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Kazaa plan to end free music
Sharman Networks appears to have finally crossed the line with a bid to get into bed with the Big Five record labels and the RIAA.
Kazaa backs plan that could spell an end to the days of free music, is the headline in the October 10 edition of Australia's The Age and Australia is, you'll recall, the place Kazaa calls home.
"The world's most popular song-swapping network, Kazaa, has thrown its weight behind a plan to start billing song swappers for their music downloads," says the article, by Sue Lowe.
"The proposal, which could finally end the days of the free lunch for millions of music fans, has been put to big US record labels at the same time as a new legitimate version of the former file-swapping giant Napster is launched in the US."
The idea is to phase in a billing mechanism for peer to peer networks, such as Kazaa and Morpheus, that allow users to copy music directly from each other's hard drives, she states, going on that initially, payments would be by credit card, but in the future downloads would be automatically detected and a charge added to the monthly internet service provider bill.
"Kazaa now hopes the music industry will forget past grievances and tap into the cleaned up versions of the networks that already have millions of users, rather than build their own networks from scratch," says Lowe, quoting Kazaa chief excutive Nikki Hemming as saying this would offer, "great hope for the entertainment industry".
User Comments
(These do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of this site)
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drakelord
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:03 PM
Lovely...... at least I don't use KaZaA... |
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pizzariaa
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:06 PM
Yeah, kazaa may boast that they have millions of users now but how many do they think they'll have when they start charging money? I can see a boycott-kazaa.com in the future. |
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silencethepoet
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:07 PM
as i said before, it IS a step in teh right direction. If you could keep track of what an individual person is downloading and bill them for it, at a rate of 25-50 cents per song, it would be great. However, they'd have to have some kind of mechanism to ensure people aren't downloading fake copies of songs (IE download song A and get crappy song B). However, i still beleive the RIAA needs to be re established in a completely new way, so even if this goes through, i will continue boycotting RIAA until they begin treating the artists that sign with them better. I refuse to download or buy any RIAA crap until they do this. Period. |
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compmore
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:10 PM
the problem is that all P2P systems need to comply and also what about the majority of files that are public domain? none of the artists will get a penny out of this deal. Kaza is a sell out. I'm uninstalling my Kaza lite right now. I know it's now Kaza but I don't want any part of the name
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Boo-bah-la
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:11 PM
What happened to the dissapearing story? Last night there was a story posted about giving out a reward to find the RIAA spy and now this morning, it's suddenly gone. I may loathe the RIAA, but I also loathe censorship and conspiracy...
Well... What happened to it??? |
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napstersghost
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:14 PM
I uninstalled Kazaa months ago when I found out it put spyware on my computer. Everyone else that uses it should do the same thing. Kazaa is going to follow the RIAA to the unemployment line so I don't take this story seriously. |
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compmore
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:18 PM
Boo-bah-la it's not censorship. it was getting nasty and there was over two or three hours of name calling and bickering. It didn't look good for the site. I have a feeling we will all find out later once it settles
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:26 PM
good for Kazaa.
Now for the details
I want:
1. 99%+ of my payment to go directly to the artist
2. The artist to own his/her own copyrights
3. NO spyware, adware, etc. AT ALL
4. Access to a library AT LEAST as large and diverse as what is currently available on Kazaa.
5. All of the lawsuits to stop.
6. ABSOLUTELY no more than 40 cents per song. As an album, I will pay any price $6.00 or less.
7. The creation of true & legit service will cancel the need for the DMCA or ACCOPS.
If people don't follow, then something is wrong, and the consumer *will* continue to decide. There will be those who still don't follow a true & legit service, and the resulting piracy will be neglegable. As it already is.
One more:
8. If any bands are promoted through ads, etc, indie bands will be treated fairly so that the consumer is no longer duped into thinking all that exists in music is the RIAA.
I have a question:
This will be a pay service. There are indies who do not wish to charge for their music to be downloaded. My question is this: will that music be available on Kazaa? If not, then the new Kazaa is a sham. If it is available, then we will be charged for it. It seems to me that Indie is one thing that the RIAA can't control outside of its monopoly. So will Kazaa be charging for indie? Again, if it's not on there, Kazaa will be officially the RIAA's bitch. If it is, then there must be certain songs for which there is no price to pay.
I don't buy it for a second. |
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compmore
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:30 PM
Shermanator - well said. perhaps a massive email campaign to Kaza to drive this point home |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:31 PM
P.S. - What happened to the Sharman Networks suing Kazaa?
For anybody that has been wanting to see a call to action, here's your call to action
dare I capitalize it?
CALL TO ACTION
Uninstall Kazaa, switch P2P services. Boycotting the RIAA includes boycotting their friends as well (like Kazaa).
Our Goal
Kazaa - Users: 10 Files being shared: 800mb.
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:33 PM
correction: Sharman Networks can't really sue their software. I was editing a typo =)
What happened to Sharman v. RIAA |
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compmore
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:35 PM
mines uninstalled just this second
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:39 PM
You heard it here first!
Kazaa's done here.
All of the above demands are what must be reasonably met without constituting Kazaa really "getting into bed" with the RIAA.
DOES ANYONE have any evidience ANY/SOME/ALL of them being met? Does anyone think I am out of line?
Uninstall Kazaa. |
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wet1
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:40 PM
Never had Kazaa on my machine, won't either. Kazaa, in a bid to stay online and not fight the establishment has sold out to the RIAA and their cohorts. I wait to see if the terrorist organizations will allow it. As much control as they demand to have over what you purchase and what you can do with it after you have bought will not bode well for Kazaa if they do get in bed with each other. To date, the majors have refused to deal with p2p on a legitimate basis. (Wanting all control and money for themselves.) If Kazaa manages to "go legal" you may be assured it will have little bearing to what it is today.
Being as I do not use credit cards that looks like they don't want my business to me. Nor do I like the idea of my bill being tacked on to at the provider of my isp. Give me a setup like I had with AudioGalaxy were if I want to spend the money, it can be taken directly from my checking account.
However, I refuse to pay a dollar a song for a song loaded with DMCA and in compression format. If that is what you have in mind, I predict a swarm of folks leaving Kazaa and joining other p2p programs. So get ready for the flood that comes as people abandon Kazaa for other programs.
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:40 PM
Instead of .25 a song on yer isp bill how about .50 a month for unlimited downloads/uploads which would net the music industry, get this:
$1,092,000,000 a year, or $6 a year for every American on the internet.
This "per song" crap is pointless, and will never net this kind of return. People don't want to pay per song, not en masse, they won't do it. Give 'em an invisible flat fee that they don't have to think or worry about and everyone's happy, the recording industry swims in a sea of money that they never imagined possible, the consumer pays less per year than a happy meal at mcdonalds. We don't need to pay per song, per album, none of that nonsense, it's an old paradigm, dead, useless. fifty cents a month, it's the only way to go.
You're all a great bunch, have a nice day!!!
Paul |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:46 PM
Wet1 - I also do not use credit cards and by default, my business has been lost.
"You're all a great bunch, have a nice day!!!"
Right on.
It's our job. An in maintaining our greatness, it is our duty to stop the RIAA. When P2P Services sell out, they are toast as well. |
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gdZiemann
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:46 PM
My music is on Kazaa (thanks to directive), so even if I'm not able to use their service (have a Mac), I have an issue with charging for access to my material.
As the copyright owner, if I say an inferior digital copy of my music (aka mp3 files) is free for non-commercial use, anyone who attempts to resell it in any shape, manner, form without obtaining a license is violating my copyright. |
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gdZiemann
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:48 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with paulruss |
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wet1
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:48 PM
Heck paulruss, that would be a good setup and as far as I am concerned with that type of entry fee I would be willing to pay a bit more than 50 cents a month. They could jack the price to 5 dollars a month and I would be happy with that. Think of what kind of income that would generate. Far more than the music industry sees now and would still be a good deal for everyone. |
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captdunsel
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:52 PM
Anyone remember "Brilliant Digital" or Cydoor? Those are the reasons I quit using kazaa more than a year ago. Now they want to charge to download music? You have got to be kidding me! I cannot contain my revulsion any longer.
Sharman Networks really isn't anymore honorable than the riaa, they just screw you in different ways. Up until this point they have just been a big pain the A** for the riaa which is always good so I was willing to ignore them. Now they crawl into bed with the riaa to save their own skin by hosing the consumers and the artists. I'm having a siezure here.... not much.. time... must.. puke...
Ok let me reiterate this for anyone who cares. I will not pay for reduced quality mp3s. Sell me a good quality digital recording at a fair price or give me the mp3. That's pretty simple really. I don't care to spend just as much money for an mp3 as I would for a cd quality recording. Mp3s are a good promotional tool but they are inferior and not worth paying for. I give up. If anyone asks I went underground. |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:52 PM
gdZiemann, GREAT point.
In addition to the questions I posed earlier, it appears that the RIAA, when teamed up with Kazaa no longer values copyright law in the slightest.
All of this fuss over people downloading for their own use!
Now Kazaa + RIAA (KRIAA) wants to profit from distributing (i.e.) gdZiemann's music? When he owns his own copyright??
THAT is exactly why copyright law was created in the first place! That is exactly why fines as high as $150k per song are justified. They are meant for those who profit off of other's copyrighted material.
SHAM! |
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newjon
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:54 PM
paulruss has the answer for reasonable people in a reasonable world, but sadly ... |
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Ugot2know
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:55 PM
ok ok .first at all
I NEVER GONNA PAY FOR ONE SONG IN MY LIFE AGAIN !! USING MORE THAN 2 YEARS FREE MUSIC IS ALREADY LONG ENOUGH SO THIS BASTARDS WILL NEVER GET PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ALREADY USE FILESHARING NETWORKS FOR YEARS AND FOR FREE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING.. and something more .. I should rip the music ..make it available online..loose my bandwidth and then some fucking bitch organisations like RIAA or one of this shitty record labels gets money for it ?? NO AND NEVER!! What do this bastards want ?? All of us already pay for the isp, for the line etc?? It's already expensive enough..but now they want people to charge for downloads?? NO AND NEVER.. no one should pay for downloading something on the net !! I stop using kazaa when this charge system will be introduced and I'll not share any files at all. Hope the riaa and this fucking record labels will be destroyed some day !!! And this new napster is the biggest crap that I heard..haha.. do you really think someone will pay 99 cent per song ?? I don't think so.. A flatrate like 1$ per month for unlimited clear, fast and not faked downloads is acceptable.. but really not more than 1$ per month..
SO RIAA FUCK YOU !!
Greetings from Italy |
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carla60626
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 2:55 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but what is Sharman's relationship to kazaa lite? Will using it be free? |
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Ugot2know
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:00 PM
Yeah that's something what I also want to know.. If Kazaa Lite continues to be free..everything would not be a problem..but I think if Kazaa will be no longer free they'll attack Kazaa Lite and it'll be also closed or something in this way..
Greetings from Italy |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:00 PM
Carla,
Sharman's relationship to Kazaa lite is that someone alterned the original Kazaa without Sharman's permission. One of the VERY REASONS Sharman Networks was taking the RIAA to court just a few weeks ago! |
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captdunsel
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:03 PM
carla60626
kazaa lite is basically kazaa with the spyware taken out. It really pisses off sharman networks to no end too. it should be free but as always there are unscrupulous people who will sell you anything they can get you to pay for, even if you can go next door and get it for free.
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:05 PM
It pisses off Sharman so much that they have determined that they must forget the consumer and get in bed with the RIAA to increase their profit while simultaneously selling out to the ENTIRE P2P world.
DON'T WAIT for Kazaa to start charging
UNINSTALL NOW!
Download GROKSTER instead of Kazaa.
www.grokster.com/
Download BEARSHARE instead of Kazaa.
www.bearshare.com/
Download WINMX instead of Kazaa.
www.winmx.com
Download EMULE instead of Kazaa.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/emule/
Download EDONKEY instead of Kazaa.
www.edonkey2000.com/
Download LIMEWIRE instead of Kazaa
www.limewire.com/
"As the copyright owner, if I say an inferior digital copy of my music (aka mp3 files) is free for non-commercial use, anyone who attempts to resell it in any shape, manner, form without obtaining a license is violating my copyright."
-gdziemann
"Sharman Networks really isn't anymore honorable than the riaa, they just screw you in different ways. Up until this point they have just been a big pain the A** for the riaa which is always good so I was willing to ignore them. Now they crawl into bed with the riaa to save their own skin by hosing the consumers and the artists."
-captdunsel |
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captdunsel
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:09 PM
ok, I'm irritated and I can't help myself so I have to know, after you pay kazaa and the riaa and the isp and the phone company and the king of norway and ascap and the record labels and the cdr tax (notice I didn't say anything about paying the artist) then can you burn the songs to a cd or whistle them at work without getting sued? |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:12 PM
captdunsel,
Ha. I doubt it. KRIAA will probably launch a massive DMCA subpoena campaign to subdue the whistlers.
This whole deal smells of diaRIAA. |
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captdunsel
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:13 PM
sherminator..
wow, I've never been quoted before. can I sue you for copyright infringement? :o)
sorry, I needed a laugh. |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:13 PM
So, newjon, george, being guys "in the know", how the hell do you get guys like us, the eff, basically people who have this simple plan, at a table with the RIAA and draw that billion plus dollar figure on a whiteboard and say, "let's make this work".
That's a hard number to ignore, even for the RIAA. Basically, how do we get them to respond to this simple idea of a copyright fee, and how do we persuade them to let a third party regulatory commision divvy up the copyrights (there's the rub). I've heard Bill mention that he's been in contact with members of the RIAA on and off for years now, does he still have those contacts?
I see this fee as something independent from whatever the labels make from the pay sites, they can promote that model all the want and possibly give people a better quality sound file with it (dubious), fine. But over a billion dollars of easy money is hard to ignore, definitely a better deal than spending millions on lawsuits. Do you think this bottom line would be enough to convince them to let it go? Questions, questions...
What do you all think?
Paul |
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newjon
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:15 PM
paulruss - watch this space |
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carla60626
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:16 PM
But if Sharman can't control kazaa lite, isn't using it just as much a slap in the face to them? Why can't we also encourage the use of kazaa lite? |
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newjon
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:16 PM
The Sherminator - And don't forget Filetopia - http://www.filetopia.org/home.htm |
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captdunsel
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:17 PM
paulruss,
It isn't about a proposed bottom line, it's about control. If they give up control in any form they know their goose is cooked. Others will move into the market and they will be powerless to stop it. that's why they are fighting so hard now, because they are afraid of the business model which allows for competition in their industry. |
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newjon
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:17 PM
carla - there are a lot of free-range p2p apps out there (see TheSherminator's post). Try them and see which one(s) you like : ) |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:17 PM
newjon, my bad =)
Download FILETOPIA instead of Kazaa!
http://www.filetopia.org/home.htm
captdunsel, no you may not sue me :) |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:18 PM
"and... bam!"-emiril lagasse
I will watch this space with baited breath!
Paul |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:22 PM
dunsel, I agree with that, that's why I'm approaching this with some dynicism, but, if I've learned anything in life, you open a briefcase filled with a billion dollars, it's kind of hard to say no. They might ask for more, but in doing so, are revealling a willingness to negotiate, if they do so, it would be nothing short of revolutionary.
Still, I ain't gonna hold my breath.
Respectfully,
Paul |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:23 PM
dynicism? I made a new word! Dynamic Cynicism! |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:25 PM
paulruss,
good point. It is extremely hard to say no to a billion dollars. And it appears that they won't be saying no.
Unfortunately the supplier of the billion dollars (consumers) IS saying no.
DOWN WITH KAZAA. FOR GOOD. |
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mroop
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:27 PM
"So, newjon, george, being guys "in the know", how the hell do you get guys like us, the eff, basically people who have this simple plan, at a table with the RIAA and draw that billion plus dollar figure on a whiteboard and say, "let's make this work"."
I will tell you why this will never happen: The artists.
The artists have contracts already that guarantee them money per sale. Even if the labels agreed to such a plan, they would have to get the approval of every individual artist to change their contracts.
Unless of course legislation were passed. But that would never happen. Property rights are sacrosanct in this country. Congress would never void all artist contracts. I just don't ever see that happening.
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captdunsel
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:28 PM
all new words become the property of Boycott-RIAA.com. if you use it again you have to pay royalties :o) |
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darkened03
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:28 PM
what i dont understand. how the f*ck can they charge us to USE OUR OWN BANDWIDTH??? I will use kazaa lite untill it is blocked from the FT networks, if that occurs most likely K++ will reverse engineer the pay kazaa and make it free again. If they dont, i dont use kazaa, ill use ES5 or something, if no more free music exists, oh well i have enough music to last me for a while. the riaa will never receive a penny from me in any shape or form, ever. Boycott everything they condone. |
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mroop
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:30 PM
By the way, I said from the beginning that Kazaa just wanted to make a deal. I was laughed at for making this statement. I guess I was right! Now I will add that most if not all of the file sharing services want deals with the RIAA. P2P United has already said they want to deal, so check the list of their members. |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:32 PM
Darkened -
You're probably right. And Kazaa will not end free music. I see using Kazaa lite as a slap in the face to Sharman, but I must recommend not using it.
My reasons:
1. With the formation of KRIAA, Kazaa is much more likely to prosecute users of the Kazaa Lite software. They WERE prosecuting the RIAA until they sold their souls, just like the artists.
2. Why even recognize "Kazaa" as something P2P. I would stop using Kazaa Lite out of principle until it goes by another name. No free advertising for Kazaa here. |
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goldenpi
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:33 PM
At last. About time. This is actually a good thing.
Consider. Kazaa is getting old. Its still working, but flawed. It has no firewall-resistance capacility. It supports multi-source downloads, but not very well. Cannot upload partially downloaded files. The shareing credit systems been hacked to unuseability. And its been showing signs of joining the Dark Side. There are technicly superior networks.
Now kazaa has started a process which will decimate its user base. All those ex-users arn't going to head over to the music store. They will go to google, and locate a new p2p service. All those smaller, better networks get a boost. The same thing happened with Audiogalaxy was shut down. The same thing happened even when Napster was shut down.
I will step up my campaign to ensure users get directed to the appropriate p2p services. Im not wasteing this chance. |
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mroop
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:34 PM
"what i dont understand. how the f*ck can they charge us to USE OUR OWN BANDWIDTH???"
What makes you think it is your bandwith? You pay a monthly fee for access. Read your contract. I bet your ISP reserves the right to alter the terms of the contract at the end of each period - each month. |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:41 PM
goldenpi,
None of us will waste this chance.
This is our chance to show that we are not blind. This movement is founded on extremely solid and sound principles. If the most popular file-sharing service strikes gold with the RIAA, then the boycott movement will stand its ground firmly. The RIAA and their affiliates will not suceed. They will satisfy the consumer, or the consumers will satisfy themselves.
Getting regular-file sharers to move away from Kazaa and to other services should not be difficult. I have a feeling that once Sharman uses the word "pirates" to describe their former users, they will go straight down the drain.
There is something they don't seem to understand. If a downloader is a pirate, then using the word pirate alienates EACH AND EVERY SINGLE downloader. And downloaders are 100% of their target audience.
In getting in bed with the RIAA, by affiliation we have all been called pirates by Kazaa.
There is a slew of other file sharing .
60 million file-sharers will continue to dictate 100% of what is and is not acceptable. |
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Spica
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:43 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
like yeah they own the fasttrack networks, or the morpheus networks; like they can take the networks and "clean them up".
ahahahahaha
stupid bitch from stupid greedy kazaa |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:44 PM
other file sharing services that is.
I'm out for awhile.
Too many typos.
No-more-Kazaa.
Stand behind this. If you don't use Kazaa, get other people to change. |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 3:47 PM
Hey, mroop, you bring up an interesting point, I have to wonder how that would void contracts though, I think what I'm proposing basically treats p2p as another sales avenue. An independent entity, like soundscan, tracks what songs are downloaded and distributes the normal per-purchase royalty to the artist on a monthly basis from the pool of $91 million. I don't think that would require a change in contract. I think that this issue could be resolved early on if the language is clear and some agreement can be made on determining the mechanism for royalty distribution. You obviously have some knowledge here, but don't you agree, communication is everything? If the all the issues are on the table and a mechanism is agreed on, anything is possible.
I guess I'd like to ask you to look at what you just said and think, what if? What if the issue came up? How would you negotiate a thing like this, what if it weren't impossible, only difficult. What would you propose if you really wanted something like this to work.
See, mroop, I think we can get mired down in the current realities of the situation, I've always believed that great things are accomplished when we imagine or dream up something fantastic, odd, or seemingly impossible and pursue that with optimism and tenacity. We can't give up hope based on what conventional wisdom tells us is unrealistic or impossible. There's a phrase, "nobody nevers or always's". Never to me is a quitting word, it's a stopper, it says, "don't bother, the world is flat".
I'm not holding my breath on this, but I do like to entertain the idea of "what if...".
Thanks for your input, let's have more!
Paul |
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mroop
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 4:05 PM
"An independent entity, like soundscan, tracks what songs are downloaded and distributes the normal per-purchase royalty to the artist on a monthly basis from the pool of $91 million. I don't think that would require a change in contract."
Actually, the older contracts did require negotation for online sales.
But I was addressing your idea of a flat fee and then the user can download as much as he wants. Regardless of what the RIAA labels decide to negotiate with the the ISP's, this is all moot until the artists agree with the plan, absent legislation.
"How would you negotiate a thing like this, what if it weren't impossible, only difficult. What would you propose if you really wanted something like this to work."
If I was the artist I would want to make sure I didn't get ripped off. An ISP and a record label can sit down and negotiate. But there are also thousands of artists who have a say. Can you get them to all agree on a single plan? My honest opinion is that it is literally impossible. Without legislation a flat fee plan will never happen. |
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boltbot
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 4:10 PM
Good bye Kazaa. Gnucleus works good. |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 4:26 PM
mroop, let's run with that thought, how do we bring legislation into it, because all these issues are important, and if such a thing were to be negotiated, they would come up, so let's put ourselves at that table right now and talk about how to solve each one of these problems. Would we bring in the RAC? I think it would be a great idea. I think it's interesting that you think it's literally impossible, I mean, we know from history that a lot of decisions have been made without consent by artists before over far less generous issues than this one, the whole pay-for-play controversy, things like that. Artists always find themselves fighting decisions that were made without them having any representation. Not that they shouldn't in this case, but if they didn't, I don't think it would kill the thing from happening, though I do think it would be criminal if they weren't there.
So, there's that, that's a real obstacle, granted. How about legislation? If you had to write it, how would that work? |
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johnhicks
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 4:37 PM
Someone deleted or hacked my RIAA are comunist accont. O well but kazaa is now a traitor to us. Man I will keep kazaalite for a while and see what happens. I don't really care about the MP3's on there but there is other stuff on there that is great. Kazaa is getting more and more greedy. Man this is become ver stupid. Im going to have to move one, is there any P2P's that work on 56k. Don't recomend edonkey because that does not work for me as well or overnet, or filetopia. |
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mroop
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 4:38 PM
"Not that they shouldn't in this case, but if they didn't, I don't think it would kill the thing from happening,"
It would absolutely kill it from happening. The label cannot agree to this without the consent of the artist. If they did, then the artist would sue and win. So the label won't do it because they know they would be sued and they would lose. Pay for play is something completely different. That was labels paying off DJ's to play records.
The only way the flat fee play can work is that every play is tracked. So you are paying a flat fee, but every single play by every single person is tracked. Each play is assigned what is known as a "micro payment", which is a miniscule amount like .0001 cent. This is how the artist gets paid. I don't know much about this, but I know that there are already companies working on micro-payment systems. You can try and do some research on it or maybe shoot a message to leflaw. He might be able to direct you to some resources.
The problem I see is that no one really knows how many plays will occur, so it is difficult to set the micro-payment amounts and the flat fees to the users. The ISP or the record company could end up losing money if they have to pay the artists more money in micro-payments than they take in with the flat fees. The cost of bandwidth to the ISP could exceed the amount they charge for access. These are issues that need to be addressed. |
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boycotter
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 5:04 PM
Like I said I ain't paying for no POS mp3 file! They can stick it where the sun doesn't shine! It's a RIP-OFF all the way around. It's okay if you don't have the space on your computer but don't buy something that isn't even worth 1 cent. |
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RedB3ARD
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 5:39 PM
Just a question amongst the debate here...
I'd be interested to hear what the opinion of you people is on Kazaa Lite - K++ edition in the face of these developments. Is it a viable option with its improvements, or is it still evil because it's still Kazaa? |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 5:42 PM
thanks for the info, mroop. Let's try to address them here, the more we know the more we can look at all the issues surrounding every idea on making p2p profitable to artists.
I'm sorry, I meant "work for hire" as an example of how artists are often never involved in decisions regarding how they get paid, or how contracts are written and re-written. I'm assuming that groups like the RAC exist because artists so seldom do have a position to actually have consent on any issue involving them. I really ought to look into it more, though.
So, while I do that, if there are any ideas you may have on how to solve these issues, that would be great.
Thanks,
Paul
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Critical-Thi...
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 5:43 PM
Wait, so am I getting this straight? If I rip a song from a CD I bought and allow others to download it, the RIAA wants to charge a fee?
THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO EARN THAT MONEY! I paid for the CD. I spend the time and resources ripping it. And whoever downloads it is using their own connection and their own equipment.
Not to mention the blank-media tax which the RIAA makes money off of. So every time you burn a CD, you have actually already paid the RIAA's 'piracy tax.
The RIAA is a cornered animal and it's desparately striking at everything that comes near it. |
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koemoejoe
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 5:45 PM
see what kazaa wants to do is bye-pass getting you to ok this charge thats the plane stan with this bill the ISP deal and the DMCA thay will be able to go around your rights once agin and we will be nearly helpless to prevent it in all truth we have no money to lobby congress
the real issue is kazaa is not makeing enuff money threw ads most folks have went to fastrack apps that don't use thair ad systom so thay get nothing
that sed kazaa finds this to be the only way thay can save thair now dieing bissness model it will fail no one that uses p2p has any kind of loyalty to kazaa
no one really has any need for kazaa so thay will die out just like the riaa will soon or later the fact is kazaa will die alote faster
and as for that stupid artical "Kazaa plan to end free music"
that will neaver happin it will just mean some other p2p will take up the slack
in all honsty a blanket lissons is the only way the riaa will suvrive to see the next decade and thay will fight that till thair deed
let the boycott move forward kazaa as i have sed many times is are enamy
i'm a pissed off pitbull with the taste of riaa blood i'll neaver go back to getting my kibbles and bits
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 5:58 PM
One more note about the KRIAA deal:
They will be charging for MP3's.
When I say I will pay $6 or less for an album or 40 cents per song, THAT MEANS CD QUALITY.
I WILL NOT pay for MP3 files.
When KRIAA begins charging for access to Kazaa, there is NO WAY IN HELL that I will pay a dime for low quality MP3's.
My price is for CD quality bitrates.
However, since Kazaa is of utmost nobility, I will assume that they won't be charging any kind of "low price" for low quality files. Otherwise what's the point?
40 cents for CD quality songs
$6 or less for CD quality albums.
Any kind of fee for downloading MP3's must be substantially lower. Closer to the tune of a nickel a song.
Too small of a charge you say? Not really. The artists would profit big time off of that, unless KRIAA steals 99% of it. |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 6:02 PM
critical, I'm sorry , if you're referring to the idea that I've been bouncing around here about a fee on isp bills, this is a separate issue from that of Kazaa and should probably be moved to the pot. I'm proposing that the RIAA agree to such a fee, in reality, there are no plans to do such a thing, the RIAA isn't interested in that. I see it as a way to end this whole debate and am just getting feedback on it. If you're talking about Kazaa, then forget everything I just said. :)
koemoe, never get tired of the kibbles and bits quote, that's just great!
Paul |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 6:11 PM
Hey, sherm, so how about the 50 cents a month question? Per song and per album is always a bad idea, point in case, some albums have songs that are under a minute in length, who would pay 40 cents for a song that's only 46 seconds long?
The residents put out an album called "the commercial album" which has 60 one minute songs, imagine if you wanted to buy 30 of those songs on itunes? that would be 30 bucks! No if you wanted to buy an album that had two 30 minute tracks on it it would be two bucks. How is that fair?
If the RIAA wants to end this thing, there should be some other flat fee system in place for p2p, a low cost for isp users to pop onto p2p networks and download/upload to their heart's content for a tiny monthly fee on their isp bill. If it were tacked on to everybody's bill it would create a pool of cash about 91 million dollars wide a month or over a billion a year. And would cost us annually less than a happy meal at mcdonalds.
What do you think of that?
Or have you been reading the above posts and are already tired of my repeating myself over and over, in which case I apologize and will send myself to my room.
Either way, have a great day!
Paul |
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mtekk
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 6:23 PM
KaZaA charging for free files, ha I'm glad i don't use the POS KaZaA |
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tasadar24
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 6:41 PM
In other news, Kazaa has died because nobody pays for a "free" service. |
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aharris227
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 6:55 PM
Wait-I'm confused...I thought Kazaa was suing RIAA. Now they're siding with them by wanting to charge fifty cents per download? If there's something I'm missing here, feel free to inform me! And personally, I hate pay-per-download fees! I would much rather pay a low, flat monthly fee that goes directly to the artist! |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 7:03 PM
bam! |
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kc8gpd
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 7:23 PM
Tell you what should happen. they should charge $20.00 a month, less with yearly contracts. They should offer unlimited downloads, unlimited burning, none of this per download/burning BS, and a offer a large library of songs like is available now from free services. They already surcharge media to burn music on. All and I mean ALL Royalties should go directly to the artists. They should also mirror this scheme for movies and software. We should also have a total rewrite of copyright law, go back to 14+14 scheme. let the artists hold the copyrights for their songs not the record companies. |
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indieWarriors
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 7:31 PM
So whats the deal with K++ or KLite?
Should we stop using those as well?
I dont think anyone really answered that question. |
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newjon
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 7:38 PM
K + + is K-Lite, and it's nothing to do with Kazaa - in fact, Kazaa would like to see it disappear into the sunset. |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 7:46 PM
kc8gpd you think 20 bucks instead of fifty cents a month? Yikes! That's a lot of money! If you want to see how much fifty cents for every isp user adds up to just scroll up and read the other posts (hint, it has nine zeroes).
I'll stick with fifty cents. Good thoughts on copyright law, though.
Paul |
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flibbertygibbet
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 7:46 PM
well i'll just keep bumming cd's and rippin em, got more music that way than i ever did on the net.. 10/4 flbgbt |
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maddawg15
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 8:12 PM
does this go for kazaalite too? i really doubt it, but since the riaa has alrdy corrupted 50% of the music on the kazaa networks anyway, theres no point in it anymore. |
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bulkeraser
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 8:18 PM
lol... the good stuff is in the back catalogs that aren't being released..I say the good stuff, unless someone likes the 50cent/New Boyz on the Block/Blissfully Spearz sing Christams Rap ALbum...
yuk... |
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bulkeraser
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 8:19 PM
oh, i forgot the West Borlingland/Limp Bisquick Flour Hour Thanksgiving Ode to Ford Trucks double album special CD |
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paulruss
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 8:41 PM
HA! |
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directive
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 9:16 PM
thanks GEORGE for the note, i will forever distribute it, hopefully someone will contact you about hearing it on kazaa.
Kazaa will fall if it tries to enforce payment on ALL music downloads, people will go elsewhere. I expect the music industry to reject the offer |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 9:22 PM
paulruss,
my reply is going to be short because i just woke up from a homework induced 2 hour nap.
The 50 cents a month is a great idea and people would do it, and KRIAA would profit. I don't think it would happen.
I would never pay 20 bucks a month.
You are right that a flat rate is a better idea. I'd love to see it as long as it's reasonable. Even up to $5 is reasonable I think. |
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Hazard369
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 9:47 PM
Lol. Everyones favorite price is free. Nobody who used Kazza to downlaod music for free is going to pay Kazaa to downlaod. Simple as that. |
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XxShadowxX
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 9:59 PM
As anyone unfortunate enough to download the newest version of kazaa (2.5) will tell you, kazaa has been going downhill for months...
I for one would not be sorry to see it go. Nikki Hemming stabbed the millions of kazaa in the backs months ago, when she publicly said she wanted kazaa to become "the premier application for the distribution of digital media", and wanted to legitimatize kazaa, such that it could be in that position.
As for the proposed fee model... From the sounds of things, kazaa is not going to be distributing the media - in which case this sounds like a p2p tax, which is essentially charging users to transfer files on THEIR OWN HARD DRIVES to other users.
Or am I mistaken? |
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punkrockfan
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 10:26 PM
this makes me mad. they should keep it like that. kazaa WILL go down if they charge. but then again maybe they should. i'd show other things like grokster what NOT to do. i use both kazaa and grokster and if kazaa charges im deleteing it and going to grokster. |
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mroop
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 10:56 PM
HEY PEOPLE!
Are you all brain dead?
Read P2P United's Mission Statement:
seeking fair methods of COMPENSATION for all copyright holders whose material is made commercially available by means of P2P technology;
That means THEY ALL WANT YOU TO PAY!
MEMBERS:
BEARSHARE
GROKSTER
LIMEWIRE
BLUBSTER
EDONKEY
MORPHEUS |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 11:13 PM
I personally have no problem with paying.
I have a problem with paying the RIAA
I *want* to pay the artist.
But KRIAA is a load of crap. I'm not paying kazaa/RIAA. Only the artist. Sorry guys. |
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lntora
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 11:15 PM
Ahem
If everyone was braindead, nobody would be at this site. We'd just blindly follow along with whatever Big Business sets out for us.
And I know this is going wildly off topic, but what is the deal with the increasing amount of insults and whatever you going on through the comments? (And I don't mean insults to the RIAA, those can stand).
The infighting seems to be getting worse. If we can't come to a meeting of the minds between ourselves, Big Business will win.
As far as Kazaa goes, I'm fairly certain that, unless the prices are reasonable and they can guarantee the song I think I'm downloading is the actual song I'll get, those "millions of users" will drop significantly.
Personally, I've never liked Kazaa, even before the RIAA lost their mind. |
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Fogcity
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 11:18 PM
I never went with kazaa because of the spyware issues...but with that in mind...what kinda of customer data base does Kazaa have? Do they have nicks with IP listings that would allow them to identify people??? |
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mroop
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 11:22 PM
Just trying to get your attention with the brain dead comment. No offense intended. :)
"I *want* to pay the artist"
I understand, but that is not up to you. The point is that all of the P2P's listed want you to pay. And you will not determine who gets paid. Payment will be the same as any other system - to the record label who will then disburse to the artist (or not). :)
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Justin42980
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 11:36 PM
Let me tell ya something folks, i downloaded kazaa about a half a year ago and immediately deleted it after i found out how much it sucked! So i turned to Imesh, that was my main source for downloads and it was better than kazaa. Finally, i came across kazaalite and it's a million times better than kazaa and marginally better than imesh. So, in closing i would just like to remind everyone here, and kazaa for that matter of the fact that kazaa and other p2p apps are only portals to networks that contain the mp3's we download. In my book kazaa died months ago because of all the spyware they loaded and because of how slow it was... Peace out kazaa, rest in pieces biotch... |
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50sKid
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Date: October 12, 2003 @ 11:41 PM
Hey, riaa. If you monitor this site (and you would be really foolish not to), get a good, solid grip around this scenario :
1. The riaa and its labels, along with the outdated distribution system and abusive contractual methods they represent, are dead and irrelevant. They need to go away now, and not prolong the suffering. Once that is done :
2. The copyrights on any songs that are over 28 years old should be immediately released into the public domain. The labels have already recovered their initial investments, made some profit, and then some. Happy Birthday to you….
3. The copyrights on any songs that are less than 28 years old should be reassigned to the original artists, or their heirs, along with exact duplicates of the masters. The original artists, or their heirs, should also get exact duplicates of the masters for out-of-copyright songs (to facilitate 4., below). The labels have already made enough money to cover the original recording and promotion of these newer songs.
3a. After these newer songs are 28 years old, they should also enter the public domain.
4. If the artists, or their heirs, want to use their duplicate masters to have their own retail-quality CD's produced (which costs about 99 cents each), and sell them at concerts and off of web sites, or by any other means (maybe even record stores !), so much the better. They will finally get a fair share of the profits.
5. Once I buy a CD, I have the right to share it with anyone I want to, just as I can loan a book to a friend. I know it’s a touchy area when a song is shared with millions of people, but consider :
5a. If a retail-quality CD, full of good music, with no one-hit-wonder fillers, non-originals, etc., is only around $ 5, I will probably just buy it, due to the greater sound and overall packaging quality. I would still want to sample-listen to the selections on the CD, before buying it, and the group could put MP3’s on their site, or even LICENSE THEIR OWN CD-RIPPED MP3’S TO RADIO STATIONS, OR EVEN P2P SITES. When singles were the preferred distribution method, we could [almost always] tell what we were getting at the record store, after hearing (sampling for free) a song on the radio.
How does all that feel, riaa ?
The Kid (a major music lover, and PURCHASER, from waaaay back)
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woodhead
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 12:12 AM
As the copyright owner, if I say an inferior digital copy of my music (aka mp3 files) is free for non-commercial use, anyone who attempts to resell it in any shape, manner, form without obtaining a license is violating my copyright.
I agree George, who is any one to tell ME how to charge for my tunes, or are going to charge for MY tunes, they belong to me and ifI want to give them away, abd offer free downloads on p2p it is my choice no one elses MINE damnit. |
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Damnitall
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 12:16 AM
To all you who are Kazaa is a sellout. Kazaa isn't selling out to the RIAA, they're selling out to the almighty dollar. That's right, it's the way of the world. You want Kazaa to be your bitch, find a way for them to make more money!
Damnitall |
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Feisar
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 12:30 AM
It's ok folks. This happened with Napster , now with Kazaa. But right now someone is writing the next 'Kazaa'. Give it a month or so until it comes out. Trust me, whatever it is, you will hear about it for at least another 2 years. And so on, and so on..... |
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RIAAposterchild
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 12:35 AM
For all those leaving KrapzaA, look over the following choices here...
http://www.slyck.com/rookie.php
and remember to read the fine print before installing & using any new software regardless of how much people rave about it... |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 1:10 AM
mroop,
I appreciate the feedback. I'm sure you are right. Unfortunately, I will not be buying music until the artist gets paid.
So if there's nothing I can do and the artist will never get paid, that is fine. I won't buy music.
As P2P technology continues to expand, the need for the RIAA (or the like) becomes increasingly unnecessary. The only reason artists need the RIAA is because of their existance in the first place.
I pay artists for music. Bottom line. Some corps. find this hard to understand. They don't get my money.
Adding to my list far up above:
9. The RIAA, a not-for-profit organization, is finally treated like one. Including a .org web address (& the taxes part too). |
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TheSherminator
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 1:12 AM
Damnitall,
We are aware that Kazaa has sold their soul. They sold it to the RIAA for money.
If kazaa wants a way to get money, they'll have to use their heads. Becuase what they are doing now.. GREAT way to NOT make money. die kazaa, die.. |
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woodhead
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 1:23 AM
Kazaa isn't selling out to the RIAA, they're selling out to the almighty dollar.
Exacttly and when this factor comes in, they become as bad and in my eyes even worse that the RIAA. When the internet becomes corporate controlled, I will no longer be here, for the freedom that we, I have here is what matters. I could care less about downloading RIAA music, I have become pro indie.And with this statement kazaa and the riaa can kiss my, well you know what. |
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kc8gpd
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 1:23 AM
Your right PaulRuss. I don't know how I missed that. That is a whole better Idea. |
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woodhead
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 1:30 AM
Hey, riaa. If you monitor this site (and you would be really foolish not to), get a good, solid grip around this scenario :
great post, and the right idea
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wet1
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 3:02 AM
I went to DC after hearing from some folks recommend it. It was nice to be able to get the full album, the covers, and have a decent speed to get them with. No spyware, no ads, just folks that are interested in what they do. |
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Seikatsu
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 3:55 AM
What I want for a pay4p2p
Thanks Sherminator
I want:
1. No less than 50%+ of my payment to go directly to the artist
2. The artist, songwriter, and the like to own his/her own copyrights
3. NO spyware, adware, et_al. PERIOD.
4. Access to a library TWICE as large and diverse as what is currently available on Kazaa.
5. Stop any and all prosecution of the consumer, now and don't even try it in the future.
6. ABSOLUTELY no more than 30 cents per song. As an album, I will pay any price $5.00 or less.
7. The creation of true & legit service will cancel the need for the DMCA or ACCOPS, and any and all future legislation that may be passed.
8. No ads, banner, ... whatever for any and all artists, software, "prizes", of any knid, shape, or form.
9. No DRM in any shape or form.
10. No logging of any personal information without user's explicit consent.
11. Said information will never be released to anyone except for the true police, equipped with a specific search warrant, to search said individual for a specified and relevant crime.
12. Indie music must be equally represented in any and all means necessary.
13. No "broken files", "loops", "Fake files" shall be allowed into the system.
Download Kazaalite, Imeshlite, and Earthstation5
earthstation5.com |
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SafeInCanada
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 4:48 AM
Screw kazaa and the riaa, download kazaa-lite, its the best out there, then switch to the next best as they are removed. Repeat these steps untill we are all dead and buried. Never give up.
P2P should only be seen in an advancement in technology. The option is here to listen to WHAT WE WANT, not bullshit filler music. Do not feel guilt, show support, see artists who put out quality live in concert. Purchase solid albums, teach the artists as well, that 15 albums in a career is not success, 5 albums stacked hit after hit, is! AND ITS ALL WE WILL ACCEPT FROM NOW ON, OR ELSE! |
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CelticGwen
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 7:04 AM
NOTICE TO KAZAA
***I am now boycotting you***
There is no way in hell I'm going to pay to use your service
1) Why would you even dream of charging per song? Half the songs I try to download are so lousy (quality) I have to dl them again.
2) Why would I use it when I can still download for free using other services? (Kazaa lite)
3) I won't use any service that give any amount of money to the RIAA. Period.
Like a lot of people here, I want the artist to get paid. I don't mind paying a REASONABLE price for music, as long as it goes to the person/band who actually created it. Maybe we should just find a way to send money to the artist directly! Imagine, sending a check to your favorite band, say only a dollar or so, with a note that says "just saying thanks for all you do". Just kidding. But seriously, ITS TIME TO CUT OUT ALL OF THE MIDDLEMEN!!!!!! |
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DeadMan2003
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 7:17 AM
For all those that are looking for an alternative to Kazaa checkout Ares. It's very much like Kazaa, it's also fast. Not many people on it yet but it will get bigger. No spyware (Just some crappy browser plugin which you can choose not to install when installing Ares).
Clean interface. It got 5 stars at Download.com
Try it!
BTW why would anyone pay for what is essentially radio quality music? I would also not want to put money into the pockets of corporate fatcats. Plus I bet you won't get anything other than copy protected DRM crap like WMA at 128k tops.
Screw em. I am never going to pay for music again, unless it's an independant label or going directly to the artist.
Oh an one other thing. What about all the other files being shared on Kazaa? It's not just music you know. Movies, Pr0n, Warez etc. What happens to that lot?
They cannot operate both. If they operate a legal service they cannot operate an illegal one alongside it. Just won't work. I can see Kazaa using the info on users to track them down for their RIAA buddies already.
Sellouts and turncoats the lot of them. |
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Svengali2
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 9:27 AM
sleeping with the devil |
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RyanS
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 9:45 AM
Boy I'm glad I still use WinMX :nod: |
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Svensta
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 9:48 AM
I think the latest numbers were that somewhere in the avenue of 10% of users on the Kazaa network rely on Kazaalite. I am POSITIVE that they will disable KLite when they relaunch the paid application. You can count on it.
I was wondering, do we really need to be championing new applications? Do people only use ONE application? I use KLite, WinMX and the Mule, and I have never had merely a single application for my music, going back to running Napster and Scour at the same time.
Kazaa built up its fan base from the Napster and Morpheus shutdown with very little advertising. I would think other p2p's (my money is now on MX to become the newest favorite, except for those damnable queues) would just boom now. I think we can rely on people to NOT line up to pay for things they can get free through an armada of applications readily available. Until the business model makes sense, I think most people will just shift to the NEXT application, and then onwards when THAT one shuts down.
By the way, have they FIXED Limewire yet? I hear lots of people talking about it, but from memory, it is one slow-ass, spywared POS. Was it redone finally? |
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rexholmes
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 11:01 AM
Dunno whether to LOL or scream.
After what the RIAA has done so far, you really want RIAA-puppet Sharman looking in your HD?
Anybody who pays for this is nuts, unless they are doing major work to ensure QA?QC work to make sure poor quality/partial encodes, lost connections, misidentified songs ETC ETC (ie all the things that have also bugged me about P2P networks.)
Final note from the conspiracy fringe: as many have already pointed "this is about control". You think the RIAA/control system won't be monitoring what "non-approved" files get shared & taking appropriate steps (appropriate steps is a whole 'nother rant)?
quote: "The whole effort here is to go where the consumers are, to convert all that energy to selling licensed music," said Marty Lafferty, president of the Distributed Computing Industry Association.
in other words - no way are you getting a free lunch from indie music, downloaders... |
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goldenpi
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 11:12 AM
In order to appease the RIAA, the fasttrack system would have to be modified ro prevent shareing of copyrighted, unauthorised music. At a minimum thats going to be a modification to the search and shareing subsystems to ignore files containing words on a blacklist of RIAA artists. They might have to block music altogether.
I dont know why Kazaa is so intrested in this going legit business. Theres a lot of money comeing from their current grey market product, and a p2p legal music system with major labels is out of the question until the industry gets past its luddite stage. |
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purfus
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 11:32 AM
"The idea is to phase in a billing mechanism for peer to peer networks, such as Kazaa and Morpheus, that allow users to copy music directly from each other's hard drives, she states, going on that initially, payments would be by credit card, but in the future downloads would be automatically detected and a charge added to the monthly internet service provider bill. "
I'm game, I don't pay for my internet access so there is no where to send a bill. |
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etcetra
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 12:35 PM
My question is whether they are doing this to sell out or not.. well do you remember that one episode of Simpsons.. where Homer starts a protest group against Mr Burns? I can already see record industry offering big money to buy Kazza...
Well, If they are doing this for the right reason.. then I'd be happy to pay money to support the bands I like.. if not. well, I'll find other p2ps that has not yet sold out. |
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RythmMethod
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Date: October 13, 2003 @ 9:11 PM
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE, PUT GROKSTER ON YOUR COMPUTER......I have spent the last 3 hours, debugging, spyware hunting and file by file deleting the shit that GROKSTER put on my computer when I tried to download it!!!!! Even System Restore could not get it all out. DONT USE IT!!!!!! |
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SafeInCanada
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Date: October 14, 2003 @ 2:00 AM
Fuckin riaa, u can all sleep on my couch if theyre after u. |
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axxis
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Date: October 14, 2003 @ 8:13 AM
After reading this article, I'll never use Kazaa. I'll stick with what I'm already using.
TO HELL WITH YOU KAZAA!!!!!!!!! |
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roliva
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Date: October 14, 2003 @ 9:18 AM
I don't understand this. It seems like this story may not be 100% accurate. First of all, Kazaa already charges for some of its files. The 'gold' files or something like that. So charging people would be nothing new to them. Also, if I have the file on my computer why don't *I* get compensated when someone downloads it? I'm providing the service, not Kazaa. Also, how could you be certain the file wasn't corrupt? I don't think this is right. Maybe I'm mistaken though. Any official word from kazaa? |
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