Mroop & -RIAA-...please explain why it is that the percentage all of the money collected from the tax on cd-writers & blank cds is still sitting in the RIAA's pockets instead of being given to the artists as was planned since 1997. |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:40 PM
We "thefts" anxiously await...provided that your numerical-arrangement skills are sharper than your grammatical skills. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:42 PM
btw, if you're an attorney, i'd be interested to know your name and the state you practice in. as an attorney, this isn't information you would hesitate to give out, so don't talk around the question.
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Emeraude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:42 PM
IF YOU WANT TO AVOID BEING SUE. BUY OUR MUSIC AND STOP STEALING THEM.
WE WILL GET YOUR MONEY, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
Oh no you WILL NOT get ANY of my money "one way or another"!
You seem to be under the impression that if P2P's were to cease to exist tomorrow, everyone would just "have" to buy CD's. Like CD's are a matter of life or death! I don't know of a single person who would HAVE to buy CD's any longer to stay alive!
You need to understand that in light of the actions of the RIAA, more and more people are deciding to stop funding what is appearing to be no more than a communist orginazation!
Bottom line? The RIAA will DIE without OUR money. P2P or no P2P, the RIAA cannot force us to give them money!
This is NOT a "BUY OR DIE" situation...yet! |
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AverageConsumer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:43 PM
-RIAA-, I'm not talking about those little ineffectual spots here and there.
I'm talking about a concerted, orchestrated campaign, by every artist, using the exact rhetoric spouted by the RIAA and some of you who post here. I want them to call the American public a bunch of criminals and thieves on camera.
I want to hear it straight, on all the national media, not "in private" as mroop has said.
Oh, you don't need to shout, we can read your posts just fine. Thanks for your support, be well. |
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Emeraude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:43 PM
My post is for the character who refers to himself as RIAA, about a post he made a ways up on this page. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:44 PM
HAVE YOU NOTICE. WE ARE BEING CALLED NAMES THAT EVEN MY FART SOUNDS MORE POLITE.
Yes, I did notice that.
"OK, fair enough. I want to see loads and loads of public service announcements, by each and every artist, denouncing file sharing, and calling all those who download "despicable criminals"."
Let me tell you, they call you a lot worse than that. But most of them will not say it in public because they want you to like them and be seen as "cool". Look at what happened to Lars. He had the balls to stand up and say "Don't steal my music." And what did you downloaders do? You attacked him like rabid animals just because he wanted to protect his own work! You have no respect for someone elses work and the artists know what you will say about them - they are afraid to alienate you. So they use the RIAA to do their dirty work for them. What - you think they want you giving away their creations for free? They have wives, children, parents, road crews, etc. to support. They want to make a living just like you.
Do you work for free? Do you give away your paycheck every week? I don't think so! |
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:46 PM
-RIAA- : "JUST REMEMBER TO CRY ME A RIVER WHEN WE BRING THOSE LAWSUITS TO YOUR DOOR STEPS. WE'LL GET OUR MONEY FROM YOU THEFTS SOONER OR LATER. HAHA"
The funny thing about that, is no you won't. HAHA. And shouldn't you be in school? HAHA. So you like Justin Timberlake? HAHA. I think he's dreamy, and boy can he dance! HAHA
- Now, you bore me. HAHA. Be gone, or I will tell your mommies.HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA
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brianmcneil
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:48 PM
However I couldn't buy a mercedes with my paycheck every week. |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:49 PM
Please. The only "balls" Mr. Ulrich has, are atop his tongue, dangling from the crotch of the empire that owns him. He certainly was grateful for the notoriety his band received due to the large exchange of bootleg tapes, decades ago. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:49 PM
"second, your producer and songwriter can blow me. I write my own music and I don't need a producer."
Frank Sinatra didn't write his own songs. Ella Fitzgerald didn't write her own songs. None of the Motown artists wrote their own songs. Please let me know on the day that you are as talented as any of these artists. :) |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:50 PM
brian, that's beside the point.
'theft' is theft. however, the point that's struggling to be made clear here is that 90% of file sharers are the same people who purchase CDs. of course, if you think the CD is an utter pile of crap, you're not going to spend 20 dollars on it. is that a crime? no.
i'm still waiting on your info, mroop. |
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Emeraude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:51 PM
-RIAA-
You can't squeeze blood from a turnip!
If the RIAA succeeds in sueing many of it's own customers, how many of them do you believe will ever be a customer of theirs again?! |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:52 PM
I believe that our resident attorney is "googling" some more legalese to throw at us. Give him/her a moment. |
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W-B
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:53 PM
To 'John316' about Dan Abrams: Never mind him, what's his dad Floyd Abrams' position on the RIAA's jackbooted street-thug tactics? After all, he helped Al Franken beat back Fox News' trademark-infringement lawsuit against him . . . or do the poor have no rights in his view?
But it isn't just Dan Abrams, practically everybody in the media is guilty of this one-sided bias. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:55 PM
"btw, if you're an attorney, i'd be interested to know your name and the state you practice in. as an attorney, this isn't information you would hesitate to give out, so don't talk around the question."
Excuse me?
First, you people are giving out the RIAA's 1-800 number and recommending that you call them and harass them and drive up their phone bills. You are unable to act like adults. You think I'm going to give out my personal information so you can call me and harass me and act like babies?
Second, do you think I care if you believe I am a lawyer or not? I know what I am. The legal information I gave you today should be enough to demonstrate that I am an attorney. If not, believe what you want. I have nothing to prove. :) |
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tds67
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:56 PM
mrpoop: "The people are using the progams. Don't want to get sued? Don't use the program. Accept responsibility for your actions. Rob a store, get caught, pay the price."
Practice collusion and CD price-fixing, get caught, and possibly get a slap on the wrist a couple of times if you are the RIAA/Record Labels. |
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Emeraude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:56 PM
mroop, if you think people are "stealing" artists work, why don't you put the word out to them and tell them to KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!! WE DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:57 PM
right - i'm not going to pretend like i didn't expect that answer.
i'd kindly ask you to show me anywhere on this board where i have condoned spamming or harassing anyone?
i was simply asking you to prove your claims, since you hold their value to be a direct result of you being an attorney - supposedly.
attorney's names and states are posted everywhere - all documents, etc.
giving yours out when no more give anyone grounds or the ability to harass you than if i had happened upon an attorney's name in a court document.
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:58 PM
"You need to understand that in light of the actions of the RIAA, more and more people are deciding to stop funding what is appearing to be no more than a communist orginazation!"
If anyone is a communist it is you file sharers who think you are entitled to someone's else property. Learn your history. Ha! |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 2:59 PM
you were simply given a chance to verify your alledged status and you're refusing - why? because you're afraid you might have a phone conversation with one of the...hmmm, how did you say it? 'morons'?
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Sonic1992
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:00 PM
Wouldn't it be great if the Taliban were to target the RIAA? LOL, They wouldn't because no one would care! |
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Emeraude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:01 PM
mroop, It is OUR money, not yours! |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:04 PM
mrbonzo, I fear your efforts are wasted. There will be no more proof of legal education, than proof that file-sharing has lessened the income of the RIAA or its clients. It's a fabrication, constructed in the hopes of offering a facade of validity.. nothing more. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:06 PM
"i'd kindly ask you to show me anywhere on this board where i have condoned spamming or harassing anyone?"
I didn't say you did. But you are asking me to post my personal information for everyone on this board to read.
"giving yours out when no more give anyone grounds or the ability to harass you than if i had happened upon an attorney's name in a court document."
Yes, it would. With my name you or anyone else could easily get my phone number and start calling me at 4 in the morning. Why would I subject myself to that? You could call the State Bar Assocation and they would give you my office number because they are all kept on file and are given out freely - it is a matter of public record. Then you or anyone else could start harassing me at work. No thank you. |
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IFeelFree
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:06 PM
mroop:
It doesn't really matter whether or not we're a bunch if selfish children, or whether or not the music industry is corrupt and exploits artists and consumers, or whether the artists should get a real job, etc. The bottom line is this: Technology is making it easier and easier to share digital information and, short of some draconian governmental intervention, there's nothing anyone can do about it. Stop all file sharing in the U.S.? OK, we'll just download from the rest of the world that doesn't give a hoot about the RIAA. Shut down all P2P? OK, we'll just burn copies of CDs and share with our friends. (Copy protection? It's easily cracked.) Either way, the music industry is screwed. The music industry is going to change and we can only hope that copyright law is changed as well. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:07 PM
very true. |
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slackdaddybj
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:07 PM
I don't even participate in filesharing but I think the RIAA is being deceptive since they have been ripping off artists themselves for years. How will settlements be split up? What percentage of Brianna's settlement is going to actually go to artists? |
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Emeraude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:08 PM
RIAA
What if we DON'T WANT TO BUY? Are you going to hold a gun to our heads?
Music is NOT life, it is really only noise. |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:08 PM
"FEAR OF GETTING CAUGHT IS SPREADING AND EVENTUALLY OUR GOAL WILL BE ACHIEVED."
My, isn't THAT an interesting concept. Vaguely familiar, to those of us that DID learn our history..
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:08 PM
I hereby offer 1000 dollars to anyone who can prove that any legal information I gave out is incorrect. Everything I say regarding legal matters is true and correct. Money is payable by Paypal direct to your account, so get to work. :) |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:09 PM
or we could call the state bar association and found out that you're nothing more than a bafoon with too much time on his hands.
either way, you're screwed, right?
don't worry - i understand.
how about at least the state you practice in? come on, you've got several to choose from. |
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justed
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:09 PM
mroop (Date: September 10, 2003 @ 1:53 PM):
[Question: Do you expect us to believe that ‘you’ represent the ‘artists’ when we think you represent the music industry cabal that acts through the RIAA?
Talk to some RIAA artists in private and see what they think of you. Hint - they don't like you stealing their music.]
NOTE: You haven’t answered my question (“Now I am starting to understand you people a little bit. You are so filled with misinformation and ignorance that is is amazing!”) Do you represent the RIAA?
Supplemental: Legally the RIAA is distinctly separate from the ‘artists’ and you do not represent them (the ‘artists’), correct?
[Question: Do you personally believe that defense of (self-evidently) flawed copyright law is upholding your responsibilities as a lawyer?
The law is the law. You don't like it? Lobby Congress. You don't have the right to break the law just because you don't like it. That's called anarchy.]
NOTE: You haven’t answered my question. (I didn’t ask for your ‘advice’).
Supplemental: Do you personally believe that defense of (self-evidently) flawed copyright law is upholding your responsibilities as a lawyer?
[Question: Do you personally not see the far-reaching consequences of any ‘success’ your willingness to support the ‘music industries’ actions will have?
Yes I do. Drive file sharing underground. Offer music for download at a far price. Simple as that.]
And, lastly (thanking you for your time and attention to this matter): Is that the limit of your personal ability to foresee?
Supplemental: Are you comfortable with your limited abilities? How do you handle the embarrassment? Do you look forward to the world you are creating? Do you expect to be in some privileged position? While all the rest of us our captive to the perpetual penury of eternal copyright?
Disclaimer: I make no claims about my own abilities (sic) but merely add: I try to do better and suffer my frailties in the meantime.
justed
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:10 PM
Correct or incorrect is not the debate. The legitimacy of the source is the question. |
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azburner
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:14 PM
Dream on!If you shut the internet off today, record companys would still lose money.. The people are sick of the price gouging they have been doing for years now. I for one will never buy it again, I'll just listen to Radio from now on .And I'm sure I'm not the only one:( |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:14 PM
1000 to anyone who can determine whether google's search feature is an adequate alternative to an actual attorney.
hmmm.
mroop, the only attorney who doesn't go by a name. someone might call him at 4 in the morning if they knew it. |
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Sonic1992
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:16 PM
Folks, why even argue with that stupid RIAA and mroop? The most likely don't care about music anyway, They're most likey rich fags, (just like the same 'ol rich kids you knew in school who had new cars etc) and money is no object to them. They are just having fun sturring us up. Just because they have no life doesn't mean we have to follow. Just keep downloading and buying ONLY Used CD's and let your friends make copies and share with your family. They will loose in the end. Be paitent and see. |
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brianmcneil
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:17 PM
mroop what kind of lawyer are you?
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:17 PM
mroop: "Frank Sinatra didn't write his own songs. Ella Fitzgerald didn't write her own songs. None of the Motown artists wrote their own songs. Please let me know on the day that you are as talented as any of these artists. :)"
mroop, you really are an idiot. Read what you wrote. You just rambled on how none of these people wrote their own songs and then you speak of their talent. Brilliant. You are a special person. So, to let you know, I am FAR more talented than these people. I can play any Instrument, write my OWN songs, sing, and I am not dead. And that's just my musical talents. So I think I got em beat on the talent part. So now you know. Your welcome. And would you like to buy one of my albums. For you, $2000 per song, remember I wrote them myself :) |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:17 PM
oh, mrbonzo, you do kill. The truth will always out. Or at least, the fear of the truth getting out. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:18 PM
No doubt about that, Sonic. I just find it equally amusing that the details of what was used to show someone's validity are now being kept so secret. |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:20 PM
Sonic is right. This "going-nowhere" debate(I use the term in it's broadest possible sense)is quickly becoming tiring. "I'm not really an attorney, but I play one on discussion boards" |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:20 PM
'musical talent' is an opinion, anyway -any attorney would know that a statement like that is useless in any arguement.
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firethunder
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:24 PM
One claims to represent the RIAA, and types in all caps.
The other claims to be a lawyer who evidently doesn't have any ambulances to chase because he's been on his computer all day arguing with dirty, filty pirates. A lawyer who claims that we cannot act like adults, but insulted everybody he possibly could when posting.
Hey folks, how should we deal with two heat-seeking trolls? Other than an IP ban, of course. :)
Ignore the morons. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:24 PM
Wow. You people are strange. Is this site so full of losers that you can't comprehend that an attorney would bother to post here? Like I said, it doesn't matter to me if you believe I'm an attorney or not. Is it such a big deal to be an attorney to you people? Hilarious!
"mroop, the only attorney who doesn't go by a name."
I have a name, but I am anonymous on this board. I practice in New Jersey. Does that make you feel better? I can't imagine why it would.
"Correct or incorrect is not the debate. The legitimacy of the source is the question."
I disagree, the correctness of the information I give out is the real issue. My challenge stands - if you don't believe the information I give out then you are free to prove me wrong. No one has even tried to do that yet. I wonder why? |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:24 PM
Let this be a lesson to you folks. If your attorney wastes time that he should be spending working on your case, it might be a good idea to represent yourself in court. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:27 PM
No, the site is not filled with losers. However, it apparently is becoming more and more loser-accessible. |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:28 PM
No, mroop, that's called skirting the issue. Nobody has tried to prove you wrong, because that's an issue that YOU introduced to the discussion, to avoid revelation of your identity. Your "challenge" isn't on trial, your integrity is. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:29 PM
"mroop what kind of lawyer are you?"
I am not an IP attorney, although I know enough about IP law to correct the misinformation on this board. When I practiced I was a GP. Now I keep my license active, but I do not practice unless I am helping out a friend or relative. I started my own business in the health care field and that is what I do now. |
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AverageConsumer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:30 PM
mroop said,
"Let me tell you, they call you a lot worse than that. But most of them will not say it in public because they want you to like them and be seen as "cool". Look at what happened to Lars. He had the balls to stand up and say "Don't steal my music." And what did you downloaders do? You attacked him like rabid animals just because he wanted to protect his own work! You have no respect for someone elses work and the artists know what you will say about them - they are afraid to alienate you. "
Let the court of public opinion decide, then. Let them speak their mind, and let the chips fall where they may. At least now we come to the realization that the public indeed has the power to make or break an artist, like it or not. That is the price one pays for fame and a moment in the spotlight.
They want the RIAA to do their dirty work (your words). They won't have to alienate their fans, the RIAA will do it for them.
Recently, on VH-1, Lars was asked how he felt about file sharing now. Do you know what he said? I'll tell you what he said. He smiled, and said, "I don't care if people download our music, we just don't want them to do it before the album comes out." And it was said without malice, and without any invective whatsoever. Sounds a little like back pedaling to me.
By your own admission, we have the power to bring the artists' careers to a halt. And it won't even take file sharing to do it. All we have to do is stop listening to their music, and stop taking them seriously.
For the record, mroop (as if it really matters), I don't share files on the net, and I don't buy RIAA products. I think, if present statutes make it an offense to share files, then we shouldn't do it. The artists should be paid for their work, but the RIAA has gone far overboard, and their rhetoric is as offensive as some of the pop music they protect.
The rhetoric on both sides is tiresome, but the RIAA becomes a little shrill, especially when they sue 12 yr olds and 71 yr old grandparents. Even congress is asking if they're going to clean out the junior high schools next.
It stinks when you have to rely on public opinion and favor for your livelihood. The RIAA and the artists will have more chances to discover that as the boycott wears on.
We are also tired of collusion, racketeering and price gouging. |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:33 PM
That's an admirable career, mroop. I salute your intentions. |
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SkatCat
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:34 PM
Hey mroop, I'm laughing now. ha ha |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:35 PM
"Your "challenge" isn't on trial, your integrity is."
Question my integrity all you like. Ha!
"So, to let you know, I am FAR more talented than these people."
More talented than Frank and Ella? LOL! You are a legend in your own mind. |
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Emeraude
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:35 PM
RIAA and mroop,
IT'S MY MONEY, AND YOU AREN'T EVER GETTING ANY OF IT, EVER! |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:37 PM
AverageConsumer, why waste valuable and intelligent expression on someone who obviously has no concept of maturity or what this situation is about?
mroop has proven to be nothing more than someone who finds pleasure in obtaining a rise from someone, even when it requires they spend the whole day on the internet - undoubtedly defended now by his claims of, in addition to being an attorney, also being a business owner.
What's next, mroop? Your wordly success seems to rise as quickly as your contradictions. |
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:37 PM
Yes, we all know that fame equates talent. That's why Cher and Madonna are so widely known. |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:38 PM
I'm not sure why this discussion has turned to my personal qualifications, but now I'm bored. Have a nice day! |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:40 PM
"More talented than Frank and Ella? LOL! You are a legend in your own mind."
What are you basing 'talent' on, mr. attorney?
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:41 PM
Ooops - someone's mom must have come home. Cya the next time you decide to skip school, mroop.
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cholera
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:43 PM
Indeed. It's a shame we couldn't keep his attention for longer. I was curious how many feet could actually fit into the human mouth. |
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AverageConsumer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:46 PM
Eh, it's a slow day, we should thank them for the entertainment.
LOL |
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f-the-riaa
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:46 PM
I paid my royalties to the RIAA on my cd burner and blank discs so I full and complete legal right to copy ( pirate ) and music that is produced by the RIAA, and it's members. I will not copy or pirate Indies music without giving the artist fair market value for their works. |
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the1deadpoet
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:46 PM
Mroop, Me along with other people on this board will continue our plight against the RIAA. If you don't like it, more power to you. We will NEVER cave into the RIAA or the will of parasitic lawyers and attorneys. |
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azburner
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:48 PM
Hey RIAA poster. you have been REMOVED ! What a drag dude! |
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justed
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:53 PM
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:55 PM
"Why do they not go after Columbia House or BMG or the other CD clubs THAT DON"T PAY ROYALTIES TO THE ARTISTS! "
For a real musician you are pretty damn ignorant. The RIAA represents Columbia House and BMG and a bunch of other record companies. That would be like me suing me. Lol. Next, record clubs do pay royalties at a reduced rate per the contract.
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:08 PM
I hereby offer 1000 dollars to anyone who can prove that any legal information I gave out is incorrect. Everything I say regarding legal matters is true and correct. Money is payable by Paypal direct to your account, so get to work. :)
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:09 PM
NOTE: You haven’t answered my question (“Now I am starting to understand you people a little bit. You are so filled with misinformation and ignorance that is is amazing!”) Do you represent the RIAA?
Supplemental: Legally the RIAA is distinctly separate from the ‘artists’ and you do not represent them (the ‘artists’), correct?
mroop: SEND THE MONEY TO: EEF org (in my name).
Thank you.
justed
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ezekieljones
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 4:00 PM
mroop,
Are you a corporate stooge?
People are pissed off not because they don't want to pay artists; they are pissed off because the record companies are a bunch of pimps.
For years, they completely controlled the means of distributing music and hugely inflated prices. Most artists only get around a $1 of a $16 CD.
Further most pop music is crap because many record execs chose to push crap.
Napster, KaZaa and others came along and changed the means of distribution. Consequently they major labels lost some control and are now trying to get it back by intimidating 12 year olds like the little bitch pimps that they are.
Record execs are not artists. If artists could make $0.10 per song directly they would be getting much more than from the record companies.
This is a battle to remove the corporate stooge laywers and the record execs from controlling music.
I listen to almost no music produced by SONY, Bertlesman, Vivendi, EMI and others ... from now on I will never buy a new CD from them again.
Even if i like an artist I won't buy a new CD from that artist if its produced by a major label.
Hopefully, both consumers and artists will learn to cut out the pimps.
Which, of course, means they won't have the money to hire overpriced laywers like you. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 4:01 PM
HAHA - by far the most ideal way to end this discussion.
Shall be interesting to see mroop's response, should he ever muster up the courage to provide one.
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UmakeBabyJes...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 4:03 PM
mroop: More talented than Frank and Ella? LOL! You are a legend in your own mind"
Funny thing about that, Frank and Ella suck massive moose balls. I hate em both, to no end. I really do. But that is just my opinion. "OPINION" You asked of talent, after YOU, TELLING me, that they don't write their own songs. Seems like they are leeches to me, I guess that's a talent. One that I don't have. You got me. Bravo. I am done with you. You are a waste of time. Your mom must be so disappointed, or mabey, she's as dumb as you are. I don't know. But you are dumb. With that said, I bid you farewell, and know, you are dumb. Bye Bye. I will be laughing at you posts, cause dumb is funny. |
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mr2560
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 4:22 PM
1.It's "time to pay the piper"
2.RIAA will buy the world for a song
(and the souls of children)
3.That's why it's called the Devil's Music!
Half of the people in the world are below average.
The other half can write, perform, record, and sell music all by themselves.
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JaeMe
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 4:49 PM
hey jays,
I agree with your posting. Most of us who download are average hardworking americans that still buy the things we like when the price is right. RIAA is only biting the hand that feeds them. The RIAA can sue till there face turns blue but they won't get a dime out of me because I don't have any money or assets. Tells you how much I benefit from downloading music,hehe. I don't feel sorry for those rich SOB's and their decline in CD sales. They complain that there sales have been dropping in the last three years but have they realized that the economy has been crappy the last three years and that they are not the only industry loosing money. There are alot of companies that have lost profits and had to lay-off workers. Maybe the music industry is loosing money because people can barely afford to put food on the table let alone buy unnessecary things like CDs. I was layed-off from Gateway Computers two years ago and have been struggling ever since to rebuild my credit that was damage from me not paying my bills ontime due to being out of work for a while.
So Boo Hoo RIAA. Join the many companies that also have been loosing money in the last three years. The whole damn country is being affected by the economy so GET OVER IT!!!
JaeMe |
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Emenius
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:11 PM
Suprisingly, news of the settlement even made it into my local paper. Time for me to write an editorial :) |
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hawk7771
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:11 PM
mroop what about this law?
Subchapter D — Prohibition on Certain Infringement Actions, Remedies, and Arbitration
§ 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings |
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safarikat
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:16 PM
ok, heres one for ya
Did anyone watch any of the music award shows last year? If I remember correctly a bunch of winners thanked the downloaders too! Some music artists also stated that they themselves have downloaded music. So if they are doing it then and thanking us for it then why are people being sued for it? |
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hawk7771
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:18 PM
that what my putter is. and who gave them permission to copy a hard drive not me said the owl. that comes under the computer abuse act or net.just because it there doesn't give them the right to copy hard drives it the sam as a web site you must get permission first.
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Spica
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:24 PM
I share 205 gigabytes of data, mostly movies and music. I do so to drive the RIAA out of business, including all the personnel affiliated with the RIAA.
I do not care, and have never cared about people calling what I do "stealing", simply because all those people are useless to society.
Making people pay for information is simply coercion and robbery, since information is neither a product nor a service, and is thus free.
But I would like to direct your attention again to my economic analysis of the issue:
Probability of getting caught:
P=2,000/60,000,000 = 0.0033%
Average settlement:
A=$10,000.00
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Expected net loss:
L = P*A = $0.33
COST OF ONE SINGLE CHEAPEST CD:
C=$12.00
So the _dominant streategy_ for getting music is and will always be downloading it fore free.
What do you RIAA trolls have to say to that?
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napstersghost
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:32 PM
Everyone knows you're a RIAA member mroop paid to bitch and whine about how you're sad little company won't be around any more. How about taking the time to get a real job? |
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napstersghost
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:32 PM
Everyone knows you're a RIAA member mroop paid to bitch and whine about how your sad little company won't be around any more. How about taking the time to get a real job? |
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safarikat
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:33 PM
I dont understand how a murder can get away with murder when an officer breaks into his house to collect evidence without permission. But, the RIAA can get away with suing us because they break into our computers. |
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fmlbullridr
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:46 PM
This may be off-subject a bit, but people keep saying "stop hurting the artists". If anyone can prove to me that everytime I download a Lefty Frizzel, Elvis Presley, etc. song, they turn over in their grave, I'll kiss your ass. This isn't about the artists. |
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the1deadpoet
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:50 PM
Invasion of privacy I tell you, this has to be stopped. Rage against the machine.
Get up, Stand up, Stand up for your Right. |
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RIAABoycott
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:50 PM
Mwahahah A new follower for yes...BUT to other matters
Me: 60,153 Files
RIAA And others: 0$ |
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RIAABoycott
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:50 PM
Mwahahah A new follower for yes...BUT to other matters
Me: 60.153 Files
RIAA And others: 0$ |
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Angelodemortis
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 5:58 PM
Any way if the RIAA are concidering sutting false music files on file sharing programs, which will delete any file with an .mp3 file name.
Well how on earth am i supposed to aquire music for my mp3 player? oh wait i forgot cd's do not have mp3 files on them so thats nowan expensive waste of money....... |
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bulkeraser
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:07 PM
People, have you ever seen a child who, because of their small size, shouted objectionable things really loudly so people would notice them?
Well, these kids get older, but still
do the same things. They are called "provocateurs". Know what drives them crazy. Put them on TOTAL ignore. Let 'em talk to themselves.
They get too over the top, and their postings will just go "poof" and disappear. You play into their small, childlike hands when you answer them.
Just let them talk to themselves.
-bulkeraser |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:10 PM
Do you peeps send money directly to the artist after you steal their music off the internet?
I DIDN'T THINK SO!
Let's face facts. You don't want to pay for music. You think you are entitled to free music just because you can steal it.
HOW MANY OF YOU WORK FOR FREE?
ANSWER: NONE!
That means you are HYPOCRITES!
End of story! |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:13 PM
"Invasion of privacy I tell you, this has to be stopped."
Another ersatz lawyer talking out his ass. Read the statute and tell me how busting your thieving ass consitutes invasion of privacy. :sigh: |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:18 PM
"I dont understand how a murder can get away with murder when an officer breaks into his house to collect evidence without permission. But, the RIAA can get away with suing us because they break into our computers."
Well then I will explain it to you. The police breaking into your house violates the 4th Amendment. Any evidence seized cannot be introduced into court. With no evidence the police cannot prosecute.
In contrast, the RIAA is not "breaking into" your computer. You are opening your computer when you log on to a file sharing service. You open your computer to everyone else who is logged on. So if the RIAA happens to look into your computer, why are you surprised? YOU OPENED YOUR COMPUTER YOU DUMMY!
Do you understand? Because you are probably a student I will not charge you for the free legal advice. Your welcome!
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:20 PM
"Everyone knows you're a RIAA member mroop paid to bitch and whine about how your sad little company won't be around any more. How about taking the time to get a real job?"
Me bitch and whine? It seems to me that this entire web site is here so you all can bitch and whine how you are being treated unfairly. "Waah, waah, I want free music!"
Wake up and smell the coffee! The free ride is over! |
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NiteRider52
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:25 PM
"well aparently you are a nazi... idiot"
What are you 12 years old? Don't you have someone to beat up on the playground?
I thought that was the RIAAlibans job. |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:26 PM
mroop, you say you are from NJ? Well, according to your IP addy...you aren't even close. hmmmmmm.....
Oh...while you were on the Net, I took a peek at your puter....no offense. |
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DWEXK
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:29 PM
I am fourteen years old and I am totally disgusted and appalled by the efforts of the RIAA to sue a TWELVE YEAR OLD. She needed that money for college, and I certainly doubt that the RIAA deserves it. Life is unbelieveable. If I had that girl's address, I'd send her money for what she needs. |
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wlfhcommishjava
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:31 PM
for the riaa shits like mroop.
i hope the riaa sees how utterly disgusted we are of you people financially raping a little girl because they like to hear a theme song to there favorite tv show or a grandpa that wants to hear a song he likes. i would say have you no shame, but you have no shame. Most of america is concerned about the next terroristic act that Osama will carry out, we the people don't need the worry of lawyers comming after the people as well. go sue osama too, im sure he downloaded a few songs off the arabic version of kazaa. maybe you can sue sadaam hussein as well. im sure hes used kazaa as well.
We will not buy the music, we will not support your artists that supports suing little girls and grandpas that downloads music. i know you are morally bankrupt, mentally bankrupt, and about to be financially bankrupt after this is all said and done with. |
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NiteRider52
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:34 PM
People no matter what the RIAA misfit has to say,no one here will buy his argument or their(RIAA) product. So just laugh him or them off as a joke and Boycott.!!!! |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:35 PM
"Oh...while you were on the Net, I took a peek at your puter....no offense."
That's a good one. Crying about your privacy while you invade people's computers. Like I said: HYPOCRITES! Thank you for proving my point. :)
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:36 PM
And if I am not in New Jersey, then please tell me where I am. Sounds like you need to brush up on your skills. :) |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:37 PM
mroop
Your very welcome......oh.by the way,....I left you a little surprise. |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:38 PM
Be back later,
gonna download a couple hundred more mp3's. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:39 PM
mroop, just curious when you're going to honor your claim of sending the 1000? if you'll read up, your advise was found to be invalid.
"Your welcome!"
sounds like you need to brush up on your skills there, mr. lawyer/businessman. |
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ravenance
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:41 PM
Here is my 2cents on this whole thing. Generally good artist's the ones who people actually want to download are yes living in royalty. IE: JaRule; Metallica; etc. They have plenty of money, why? Because people buy their cd's buy their merchandise, goto concerts etc.
Understandable it is a job, but do they need it? maybe they do. And they do have the right to copyright their music. But for people like me, who download the songs before they are officially released so I can listen to it and see if I want it or not. Then go buy it, this sucks!
i support artists. If they only have one good song, then I will just keep that song. I feel that RIAA is takign this way too seriously. And this has been going on for sometime. Why now? because of the connections high speeds etc.?
The thing I DO NOT see is why sue a 12 yearold girl downlaoding nursery rhymes on a PAID version of KaZaa? At least get a person with 40 gigs of music. I am up for this donation idea, someone sohuld contact boycott-riaa.com and ask them to start it. They can be trusted and ahve the resources to give it to the girl.
Just tell me where to pay it is done.
That is my 2cents.
-ravenance |
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CriticalError
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:46 PM
IMHO, if the riaa wasn't worried about the boycott-riaa "loosers", they wouldn't be sending in trolls.
Keep it up, people. It's a long way from over. |
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NiteRider52
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:52 PM
If mroop is infact a Lawyer and may be an RIAA Lawyer, Then all I can say is " I can now fully understand why the RIAA is losing so many court battles to the P2P companies." |
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mroop
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:55 PM
Your very welcome......oh.by the way,....I left you a little surprise.
Well, I hope you did. Because I just notified my contact at the FBI. If you messed with my computer you should find an agent at your door within the next 30-60 days. Sleep tight! LOL |
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Spica
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:55 PM
hey mroop, such a small percentage of people actually get caught that I think it is more of an annoyance than a threat.
You are losing. You employer is losing. Your whole industry is losing.
I am blessed with being able to see the recording industry into their overdue grave.
And also, If you dont like working for free, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE MUSIC RECORDING BUSINESS. |
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Spica
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:59 PM
I dont make my living doing the raindance on the streets of arizona. I do not complain that people might no longer be willing to pay for a raindance.
Furthermore, I DO NOT JUST DANCE AND THEN SUE PEOPLE FOR WATCHING ME WITHOUT PAYING.
Why? Because I realize that some professions are just obsolete. Like the ones in the recording industry.
So get a life, you are NOT being useful or creative. |
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Angelodemortis
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 6:59 PM
mroop could you tell me how it is justified that the RIAA can sue for losses, when it is the artist who is loosing out, but then again record companies take around 80% of the prophit made from a cd purcace so really the consumer is not the individual who is robbing the aritsts its the RIAA, oh and as for the sueing of a 12 year old girl the concept disgusts me. (how can these people sleep at night?) |
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Spica
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:01 PM
btw, the FBI are so behind the times, I am surprised they even catch the 0.001% of the hackers out there. |
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ravenance
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:01 PM
stop with the threats! OMG this is not a child forum. Stop flaming! Who cares who started it END IT! State your opinion on the subject. State rebutles. but don't flame people!
It is ijust annoying, well your mom wears combat boots...SO? oh I am tellign the FBI...so? As long as he erased the log there is nothing to fear. but ahhhhhhhh STOP IT. You act like you are all younger than this 12 yearold girl. Maybe some are.
But just actl ike adults and have civil conversations. State points, state why you disagree with a point, just don't tear down the indivdual person!
-ravenance (end the childishness) |
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Spica
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:02 PM
As I understand, the girl has already been compensated by the Grokster people.
:D :D |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:06 PM
mroop is only further proving what has been implied all along - he's nothing but a child.
now, he has supposed contacts at the FBI. clearly oblivious to the fact that the FBI has bigger and better things than personal computer attacks. any attorney would know that things of this nature, on a small scale, are handled long after the more serious matters.
grow up, mroop. your immaturity is becoming a sheer annoyance now, as it is no longer amusing to point out your intellectual short comings. you've taken that task upon yourself.
AGAIN, however, i am still waiting on your confirmation of the promised 1000 dollars. |
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P2PUSER
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:06 PM
Hey mroop, are you a spokesman for the RIAA? I suppose your right and 60 million file sharers are wrong you arrogant ass. The fact is since the RIAA can't sue networks like Kazaa they figure they will go after the little guy, average joes without the financial means to defend themselves. It's despicable and reprehensible. Sueing 12 year olds. The corporations like RIAA and Kazaa for that matter are ruining this country. |
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wlfhcommishjava
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:08 PM
people i know these riaa shits pisses us off.
but lets not lose site of the fact, if they are in fact trolls from the riaa then we need to use them to our advantage.
instead of having an intellectual argument with these jackoffs, lets send them a message, since they may be relaying the posts anyway. every message from here on out should be a message on how we hate the riaa, and how we are disgusted with them.
hear that mroop, we hate what your crime organization are doing to the fans and more importantly the artist you rape. you exploit children on a daily basis with your vile music the same music that debases men, women, minorites, children, teen agers. you people should be in jail for what you have done to the children and teens in the industry. my disgust understates how i feel about your crime organization. you must feel real proud of yourselves that you can sue a innocent little girl for downloading a nursury rhyme. how do you people sleep, knowing you forever damaged a little girl. just be glad this is the internet, because if i had a 12 y/o and you pulled this stunt with me, well be glad its just the internet. where i come from, the lone star state of texas, we don't put up with ass clowns like you.
however, my anger doesnt stop with you, you filthy scum from the riaa.
i am the angry white male, ive put down my sports, and pornography.
and for the posters on this site, i know you are as angry as I, we are the awakened giant. hell hath no fury like an awakened giant.
boycott, protest, let them know our outrage, make them understand that we will not tolerate this. we have the power, its time we used it.
ive protested, ive boycotted, and i have let them know of my anger. have you? |
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th3d3ath2k4
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:11 PM
about the fake mp3 file that will delete all your mp3 files on your pc, that shouldnt be allowed, as some of my games use .mp3 files, such as vice city, and rpg maker 2k3. that could potentially damage my games. |
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:14 PM
mroop is no more associated with the RIAA than we are. he's simply someone who gets his kicks from starting internet drama. take a look at his transformation. it's all documented in this post. first, he was a big name attorney, then a business owner, and now an FBI insider. through all of this BS, we've seen his intellect drop. now, his ramblings consist of nothing more than childish insults and the repeated denial of his 'promise' to send 1000 to anyone who squashed one of his 'legal' claims. |
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ravenance
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:17 PM
Why would a lawyer for the RIAA be on this comment page anyway? Don't they have people to sue, documents to prepare?
I honestly think he is full of crap. Maybe he took a couple classes in law school. But to be a lawyer this imature...impossible.
My 2cents on mroop! |
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RingdemBells
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:27 PM
Gee, that was fast! Can't say I blame them, though.
If you scarethreaten someone into giving you $2000 bucks, isn't that a little like, oh, I don't know...robbery or something? Perhaps extortion?
Since this is an interstate thing, couldn't the FBI arrest the RIAA for using mob tactics? |
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AlfonsoD
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:39 PM
After reading the posts I must admit mroop, has no idea. This site is not about downloading copyrighted files. This site is about boycotting the riaa for the tactis they use. The false acusations they make and they're lack of respect for the people they falsly accuse. But from your post you are inline with their train of thought as you have attacked many posts without knowing the history of their previous post. |
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DevilDoll69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:39 PM
i just think it's appalling that an industry would feed on the very source of its survival. how is that beneficial to their longevity? apprently taking money from a baby is a way to supplement their lessening revenues. death to the riaa. |
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AlfonsoD
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:40 PM
Two words; HUMAN DECENCY |
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DevilDoll69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:43 PM
,,,and that's something the riaa lacks. |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:44 PM
the RIAA is soley based on greed, plain and simple, they get money from suing downloading program makers, but they want more so they get up on the downloader's cases, well if they are gonna stop this they have got a HELL of alot of work to do |
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DevilDoll69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:49 PM
we know they'll never take the blame for putting out the crap that's out there now. i'm not going to give you $17 for a cd with only one or two (if i'm lucky) good songs on it. i know it's been said a thousand times before, but if the songs that were put on cd's were all quality songs, and not just filler for the two or three "hits", i'm sure things would be different as well. |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:54 PM
thats exactly what i said to a guy earlier, he was a lawyer and he was all up in my business sticking up for RIAA |
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AlfonsoD
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 7:58 PM
mroop is most likely a plant to cause loss of emotional control and restraint. Fowl language and violence are what they need to discredit our cause, and this site. I will never buy a product of any of the riaa companies even after the riaa falls and is dicredited for their tactics, because these are the money behind the riaa.
BOYCOTT VOTE |
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Rheanun
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 8:16 PM
You know that show Cribs on MTV?? Who do you usually see on those shows? Musicians, is that correct?? They sure as hell don't look like they are hurting because there are some of us downloading their music. I don't see many of them filing for bankruptcy or looking for donations out on the streets to feed themselves.
I personally would love to see every musician that is supporting what the RIAA is doing go face to face with that 12 year old girl and anyone else that is getting slapped with a suit and call them a thief. I want that on tv also. These musicians crave so much attention so it would be awesome for all of them.
By the way, we are not the only people out here with computers. I am sure that most Celebs/Musicians/Tv actors etc... have at least one MP3 on their computers. Just something to ponder. |
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riaa-killer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 8:25 PM
I'm a first-timer here, and I've heard of the riaa's monopololistic bullshit I had to put up with, like suing the webmaster of a eminem fansite, and the website didn't have a single goddamn mp3 on it! But I read this article here and that's when I was pissed off to the limit. Those corporate whores can sue the shit out of you for humming the "happy birthday" song while letting the crappy pop singers rip off what used to be good songs.
And to mroop, you really don't have any knowledge about this, don't you? I never even heard of someone who had the balls to defend the corporate nazis that rapes 12-year-old girls in the asshole. A 12-YEAR-OLD GIRL. Wake up faggot! and get your dad's cock out of your ass, pull your's out of your sister, and face reality. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. And by the way, here's a quarter, buy a clue dickhead. |
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musicwantsto...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 8:26 PM
This story made it to Yahoo News. Check out http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1509&ncid=738&e=6&u=/afp/20030910/tc_afp/us_internet_music if you want to read it. |
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riaa-killer
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 8:30 PM
but I really admire your work, mroop, you've really given us some good laughs. Switching identities three times in a forum? Pfft. I could've laughed my ass off your stupid bullshit. Keep it up, mroop, I really need the laughs. |
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DevilDoll69
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 8:31 PM
...yeah, it's got to suck to have only five bentleys and only one humvee. the poor deprived darlings. only one bottle of cristal in the fridge? sucks to be them, huh? |
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alcoholicskunk
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:24 PM
This is the best news I've heard conserning the riaa in a long time.. I'm sure it will show the world how nolble there cause is going after 12 year olds... fucking cock suckers |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:52 PM
i actually enjoyed arguing with mroop |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 9:53 PM
almost as much as i enjoy downloading free music =D |
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MaxxBlaster
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:19 PM
mroop,
me; 12 year old girl, i go online i see an ad for kazaa or whatever it says download mp3s for free only 29.99
sounds good sounds legit,i do it. 6 months later a lawsuit hits me out of nowhere. Sounds Pretty crappy. how do you sleep at night? Seriously???
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RadicalLulu
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:38 PM
The RIAA should die. THey are going to end up like Britain losing India to the Hindi people who fought for their freedom, just as we fellow americans who use file-sharing as a cheaper way to get music. We use our hard-earned tax dollars to buy a CD that we've been saving up for months(ex: teens and children who get their $ from their parents little by litte) , only to find that there's only ONE song on it that's decent! |
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mtekk
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 10:58 PM
Briana was a idot, she fell for the KaZaA trap, and got what she deserved, it's true, KaZaA isn't Safe FOR ANYONE anymore. Anayways, what right does the RIAA have to take a minor to court? Oh but the fun doesn't stop there, now The RIAA is really trying to F' them selves over. If they "Try" to sue me, this is what will happen....
1. I won't accept their SPAM/ Junk mail from Washington.
2. I won't comply with their Bull Shlit regulations that they make up ever three seconds.
3. I will File HARRASSMENT agenst them if they send anything to me, which they will get in mor shlit, then I could ever get in.
4. I will get away scott free, except for a few hours lost for filing the harassment report, ect. Of which I would bill them 100 Brittish Pounds (I am not brittish but, their currency is worth more than the US dollar) a min., plus a hefty 1000 Euro fine for disturbing me, and a 6,000,000 USD settlement fee for the harrassment deal.
Long Live P2P, F' the RIAA |
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f-the-riaa
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:06 PM
Excuse me, but I had to download "Another one bites the dust" by Queen. downloaded about a thousand more
me: 1001 files and counting
riaa $0
Do I have $2000 worth yet? (Brianna's fine)
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mrbonzo
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:07 PM
mtekk, 12 year olds don't fall into the category of idiots when they're deceived by adults. that's one of the reasons they're classified as minors. legally, they are not considered capable of comprehending contracts, etc., which is why they can not enter into one.
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ILUVELPEES
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Date: September 10, 2003 @ 11:31 PM
I have but one comment after reading the insanity from above. If what Mr. RIAA says about 99% of the RIAA artists being broke (which I HIGHLY doubt),why are they broke? Could is be they are being ripped a new anal cavity by the record companies AND the RIAA? Nawwwwwww.....couldn't be that--has to be those dastardly downloaders!!! |
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Affinity88
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 12:53 AM
I think that people should seriously consider donating money to help cover legal costs for those that are being sued by the RIAA. Better lawyers can help build a better case against them, and gives them all a much better chance at winning their lawsuits - which is a win for us all. |
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MaxxBlaster
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 1:38 AM
Compaq Presario-499.00$
Internet access-9.99$
filesharing software 19.99$
Shoving my foot up the RIAA's Ass-Priceless |
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djpinoytrunks
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 2:17 AM
What's up with the RIAA, picking on the little kids especially, a 12-year old girl..i thought they said that they'll go against thieves of music and people who pirate music, and so far, they targetted the owner of napster, and some guy who owns audiogalaxy..now they're picking on a kid, i can't believe that..what a scumbag.
Hillary Rosen, doesn't even know what in the world is she talking about, she said that she'll do anything to knock out the music downloads...what a hypocrite, i bet the workers in the RIAA download at least 1 song....man the RIAA can't just leave it alone...celebs are getting payed well enough, and they want more...then that's just being greedy..
hahah nice quote
"shoving my foot up the RIAA's ass- priceless"
hey RIAA, why won't you just worry about yourselves and your hypocrite acts. |
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ILUVELPEES
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 2:50 AM
Right Affinity88!! Just don't hire Mroop!!! He/she'd sell you up a river!!!! |
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billow
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 3:23 AM
I feel like throwing up. That's simply disgusting.
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gftr52
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 3:55 AM
Gee, What happened to mroop? could it b e that he had to pay off his big claim of 1000 to justed ??
RE:
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:53 PM
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 12:55 PM
"Why do they not go after Columbia House or BMG or the other CD clubs THAT DON"T PAY ROYALTIES TO THE ARTISTS! "
For a real musician you are pretty damn ignorant. The RIAA represents Columbia House and BMG and a bunch of other record companies. That would be like me suing me. Lol. Next, record clubs do pay royalties at a reduced rate per the contract.
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:08 PM
I hereby offer 1000 dollars to anyone who can prove that any legal information I gave out is incorrect. Everything I say regarding legal matters is true and correct. Money is payable by Paypal direct to your account, so get to work. :)
Date: September 10, 2003 @ 3:09 PM
NOTE: You haven’t answered my question (“Now I am starting to understand you people a little bit. You are so filled with misinformation and ignorance that is is amazing!”) Do you represent the RIAA?
Supplemental: Legally the RIAA is distinctly separate from the ‘artists’ and you do not represent them (the ‘artists’), correct?
mroop: SEND THE MONEY TO: EEF org (in my name).
Thank you.
justed
justed,
I hope ya collect. Between code and you, you both make a lot of things clearer for those of us who have just joined the fight against riaa s..m.
Thanks,
Chip. |
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gftr52
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 4:18 AM
ps:mroop: what goes around, comes around.
Chip. |
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20dollarplastic
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 4:33 AM
Saying that file sharing is illegal is like saying, "down with libraries". The difference is that i don't think authors have to pay for their "cribs" or their next mercedes they want to add to their collection. If you can show me an album worth the money, i can probably show you a reciept for it. I am for pay sites, but the question is, what about taking it to your car? I listen to music in my car more then anywhere. I prefer to have a good selection of cds with me, but i might have to go out and buy the new "hard drive" systems that are coming out so i can purchase a single track instead of an album with maybe 1 or 2 good songs. I don't think that anyone is looking for handouts here, people just want to get their moneys worth. 99 cents per track is not a bad price, its about the same as buying an album that is full of good tracks. At least that way we would have the option of not blowing money on the 1 hit wonders that make up most of the industry. My only concern with pay sites is the quality, even most cds are poorly recorded. If pay sites were to be the next big thing, would the recording quality drop even more? If the RIAA expects people to purchase cds, they might want to improve the quality instead of threaten us with lawsuits.
QUALITY produces value, QUANTITIY reduces value |
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NeverAgain
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 5:53 AM
I've just now read the mroop debate...I just think it's a bit funny that he called AntiRepublican a hypocrite for saying he broke into his computer. Now, last I checked, hypocracy is contradicting one's own thoughts or actions. AntiRepublican didn't make the comment that likened gov't computer hacking to unwarranted seach and seizures...therefore he's not the hypocrite.
Maybe mroop just hasn't taken the SATs yet. Though that's a poor excuse; I'm sure most of us knew the meaning of hypocracy when we were around ten years old.
Anyway, thought I'd say that in case he comes on just to peek. Maybe the proverbial lightbulb will turn on, he'll realize he's in way over his head, and he'll go back to playing hide and seek in the yard with children his own age. He could probably use some fresh air anyway. |
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KinkyFurz
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 6:57 AM
mroop - I've read your comments with interest and I do value your views and appreciate taht you try to keep this a useful debate!
There have been a few points that where raised:
- why did the RIAA wait so long before moving on people who share music (illegally)?
- why doesn't the RIAA consider personal circumstances of the users before suing them?
- why doesn't the RIAA try to target those who are trying to re-sell the downloaded music?
- why doesn't the RIAA sue people who copy music onto tapes?
looking forward to your answers |
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ILUVELPEES
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 9:08 AM
Here's some more (although I think ncompoop is gone, he had his fun):
Why does the RIAA average 5 dollars per CD sold and the artist get pennies?
Why do the artists lose their songs to greedy corperations who sell them to the highest bidder?
Why do you come here?
The RIAA is looking for stooges like you to help in its witchhunt. You could make some real money with them. Looks like the more they sue, the more they're gonna get. It sure isn't going to artists! |
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Vladimyr
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 10:00 AM
I would just like to remind everyone that while the RIAA is the enemy here and they are doing unspeakable things to undeserving individuals, our government is allowing it to happen and go unchecked. Our government needs to share in this blame for allowing it's citizens to be attacked by big business.
-V. |
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theoutsider
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:01 AM
Right on vladimyr!!!! Congress and Bush need to get into the game!!! These people (if you cant call them that) are going after underdeserving people that just want ONE song off of a Cd and that's it... Cds are so overpriced these days, come on $15.00 for a Cd $8.00 for a tape?!?! BUSH nad or congress needs to get into the action to stop the RIAA...
-the outsider |
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tlh4me
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:40 AM
What happened to judicial process? Suing a minor for monetary damages in a civil court, are you kidding me? And what judge allowed this action to actually be filed?
At best she should have been held liable to criminal activities under juvenile court. Oh wait a minute, the problem there is the evidence is entirely circumstantial. The only evidence the RIAA has are data tranmission records allegedly relating to a particular account or rather ip account used for a particular account at the time the transmissions were conducted. They HAD no evidence the alleged copyrighted material was ever in the hands of Brianna, until she copped a settlement. Is it possible her internet account was being used by a hacker? Quite so, we all know how prolific trojans are these days and how many broadband users dont have firewalls. You cant prosecute on circumstantial evidence but you can scare a not-so-legal or tech-savvy 12 year old and her mother who live in the projects into settling to avoid untold nightmares.
And by the way, where are all the would be lawyers on the college campuses? C'mon guys fight the good fight. What better way to start a career than by taking down an abusive organization. They have victimized artists and consumers for way too long.
This industry needs an overhaul. The days of the fat cats needs to become history. Start letting the artist profit from their music and let more people enjoy it at a REASONABLE price and convenient purchasing method. But that is another rant. |
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thestrokes
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:45 AM
i listen to the music, if i like it enough, i buy the record. its that simple, paying 20 bucks for something that stays a classic is definately worth it |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:49 AM
i like this guy "thestrokes" seems to have a good head on his shoulders |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:50 AM
brennans gay |
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thestrokes
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:50 AM
thanks hkd, i like you too, possibly because we are sitting on 2 different computers on the opposite sides of this gay fellow reading my text... |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:51 AM
aka-brennan because we are in a computer lab |
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thestrokes
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:52 AM
be right back, i think the feds are knocking on my door... shouldnt have downloaded the theme to lamb chops |
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hate-kill-de...
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 11:52 AM
hahaha |
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AntiRepublican
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 12:07 PM
Theoutsider:
The last person(s) you want in this boycott are the republicans. They are all funded by corporate America and do not have consumers rights in their interest. For example: 3 million people out of work, huge deficits and money going in to bail out a president that lied among other things.
We definitely don't want Bush and his top cop, AssCrack, on this...they might think that us so-called pirates are terrorists and lock us up. Then, you won't get a day in court because the Constitution means nothing to those morons. |
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andygabe
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 1:40 PM
I'm from the UK, and I find the idea that the RIAA can sue a minor utterly diplorable. I think it's truly dissgusting what the RIAA are doing. I used to run an online radio station (through Live365.com), but no more thanks to the RIAA.
I have a question for the fake lawyer (mroop). Perhaps he could tell me why downloading free music classes as stealing. If I steal something, the person I stole it from no longer has it. If I steal your car, I have it and you do not. However, if I copy music from someone on the internet, they still have it and so do I. Now, I'm no lawyer, but even I know the law classes stealing as taking something from someone else, NOT copying it. If I were to make a clone of your car, down to every detail, by your narrow minded arguments I would have stolen your car. |
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justed
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 1:54 PM
gftr52 (Date: September 11, 2003 @ 3:55 AM – EDST)
Thank you, you are too kind. justed
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NonSequitur
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 2:18 PM
AntiRepublican- I'm a republican and I'm right there in the fight against the RIAA. Not to turn this debate or forum into one that's politically charged, but if the truth be known the economy (and job market as a whole) was in decline before Clinton left office. And let's not start with which president was\is the biggest liar....
Back to the RIAA and why we're really here. Who can remember when LP's were being phased out and CD's were on the way in? What was the rhetoric then? Something along the lines of, "CD's will only cost a buck or two more than an album, and only for a short time!" As if. What ever happened with the class-action lawsuit against the recording industry and the pricing of CD's? Anyone ever get anything out of that? What was the payout- something like 4 or 5 bucks EACH for whoever signed their name to the suit?
I've been collecting records, CD's, etc. for 35 years- I've bought and paid for the same song several times over the course of those years in various formats and media, and I'll be damned if the RIAA is going to tell me that I can't have an MP3 copy of any of those songs on my pc, regardless of who ripped it or where it was obtained.
The RIAA is fighting a losing battle, and they know it. Rather than embracing new technology when they should have, they fought it kicking and screaming. Now they don't know what to do to stop it. In the UK, the RIAA's British equivalent is "educating the people" in an attempt to thwart downloading, and are reluctant to sue those involved. In France, the government has stated that any CD that's INCAPABLE of being copied "is faulty, and the consumer is due a refund." (I think I like France a whole lot more now. ;) )
The RIAA has opened a cavernous Pandora's box with these lawsuits, and in the end they'll be paying more to clean it up than it was probably worth to them. I, for one, will never purchase another U.S. made or distributed disc. I'll urge everyone I know to do the same.
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~Fear the government that fears law-abiding firearms ownership by its citizenry.~
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ArcAngel-01
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 2:53 PM
well i say its all wrong y sue a 12 year old girl for $2000 it all f**ked up sorry but it is. I say let her and forget about it all but thats me is it
F**KING RIAA and there gredy little hands. |
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pizzariaa
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 3:30 PM
Speaking of kiddie porn, I was watching some today on TV. That's right! It's on TV now. CABLE TV! So what if it was only a pampers commercial? It was still an underage child, was it not? Or was that baby computer generated? Why isn't the RIAA suing pampers? Could it be that it isn't the kiddie porn that they are after? |
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PisstAmerican
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 3:36 PM
in Regards to mrpoop
This so called 'LAWYER' we have in the midst runnin around in here callin everyone 'Crybabies' apparently you side with those 'Crybabies' CUZ THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOIN'.. WE PAY THEIR BILLS, WE MAKE THEM WHO THEY ARE.. FOR US TO TAKE A LITTLE BACK FROM THEM.. WELL ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU 'LAWYERS' DO ANYWAY?.. go Cry your bullshit to someone else NOBODY WANTS YOUR LIES HERE! Lawyer = Professional Liar .. must be nice to get paid for it when most go down for it... TOO BAD IGNORANCE ISN'T ILLEGAL.... |
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PisstAmerican
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 3:56 PM
NEWS BULLETIN: NO MORE PORTABLE STEREOS,HOME STEREOS, BOOM BOXES etc.. WILL BE RELEASED W/CASSETTE RECORDERS OR PLAYERS.
I Wonder could this become Reality?
RIAA is bitchin' cuz people download music for free.. but every day the most popular songs are played on the Radio because if they weren't.. NOONE WOULD LISTEN TO IT.. what's to stop people from simply recording what's played on the radio? Is it because the radio stations pay your 'Whore Fee'? Are they footing the bill for all the people who are recording the music off the radio, How are you gonna stop that? Ya sure the quality might not be as good..but it's not like that can't be fixed with a simple program on the computer. "Wake up and smell the coffee! The free ride is over!" As far as I'm concerned I hope all the artists/labels pushing for this end up broke, then maybe they're realize IT'S OUR MONEY TO BEGIN WITH..that put them in the position that they are in today. Oh and mrpoop, i hope a few music artist see your comment on how they speak about their fans and SUES your ignorant ass aswell :) Have a great day :D
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mroop-eatsmy...
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 4:25 PM
"Springsteen Nets $36M in Giants Stadium"
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=529&ncid=529&e=11&u=/ap/20030911/ap_en_mu/bruce_springsteen_2
hmmm- doesn't look like "the boss" is gonna go bankrupt anytime soon from anyone downloading his stuff. maybe he can help the riaa out by donating a few of his millions. :-D
which makes me wonder why the grateful dead never cried about the multitudes of their fans who openly recorded and shared their music. oh wait- i know the answer to that one- they loved their fans and weren't slaves to the almighty dollar! they were (and are) MUSICIANS who loved to make MUSIC! whatta concept!
and hey- i dunno if anyone else has noticed the absence of such ads or articles, but i never seen any of em. have you?
"Over the past year, an unprecedented campaign by a coalition of songwriters, recording artists, music publishers, retailers, and record companies has heightened music fans' awareness of the devastating impact of illegal file sharing. A series of print and broadcast ads featuring top recording artists, as well as numerous press interviews by music industry figures, have conveyed the message that file sharing not only robs songwriters and recording artists of their livelihoods, it also undermines the future of music itself by depriving the industry of the resources it needs to find and develop new talent. In addition, it threatens the jobs of tens of thousands of less celebrated people in the music industry, from engineers and technicians to warehouse workers and record store clerks."
http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/090803.asp
interesting reading- i like all the b/s comments and crap that they have to say about people bein outta business and layed off and not havin any money because everyone's "stealing their intellectual property". wait- i have an answer! bruce springsteen just came into a shit-load of money! go ask him for some!
one other thing- if i go to a museum and look at the art hangin on a wall- paintings, photos, etc.- should i be expected to pay to simply LOOK at that stuff? i mean, if i look at it, then i might be stealing the image, right? go back home- make my own version- maybe download a copy of it offa the net and hang it on my wall so i don't haveta go to some museum to look at it.
riaa all the waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy
down the toilet |
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Pagan
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 5:55 PM
wow. you mean the record companies have found yet another way to make money from children. how inventive. |
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Spica
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 6:00 PM
If current market trends continue, the RIAA will be bankrupt by no later than 2009. |
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otech1
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Date: September 11, 2003 @ 7:00 PM
Take a Stand Against the Madness
-------- Stop the RIAA! --------
If you haven't signed the petition
take a few moments and do it now
http://www.eff.com/share/petition/
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Karmatic
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Date: October 26, 2003 @ 8:53 PM
this whole trial was shit to begin with, shes a 12 year old girl for christsake |
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mental-torture
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Date: March 15, 2004 @ 2:03 PM
i think the RIAA is a souless assosiation about taking money that they dont even need, their rich already, why demand more money? sueing 12 year old girls, thats fucked up. i think they just do this for the fun of seeing how powerfull they are. |
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the-erm
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Date: October 22, 2004 @ 1:23 AM
You know I would probably buy more music than I do. However ... Why Should I especially when they sue people like this. Every time I see an artical like This I say to myself ... why would I want to ever buy another CD or Tape from an industry that sues it's fans.
Erm |
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RosLen
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Date: February 4, 2005 @ 3:09 AM
I guess the reasoning behind suing is that music file sharing poses a threat to consumers buying CD's which is a BULLSH*T and unsubstantiated myth. Yes, there has been a decline in overall cd sales of popular music but how about placing some blame on the lack of actual talented artists in the mainstrain ...AND... the COST of cd's (who the f*ck is paying $17.99 for a shitty album?).
Secondly, if you believe that a recording artist for a major record label makes their MONEY from CD sales you are dumber than dog-sh*t. A good contract get's them what? $1..mebbe $2 per CD sold? Yeah...big bucks.
Lastly, if I dl someone's song and I like it, chances are I'll buy their album, and I live in NYC (Bootleg City)and I don't see the RIAA chomping at the bit to get at these mass bootleggers. |
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