r0adrash
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Subject: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
OK ... I don't understand the big deal about Internet Radio. You are allowed to broadcast a radio station over the airwaves, however, that same radio station is not allowed to broadcast over the Internet. Notice that the local station in you area HAD a streaming broadcast, but it is no longer available.
A quote from a Philadelphi station after clicking on its "Listen Live" button:
"We are sorry that we have been forced to suspend our web streaming. This has happened because of recent legal maneuvering by the folks who license music to radio stations, and the unions that represent the performers who read the commercials on radio. In short, these two organizations are asking radio stations to pay additional, exorbitant fees to broadcast the music and commercials you hear on WMMR over the internet, even though we already pay both of these groups sizeable fees to broadcast this material over 93.3 FM.
Now that's a lengthy explanation for something that can be summed up in two words: IT SUCKS. WMMR was one of the first stations in America to stream on the web. We think we're the last to stop, and we hope to be the first station back up as soon as the disagreements between these licensing organization and radio broadcasters can be resolved.
Until then, we'd like to hear your comments, which I promise will be forwarded to the president of our company and the decision-makers involved in this dispute."
I had to wonder why, if anyone in the world with satellite or HAM can pick up these transmissions, can't we with the best info source on the planet.
Remember recording cassettes from your "BOOMBOX"? If it is an infringement to broadcast over the net then outlaw dual cassette and CDRW!!!
Just a thought. |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
The RIAA tried to outlaw dual casette decks. One of the any things they tried to outlaw, along with player pianos, wax cylinder recorders, record, radios, television and DAT.
They didn't try to outlaw CD burners, but they do get paid a small (but not small enough) fee from them. I think its $2 per recorder and a few cents from each of those audio-CDRs. |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
(Some of the earlier ones were actually attacked by the RIAA-equivilent of the time, but its still the industry attempting to ban new technology) |
Svensta
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
The problem here is that they are getting a lot better at it. And they have found that money opens doors in the US Govt. That alone is horrid news. |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Money opens doors everywhere. Thats what happens when you legalise bribary in the form of campaign contributions. There is no more under-the-table passing of wads of bills, just tonate a few hundred thousand to the senator of your choice and watch the laws pass. |
W-B
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Nor is it only what y'all described: but also the sharp drop-off in people voting over the course of the last four decades, the decline in participation in various civic duties, etc., and a replacement of these values with total apathy and indifference. All this dovetailed with the massive increase in the multinational corporations' buyoff amounts towards our political process. Which adds up to a Third World-ization of this once-great country. |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Oh, the RIAA also tried to ban MP3 players.
Yes, voteing isn't fashionable anymore. Or perhaps people just have a more realistic idea of the effect their individual vote will have and dont bother. |
IvanIv
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
"Or perhaps people just have a more realistic idea of the effect their individual vote will have and dont bother."
I dunno
American culture was built on democracy so I belive that the people know of the power that they have. The problem is that they wont use it unless they think it's necassery, and thay wont that it's necassery unless they get educated on the issue.
The other problem is that corporations also have their own interest in educating people, and they have all the money and power and control the media, so thay have on obvious tactical advantage.
What we do over the internet is not enough. Actually we don't get through anybody but ourselves.
Hmm...
That gave sort of an idea
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If we'd gang up, and raise some cash to make a pro p2p campaign over national TV... this could make quite a difference...
what do you think? |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Lots of cash, and the issue to soo complicated to explain in a 30-second ad. Lets try the banners first.
Remember the anti-p2p Disney cartoon scandal a while ago? Disney makes a cartoon series (The something family? The proud family? Something like that.). They made an issue with a very anti-p2p plotline. It wont like this.
1. Shadey character indrutuses main character to a p2p service.
2. Main characters gossipy friend tells the whole world.
3. The world downloads music.
4. Cut to artist (called sir paid-a-lot) complaining his millions of royalties (HAH!) have fallen to a few pence.
5. Police track down the main character and storm the house.
6. Main characters parents give a long biased lecture explaining how evil downloading is.
7. Show ends as main character tells the viewers "downloading is wrong".
How can we compete with an industry that specialises in manipulateing people? |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
The bad spelling is a temporary problem. My head hurts. My eyes hurt. Im about to fall off my chair. |
Mister-Smith
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Well funny cartoon but it atleast got across how P2P works and introduced it to alot of people, like the Dont try this at home, OF course you do 
its Pro P2P really, name a kid who wud see the overall picture and not just run to the comp when they see the first P2P advertising. |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
There is no way you can call that pro p2p. The objective is to elevate the propaganda to the level of universal truth. The sky is blue, things fall down, fire burns, downloading hurts artists.
You did better than the shows creator through. His excuse was that it was a love story! |
thumbtack
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Extending copyright, expanding copyright to the point that unregulated uses become criminal, hurts artists more. I've long been a proponent of licensing p2p netowrks at a reasonable rate. Most people don't want to be criminals, but entending copyright to the artists lifetime plaus 70 years (their childrens liftime) too doesn't
promote the creation of more work, it encourages the artist to sit on their ass and grow fat like Mike Stoller. He's made more money in the past several years suing people who have download some of his Elvis tunes, than he has from writing. |
Mister-Smith
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Oh well if it carries on like this we will all end up listening to stations like
http://www.scenemusic.net/
radio listening will go down and everyone will try and ban this tooo. |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Under the CARP ruleing does an independant webstation playing music with artists permission like scenemusic.net have to pay anything?
If yes, what if they droped music completly?
Hmm, too bad I dont have time or bandwidth to be a one-man station  |
furrball316
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
I see that WRIF (Detroit) is still up & running on the net. I wonder how long that's gonna last though...This whole internet radio thing really bites me, I used to live in Michigan, but now live in Massachusetts. Obviously the only way I can still listen to WRIF (which has always been my favorite station ANYWHERE) is on the net and we've got some greedy bastards trying to say I can't anymore? Screw them! |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Could traditional radio stations simply cut the music from their webcasts? No royalties that way. People could still listen for the other stuff. |
uerseya
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Yup we need more webcasts playing unsigned talent or talented artists who don't give a rat's arse if their music is broadcast for free or next to nothing ! |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Until the RIAA does its dirty business and that station suddenly finds its royalty fees trippleing for no apparent reason? |
websafari
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
A lot of us here in old Europe always have believed in the traditional way and values of American life.
If the RIAA now is an indicator of things to come, I would not be surprised if more and more people will be turning away from your beautiful country.
I am looking forward to find out when these independent US radio stations start streaming again via independent locations |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Europe is really just a delayed america. Give us five years and we will be at the stage america is at now. |
goldenpi
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
Europe is really just a delayed america. Give us five years and we will be at the stage america is at now. |
shoebox
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Subject: Re:
Date: November 30, 2003 @ 9:12 PM
RE: "Yup we need more webcasts playing unsigned talent or talented artists who don't give a rat's ars"
I run such a webcast http://sc.askmatador.com:8000/
I really wonder though if RIAA would ever come after stations like this also.... |
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